Altmann Tera Player - Page 84  

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Originally Posted by zenpunk 

Interesting point but the LO measurement just seems to highlight how poorly those two amps perform. I have seen measurements of the LO (loaded with high Z as you would expect when using an amp) of the Z and there were quite a bit better than the HO loaded with 16Ohms. 

They weren't loaded at 16 ohms. The high input Z amps connected to the 16 ohm were, probably to mimic what happens with the Sony on it's own. I suspect that if we saw the sony on it's own with load, it would fare worse. Problem here is that it looks like you might be better off hooking up the amp to it's earphone jack.

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Originally Posted by goodvibes 

That said, if I like the way something sounds, ummm, I probably like the way it sounds.

Don't get me wrong, I'm far from dogmatic in that regard. As you well know, I quite like my Final Audio IEMs, despite the fact that they measure atrociously.

I've found the Tera Player loaner to sound pretty bad with some of my IEMs, most notably the leaner and less bassy ones, but on the other hand it was the best pairing I've heard with both the IE800 and TOGO 334.

Here's an excerpt of my feedback to the TP's owner, after my auditions with the IE800 and 334: "...like with the LCD2s, I personally would want a smidgen more treble presence and air from the 334s to fit my taste, and while the Tera Player can't work wonders on their highs, it takes the bass down by just the right amount to tilt their overall sound signature towards a better balance in my book. So that's my interim result so far, one 'flawed' player and two IEMs that benefit greatly from said 'flaw' ;-) Things aren't always black and white, and your loaners are a prime example for that."

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Originally Posted by james444

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm far from dogmatic in that regard. As you well know, I quite like my Final Audio IEMs, despite the fact that they measure atrociously.

 

I've found the Tera Player loaner to sound pretty bad with some of my IEMs, most notably the leaner and less bassy ones, but on the other hand it was the best pairing I've heard with both the IE800 and TOGO 334.

 

Here's an excerpt of my feedback to the TP's owner, after my auditions with the IE800 and 334: "...like with the LCD2s, I personally would want a smidgen more treble presence and air from the 334s to fit my taste, and while the Tera Player can't work wonders on their highs, it takes the bass down by just the right amount to tilt their overall sound signature towards a better balance in my book. So that's my interim result so far, one 'flawed' player and two IEMs that benefit greatly from said 'flaw' ;-) Things aren't always black and white, and your loaners are a prime example for that."

You damned subjectavista. I think we're similar as it takes 2 sides to balance an equation.  The variance is in the weighting.

I happen to like the "bad analogy" it works quite well. We can't agree on it just like we can't agree on the actual issue at hand.

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Originally Posted by skamp 


Just like you can enjoy bad food, you can enjoy bad gear (hello, audiophiles! [*]). Still, most governments force the food industry to print objective "measurements" on the labels of everything they sell in supermarkets. Just like people have the right to be informed about what they eat, and to get the means to determine what is "good" food, people should be able to evaluate gear by objective means, without having to buy it.

Can we drop the bad analogy now?

[*] e.g. audiophiles not minding the hiss on the Studio V, even though hiss is both objectively and subjectively bad.

Wow,...such evasiveness,...so sad!!! I can't believe you guys, all the smoke screens & wordplay. 

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Originally Posted by tds101 

...all the smoke screens & wordplay. 

...all smoke screens & wordplay  foodplay.

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Originally Posted by burtomr 

 

...all smoke screens & wordplay  foodplay.

Lol!!! That too,...which really made no bloody sense. 

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Originally Posted by HiFlight 

Just a hypothetical question to those who might be considering the purchase of a Tera-Player:

Let's say that you did order one and discovered after listening to it for a period of time that it really did sound very good to your ears, maybe even better than other players that you may have owned or heard, and you felt quite pleased with your decision to own the Tera.

Shortly thereafter, someone posted measurements that were said to have been done on the Tera-Player, and that the results were rather disappointing in that they were not even as good as those posted for the inexpensive Clip.

Question....What would you do...sell your Tera-Player and purchase a Clip based on what you read or continue to enjoy what you heard???

This question is, of course, not limited to the Tera-Player, but is equally applicable to other audio devices. Just substitute whichever two you wish in place of "Tera-Player" and "Clip" in the above question!

Maybe the question isn't so hypothetical after all!

I'd keep the devices that sounds best to my ears. I could care less if the scientist disagrees. :P.

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Originally Posted by skamp 


As NwAvGuy would say, you design by ear! A lot can go wrong that way, because human ears are nowhere near as precise or reliable as electronic gear, and also because your hearing and / or your perception and tastes can be more or less different from your customers'.

Also, those measurements don't apply to the TP, and there's still no word about its output impedance. And while it would be nice if you published a complete set of measurements yourself, I would still like to see independent measurements.

I think we are talking about listening to music, enjoyable music, are we?

Like music instruments, they all designed by ears.  The selection of certain wood would sound different to the other for a violin or a cello.  How could one measurement to distinguish this compared to a pair of excellent ears.  

All tube amplifiers measured much worse that those solid state counterparts and still there are huge community of hi-fiers being loyal to tubes...for their musicality or measurement. You to observe.

Yes, we might argue that Charles do not have the perfect ears in the world but no one would argue that he is one passionate individual on music, and engineering.  So, buying his device would take the trust in him (his ears) and believe in this music instrument tuner's credibility.    

We can see from elsewhere in this forum on the AK-100 that there is an inherited output impedance deficiency.  The device still managed to gather some loyal fans and to have it modified by RWA and continue their joyful journey with music. Bad measurement, no problem, go for it, enjoy music is the ultimate goal.

Turn on your music device and have a wonderful moment.  Music makes you happy.

Cheers