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post #16 of 173

The K501 and K400 have been discontinued, and I get the sense you misunderstood at least part of my post - I actually did find Innocent Girl to be a nice sample, with the right cans; provided a link for the K1000s to aid in finding them. 

post #17 of 173

Wow. Just wow. Such a massive and very valuable input, even if I'm not the OP though. This really puts into perspective that I really can't have all the songs I like (too broad to my chagrin) only in one headphone. Well, I already know that ever since getting into this hobby, but this just solidifies it for me. This also makes it easier for me what to look out for when buying my "anime headphones". Drats, my wallet is taking the real beating now. 

 

Sorry to semi-hijack your thread Hybrid. :P


Edited by jgray91 - 3/6/12 at 4:42am
post #18 of 173

Heck yeah i was skimping :) im on mobile. Ill let these bigger jpop lovers take over

post #19 of 173

Just wondering, but are there any headphones in the <$100 that are suitable for busy j-category music? I've been looking through some threads and there's absolutely no mention of how j-pop or j-rock would sound like through the cheaper headphones. I'm also very aversive to v-shaped sound signatures.

post #20 of 173

 

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My focus is really on the vocals but I will consider those.

 

I think that rules out the HD600 if these can do just as well as them but with more bass.

 

Advice heeded. Like I said earlier, I'll be using a pair of IEMs whenever I'm out of my house.

 

Did they do something to the limited edition besides for adding more silver? I was just a bit curious when I saw them on the website.


If your focus is on vocal, then the HD600 would actually fare better than DT990 because its upper and lower frequency won't dominate that much, giving more leeway for the vocals to shine. Both are very revealing of the music in any case, and although I haven't had the chance to audit them for your specific samples (I may have a chance to try with the DT990 when it arrives), I would imagine they should fare really well, since I listen to similar songs from Owl City.

 

As for the whole M50 deal, the reason I don't recommend it is because the Limited Edition that I got has a very different sonic performance compared to my dad's regular pair. It's much better suited for vocals and analytical listening to my ears. However, many members here have mentioned that their LE pair doesn't sound any different compared to their regular pair, so I really have no idea what the deal is with them.

 

To put things in perspective, I'm listening to Returnee with both pairs now, the regular and the Limited Edition. The Limited Edition makes Miku sound like she's standing in the middle of a medium sized room slightly a bit to the left, the drums behind her, slightly to the right, two pianos on both sides, one violin behind me, directly to the right. The drums have a good and quick kick thump that is slightly audible, but it is less prominent during busier parts of the song. The piano sound, cymbals, and Miku's vocals are more forward and dominant. Cymbals ring out nicely and don't obscure Miku's voice.

 

The regular? Miku is further back in the background, and she sounds a bit less convincing. The kick drum, while I can tell they are at the same volume, overpowers her voice, and toward the busier parts, her vocal is pushed further back by the cymbals ringing out incessantly. It's a very typical V-shaped response. Though it gave me a better idea of how larger the room is, I have a harder time trying to pinpoint exactly where Miku is. She's just too far back. And it seems to cut off higher frequencies more often, so cymbals sound less natural. It's like you are trying to play back cymbal samples that weren't recorded all the way until they stopped ringing.


Edited by Bill-P - 3/6/12 at 7:03am
post #21 of 173
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post

The K501 and K400 have been discontinued, and I get the sense you misunderstood at least part of my post - I actually did find Innocent Girl to be a nice sample, with the right cans; provided a link for the K1000s to aid in finding them. 



It's a great song. Love U-Ske's works.



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Originally Posted by jgray91 View Post

Wow. Just wow. Such a massive and very valuable input, even if I'm not the OP though. This really puts into perspective that I really can't have all the songs I like (too broad to my chagrin) only in one headphone. Well, I already know that ever since getting into this hobby, but this just solidifies it for me. This also makes it easier for me what to look out for when buying my "anime headphones". Drats, my wallet is taking the real beating now. 

 

Sorry to semi-hijack your thread Hybrid. :P



That's fine. As long as this one doesn't derail like the previous thread.



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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

Heck yeah i was skimping :) im on mobile. Ill let these bigger jpop lovers take over



I thought so.



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Originally Posted by Bill-P View Post

 


If your focus is on vocal, then the HD600 would actually fare better than DT990 because its upper and lower frequency won't dominate that much, giving more leeway for the vocals to shine. Both are very revealing of the music in any case, and although I haven't had the chance to audit them for your specific samples (I may have a chance to try with the DT990 when it arrives), I would imagine they should fare really well, since I listen to similar songs from Owl City.

 

As for the whole M50 deal, the reason I don't recommend it is because the Limited Edition that I got has a very different sonic performance compared to my dad's regular pair. It's much better suited for vocals and analytical listening to my ears. However, many members here have mentioned that their LE pair doesn't sound any different compared to their regular pair, so I really have no idea what the deal is with them.

 

To put things in perspective, I'm listening to Returnee with both pairs now, the regular and the Limited Edition. The Limited Edition makes Miku sound like she's standing in the middle of a medium sized room slightly a bit to the left, the drums behind her, slightly to the right, two pianos on both sides, one violin behind me, directly to the right. The drums have a good and quick kick thump that is slightly audible, but it is less prominent during busier parts of the song. The piano sound, cymbals, and Miku's vocals are more forward and dominant. Cymbals ring out nicely and don't obscure Miku's voice.

 

The regular? Miku is further back in the background, and she sounds a bit less convincing. The kick drum, while I can tell they are at the same volume, overpowers her voice, and toward the busier parts, her vocal is pushed further back by the cymbals ringing out incessantly. It's a very typical V-shaped response. Though it gave me a better idea of how larger the room is, I have a harder time trying to pinpoint exactly where Miku is. She's just too far back. And it seems to cut off higher frequencies more often, so cymbals sound less natural. It's like you are trying to play back cymbal samples that weren't recorded all the way until they stopped ringing.



Okay.

 

Well that's rather odd.

 

From the sound of this, I hope I land a pair like yours if I get them.

 

So no M50 standard.

 

Lowering the budget to $300-$350.

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post #23 of 173

After thinking this over a bit more, why not try the ATH-A900? The K1000, which are some sort of Franken-Technica (best guess I've read yet is some sort of mating between the D1000 and W1000 (as in Sovereign)) absolutely hit this genre on the head and get everything "right" - they measure somewhat similarly to the A950 (which isn't available anymore), and basically the A900 should make a "junior" version of them. I would absolutely not bother with any of the v-curve models you've looked at (Beyer, Denon). If you want an open can, there's the AD900 and AD1000; both in your price range. 

 

Honestly nobody is going to have a hole-in-one answer for you; I can tell you that from the links you provided, the K1000 did it best, but you'll have to be the judge of "best" based on what you believe the music sounds like. There's a degree of expectation. My guess is that the A900 would probably be a good compromise here; they're under budget, and should probably get you close enough to what you want. There's nothing higher-up from AT that you can afford (and I'm not so sure more expensive would even gain you anything; maybe the A1000X would be a good choice, but I've read very few impressions and at $500 I'm somewhat hesitant to try them myself), except for the K1000 and AD1000, and most of what you've looked at is closed-back; hence the nod for the ART monitor. 

 

 

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post #24 of 173

I am searching for a closed portable headphone that will work best with Japanese music. It will played straight out from my cowon j3 without an amp. I listen to a wide variety of Japanese music -   70-90's music, JPOP, JROCK, r'n'b, hip hop etc.

 

Vocals and soundstage is the most important factor for me, not much of a basshead.

 

Any suggestions will be appreciated.   

post #25 of 173
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post

After thinking this over a bit more, why not try the ATH-A900? The K1000, which are some sort of Franken-Technica (best guess I've read yet is some sort of mating between the D1000 and W1000 (as in Sovereign)) absolutely hit this genre on the head and get everything "right" - they measure somewhat similarly to the A950 (which isn't available anymore), and basically the A900 should make a "junior" version of them. I would absolutely not bother with any of the v-curve models you've looked at (Beyer, Denon). If you want an open can, there's the AD900 and AD1000; both in your price range. 

 

Honestly nobody is going to have a hole-in-one answer for you; I can tell you that from the links you provided, the K1000 did it best, but you'll have to be the judge of "best" based on what you believe the music sounds like. There's a degree of expectation. My guess is that the A900 would probably be a good compromise here; they're under budget, and should probably get you close enough to what you want. There's nothing higher-up from AT that you can afford (and I'm not so sure more expensive would even gain you anything; maybe the A1000X would be a good choice, but I've read very few impressions and at $500 I'm somewhat hesitant to try them myself), except for the K1000 and AD1000, and most of what you've looked at is closed-back; hence the nod for the ART monitor. 

 

 



 



I'll probably end up with the newer X model instead (ATH-A900x). I don't think there's going to be any differences but I do like the black. :) The K1000's aren't available anymore from what I've seen. They're rather old. I will look at the AD900 and AD1000 (isn't the AD1000 about to be discontinued?).

 

I didn't think so. The entire J-category genre is rather difficult to cover. The W1000X (I'm pretty sure it isn't the A1000X) is way above my budget.

 

Closed back. Okay. So here are the current headphones.

 

  • DT880 (all impedance models)
  • K550
  • Q701
  • AH-D2000
  • ATH-M50s (good inexpensive alternative)
  • SRH840
  • ATH-A900x
  • think I forgot some...
post #26 of 173

There are some that those who have the new A900x said that they are somewhat not up to par with the A900. My only  gripe with them is that they are significantly more expensive than the AD900, locally. Haaa, first world dilemma. :P

post #27 of 173
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There are some that those who have the new A900x said that they are somewhat not up to par with the A900. My only  gripe with them is that they are significantly more expensive than the AD900, locally. Haaa, first world dilemma. :P



I remember they're $50 apart (with the x model more expensive).

 

So...

post #28 of 173

I mean between the A900 and AD900, the latter being the cheaper one. I can only blame communism (joking).

post #29 of 173
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I mean between the A900 and AD900, the latter being the cheaper one. I can only blame communism (joking).



Oh. But we can all still blame communism.

 

I never knew it was so hard to find headphones. I keep on reading the posts but I still can't seem to get an idea on what headphones would be great.

post #30 of 173

Best bet is you just pick whatever your heart said the most and just stick with it. Or roll a dice.

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