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post #1201 of 1958

Got this link from a Tera-player owner from Holland.

 

This is an excellent video featuring Martin Mallison, CTO of ESS technology who make the Sabre DAC that is found in the ibasso DX100 and supposedly in the Hifi-man HM-901. 

 

Martin brilliantly describes the working principle of sigma-delta DACs and also the technical challenge to find their inherent distortion mechanisms through measurements. 

 

I hope you enjoy:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CkyrDIGzOE&feature=player_embedded

post #1202 of 1958

Links been posted before. Really intriguing though.

post #1203 of 1958
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Originally Posted by tds101 View Post

I've personally come to the conclusion that it's intentional. I've never seen any player take this long for a set of tests to be performed, unless the results were less than favorable and purposely not posted. Definitely something wrong here,... rolleyes.gif
can anyone tell me the headphone output impedance on any ALO amp?wink.gif

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post #1204 of 1958
Although this isn't meant to refer to the Tera-Player directly, one must keep in perspective that precious few earbuds or IEM's, or for that matter few full-sized cans, can accurately reproduce frequencies much below 45 hz without roll-off or worse, doubling, which gives the illusion of great bass response. After all, it takes a pretty good-sized, high-quality speaker to accurately reproduce the lowest octave of the audio spectrum. To expect this type of full-range performance from such tiny transducers is, to say the least, optimistic.

The AKG K1000, which has been for years one of the headphones held in high regard by audiophiles, has significant roll-off below 50 hz. This is often unnoticed due to the superb imaging and accuracy of the rest of the audio spectrum.

Phones with a mid-bass hump are often considered to be quite "bassy" whereas in actuality, they may exhibit significant bass roll-off.

Another factor to keep in mind when attempting to evaluate the synergy between source and phone is not just the manufacturers stated impedance (typically measured at 1Khz), but how the impedance varies with frequency. This will greatly affect not only bass response but performance at other points within the audio spectrum. B-A transducers typically have the greatest variation of impedance with frequency whereas the planars have essentially a flat resistive value regardless of frequency. Dynamic transducers typically have less variation of impedance due to varying frequency than do the B-A devices, but nowhere near the stability of the planars.
post #1205 of 1958
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Originally Posted by ExpatinJapan View Post


can anyone tell me the headphone output impedance on any ALO amp?wink.gif

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I can almost guarantee that if members here on Head-Fi requested an ALO amp be measured they'd do it within days, if not hours, of the initial request. They would do so to prove the excellent performance of the amp in question,...not waste time throwing out a useless deflective reference that has no bearing on the issue of the TP measurements. 

 

Or, is this an attempt at humor,...because the meaning is evasive. popcorn.gif

post #1206 of 1958
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Originally Posted by tds101 View Post

I can almost guarantee that if members here on Head-Fi requested an ALO amp be measured they'd do it within days, if not hours, of the initial request. They would do so to prove the excellent performance of the amp in question,...not waste time throwing out a useless deflective reference that has no bearing on the issue of the TP measurements. 

Or, is this an attempt at humor,...because the meaning is evasive. popcorn.gif
haha, yeah a bit of humor at all parties involved myself included for beating the headphone impedance drum too much. smily_headphones1.gif

Annnd a while ago i did email ALO about the output impedance of the National and the Continental with no satisfactory reply. I was/am surprised that such a simple bit of information is not seen anywhere especially with them being touted as great for IEMs and portability.
So i guess my comment was a juxapose that as we are all wanting to test the teraplayer there seems to a drought as to the testing of one of the most popular brands on headfi,ALO products.

I am just as excited as anyone waiting for the teraplayer measurements, just filling in time until then. Sorry for the spam.
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Edited by ExpatinJapan - 2/2/13 at 5:23pm
post #1207 of 1958

I'm quite curious about that as well as I haven't been able to find any test results on the amps myself ;). You'd figure since it is such a popular amp they'd at least provide that information :P.
 

post #1208 of 1958

I just luv how so many gladly tested the AK100, and accepted it's pluses & minuses. But this player,...they totally REFUSE to do the testing. Is it that bad, considering it's said to sound so good?!?!?! I'm sure SOMEONE is willing to pull the trigger,...

post #1209 of 1958
I was a non believer too, was skeptical about the tera player, been trying to find a better DAP that has less compromises than the TP.... But to no avail.... I prefer tera the most for SQ alone... Well, I've ordered studio 3rd anniversary and it is coming this week. I really really hope it will better the tera's SQ... fingers crossed! tongue.gif
Edited by ace8888 - 2/2/13 at 8:08pm
post #1210 of 1958

I have tried the tera player, while the player do sound nice,it is a full on spartan player. Its not for me, tried and compared it with a modded ak100, if i can choose i will choose the ak100

post #1211 of 1958

People have been trying to do it, just to no avail. Sorry

Quote:
Originally Posted by tds101 View Post

I just luv how so many gladly tested the AK100, and accepted it's pluses & minuses. But this player,...they totally REFUSE to do the testing. Is it that bad, considering it's said to sound so good?!?!?! I'm sure SOMEONE is willing to pull the trigger,...

post #1212 of 1958
Quote:
Originally Posted by HiFlight View Post

Although this isn't meant to refer to the Tera-Player directly, one must keep in perspective that precious few earbuds or IEM's, or for that matter few full-sized cans, can accurately reproduce frequencies much below 45 hz without roll-off or worse, doubling, which gives the illusion of great bass response. After all, it takes a pretty good-sized, high-quality speaker to accurately reproduce the lowest octave of the audio spectrum. To expect this type of full-range performance from such tiny transducers is, to say the least, optimistic.

The AKG K1000, which has been for years one of the headphones held in high regard by audiophiles, has significant roll-off below 50 hz. This is often unnoticed due to the superb imaging and accuracy of the rest of the audio spectrum.

Phones with a mid-bass hump are often considered to be quite "bassy" whereas in actuality, they may exhibit significant bass roll-off.

 

This may possibly be true for full-sized phones (I have little experience with these), but not so much for IEMs. If you take the time to browse Tyll's and Rin's IEM graphs, you'll see that a lot of IEMs reach 20Hz without significant roll-off or excessive mid-bass humps.

post #1213 of 1958
Quote:
Originally Posted by ace8888 View Post

I was a non believer too, was skeptical about the tera player, been trying to find a better DAP that has less compromises than the TP.... But to no avail.... I prefer tera the most for SQ alone... Well, I've ordered studio 3rd anniversary and it is coming this week. I really really hope it will better the tera's SQ... fingers crossed! tongue.gif


I look foward to that comparison as well. The Studio V 3rd ANV is more of a picky DAP in terms of what it pairs well with. But oh boy when you find that pairing (1Plus2 I'm talking about you!) lol.

post #1214 of 1958

No worries my friend. I'm curious because it's a player that I'm interested in BECAUSE it's great at shuffling. The excellent sq is what I'm wanting verification of.

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Originally Posted by kenman345 View Post

People have been trying to do it, just to no avail. Sorry


Edited by tds101 - 2/3/13 at 6:53am
post #1215 of 1958
Geez, it's not that hard.

RMAA:
  • generate "Test Signal" WAV file
  • calibrate volume and gain by playing a sine wave at 0 dBFS
  • play "Test Signal" WAV file and record the output
  • load the recording in RMAA
  • repeat as above, but with headphones attached via a splitter cable

Output impedance:
  • play and record a 1 kHz sine wave at 0 dBFS, note the RMS value (RMS1) of the recording ('sox file.wav -n stat -rms' => "Scaled by rms:")
  • same as above, but with headphones of a known impedance attached via a splitter cable, note the RMS value (RMS2) of the recording
  • output impedance = (headphone impedance * (RMS1 - RMS2)) / RMS2
  • adjust for the input impedance of the recording device: output impedance = 1 / (1 / output impedance - 1 / input impedance)

Edited by skamp - 2/3/13 at 7:08am
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