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Has anyone tried using the iPhone 4 with the UM Miracle but without an amp? I'm wondering how they sound straight from an iPhone, as I don't like carrying around amps and would prefer to not have to carry one around. From my understanding, an iPhone would be able to drive them well, but in all honesty, at the ~£500 mark I'm not just going for loudness. Sound quality is clearly a concern. I'll probably be listening to 256kbps AAC or 320kbps AAC on the go.  

 

Any information is appreciated, thanks in advance.

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I have the UM Miracles, an iPhone 4 and an HiFiMAN HM-801. Using ALAC on the iPhone sounds pretty good (although not as good as FLAC on the HM-801), and AAC is acceptable, although the Miracles have the potential to offer much better.

 

Do consider getting a portable player with better internal components, and with enough memory to allow lossless files. It's worth it when you have amazing IEMs like the Miracles. If you have the budget, the HM-801 pairs very well with them, and it has an internal amplifier module, so no need for another amplifier. You can even upgrade it to the GAME module sold on Head-Direct, which is intended for high-efficiency, low impedance headphones/earphones, such as the Miracle.


Edited by Benjamin6264 - 3/3/12 at 3:31pm
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I have the UM Miracles, an iPhone 4 and an HiFiMAN HM-801. Using ALAC on the iPhone sounds pretty good (although not as good as FLAC on the HM-801), and AAC is acceptable, although the Miracles have the potential to offer much better.

 

Do consider getting a portable player with better internal components, and with enough memory to allow lossless files. It's worth it when you have amazing IEMs like the Miracles. If you have the budget, the HM-801 pairs very well with them, and it has an internal amplifier module, so no need for another amplifier. You can even upgrade it to the GAME module sold on Head-Direct, which is intended for high-efficiency, low impedance headphones/earphones, such as the Miracle.



Good point about getting a good DAP, although the 801 is quite big, not to mention that Hifiman's coming out with a new player in the same segment. I have the Miracles myself and use a higher end source while at home. But I've always felt that I don't pay as much attention to sound detail when I'm on the go. There's a lot more happening around you to pay exclusive attention to your ears. These days, I just find myself reaching for my universals for a quick listen on the bus/train/while walking. Even when I use the miracles, the output on my ipod is good with a nice player app. I can't use my phone for the purpose as its output isn't strong enough (its a HTC Evo 3d). I've never listened to the output on an iphone, but it can't be much worse than the output on an ipod, I'd assume. Also, unless you carry a backpack, it's a hassle to carry amps/extra DAPs with you on the go.

 

I mean the iPhone is a phone based on the iPod, or was it the other way around? I forget ksc75smile.gif.

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Good point about getting a good DAP, although the 801 is quite big, not to mention that Hifiman's coming out with a new player in the same segment. I have the Miracles myself and use a higher end source while at home. But I've always felt that I don't pay as much attention to sound detail when I'm on the go. There's a lot more happening around you to pay exclusive attention to your ears. These days, I just find myself reaching for my universals for a quick listen on the bus/train/while walking. Even when I use the miracles, the output on my ipod is good with a nice player app. I can't use my phone for the purpose as its output isn't strong enough (its a HTC Evo 3d). I've never listened to the output on an iphone, but it can't be much worse than the output on an ipod, I'd assume. Also, unless you carry a backpack, it's a hassle to carry amps/extra DAPs with you on the go.

 

I mean the iPhone is a phone based on the iPod, or was it the other way around? I forget ksc75smile.gif.

 

 

I agree, amps and extra DAPs are too much of a hassle, they just reduce the whole portability factor, which is my reason for IEMs in the first place. 

 

So do you not prefer using your miracles as opposed to universals? I don't understand why you wouldn't use your miracles, surely they're better than any universal you have? Or is the extra quality negligible?

 

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I agree, amps and extra DAPs are too much of a hassle, they just reduce the whole portability factor, which is my reason for IEMs in the first place. 

 

So do you not prefer using your miracles as opposed to universals? I don't understand why you wouldn't use your miracles, surely they're better than any universal you have? Or is the extra quality negligible?



No, the Miracles are still one of the best I've ever heard.  It's just that they are bigger in size and I can't wrap them around my DAP/phone as easily. Also, they are more expensive than my universals and I'd prefer to baby them. But, for walking around, I'd rather have a pair of earphones that are lighter, replaceable, and ones that ones that don't really draw attention. I tend to use my other senses (sight/smell) while walking around in NYC/any other city/my college, so I don't really notice the change in sound quality THAT MUCH. Personally, I've go around town trying to see if I can do without an amp while traveling, and if I can, I would. Phones, such as the iPhone are a lot more convenient than carrying around a separate dap and a protector for IEMs.

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FWIW, I use my Miracles everywhere I go - otherwise I would've just bought a pair of LCD2s... To me, the whole point of having CIEMs is to be able to have true audiophile sound everywhere I wish to listen to music.

My J3 has shown itself to not be up to the task of properly driving my Miracles, but I'm not going to let that get in the way of using them portably.
I've ordered a DX100 for that very purpose, but if I couldn't have a DX100, I'd simply have got a Pico slim (or cheaper alternative) to help my J3 drive the Miracles. Absolutely no way I'm going to just use the Miracles at home and use universals instead while I'm out and about!
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Incidentally, for anyone reading/contributing to this thread, it began because of the discussion in another recent thread:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/599040/best-audiologist-for-ear-impressions-in-manchester-uk#post_8195556
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FWIW, I use my Miracles everywhere I go - otherwise I would've just bought a pair of LCD2s... To me, the whole point of having CIEMs is to be able to have true audiophile sound everywhere I wish to listen to music.
My J3 has shown itself to not be up to the task of properly driving my Miracles, but I'm not going to let that get in the way of using them portably.
I've ordered a DX100 for that very purpose, but if I couldn't have a DX100, I'd simply have got a Pico slim (or cheaper alternative) to help my J3 drive the Miracles. Absolutely no way I'm going to just use the Miracles at home and use universals instead while I'm out and about!


I completely agree, full size headphones probably kill the Miracle in terms of SQ, so buying the miracle and only using them at home seems wasteful to me. Although I guess it does make sense if you like that inside-your-head sound. 

 

I bet the Miracles will sound gorgeous through the DX100. But personally I want to keep my iPhone as I like all the features (internet, apps, phone etc), maybe one day I'll get curious and spring for an amp, but so far it seems like the iPhone can drive the Miracles well (correct if I'm wrong) and although I'd be better off with a dedicated player, the iPhone still provides auditory bliss (correct me if I'm wrong).

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I completely agree, full size headphones probably kill the Miracle in terms of SQ, so buying the miracle and only using them at home seems wasteful to me. Although I guess it does make sense if you like that inside-your-head sound. 

 

I bet the Miracles will sound gorgeous through the DX100. But personally I want to keep my iPhone as I like all the features (internet, apps, phone etc), maybe one day I'll get curious and spring for an amp, but so far it seems like the iPhone can drive the Miracles well (correct if I'm wrong) and although I'd be better off with a dedicated player, the iPhone still provides auditory bliss (correct me if I'm wrong).


I appreciate my Miracles more than I appreciated my LCD-2's. To me, the two, although they each have their strong points, have equivalent overall SQ, and the Miracle's tonal balance suits my tastes better. The Miracles are on a different level than regular high-end IEM's.

 


Edited by Benjamin6264 - 3/4/12 at 3:35pm
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I appreciate my Miracles more than I appreciated my LCD-2's. To me, the two, although they each have their strong points, have equivalent overall SQ, and the Miracle's tonal balance suits my tastes better. The Miracles are on a different level than regular high-end IEM's.

 



That's quite unexpected, I assumed that the would be Miracles restricted by their size, giving serious ground to something like the LCD2. Would you say that the Miracles are worth buying to run solely through an iPhone, or would I really have to invest in the HiFiMAN HM-801 inorder to get sound quality near to what you experience? Do songs with a bitrate of 320kbps really shine with the Miracles as opposed to other IEMs, or would I be better off with something else? 

Thanks for all your help.
 
 
 
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Put simply, the Miracles will be great with iPhone/320kbps. However, they will be amazing with HiFiMAN HM-801/FLAC.

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i have alot of DAPs and i also got a pair of miracles ... and my personal advice would be, stay with your iphone

 

the difference is so small that its not even worth mentioning and also not worth the money.

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$799? Damn it they weren't kidding about the 'sorry about your wallet' bit. I guess that's that then, now I just need to work out whether good is worth ~£500.

 

Edit: Sorry, didn't see Samehada's post. Do you think the sound is great from an iPhone or just good?


Edited by Dahaka - 3/5/12 at 11:40am
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$799? Damn it they weren't kidding about the 'sorry about your wallet' bit. I guess that's that then, now I just need to work out whether good is worth ~£500.

 

Edit: Sorry, didn't see Samehada's post. Do you think the sound is great from an iPhone or just good?



already wrote about it in another thread... and like i said the difference is really small between daps my sansa clip makes the lowend feel like iam on a subwoofer with a really long decay while my HM602 got a short decay on the bass ... the mids and treble are crisp and clear and sound equally good

 

But the soundstage doesnt change nor the clarity or the soundquality itself ... i think there is alot of placebo/overemphasis going on or my ears must be wooden.

Then again lets just look at it from a scientific point of view... we got a DAC that is makin out of the digital source signal a analoge signal ... i do understand and already noticed that alot of DACs sound different but def. not by a huge margin (i mean if you buy a DAC chip alone they all cost like 1 euro up to 5 euro)... so after the dac the amp is placed in the chain , for example how can a device that is not altering the signal with more informations or something, change the signal out of the dac and increase the soundstage and god knows what ppl else write here.

 

So imho yes the iphone4 is probably good enough (i just got a older 2g touch with a wolfson dac and as far as i know the current generations of i devices is using cirrus logics DACs) yet i never actually listened to a iphone. If you can audition DAPs and test around and see if you like the changes or not do so(for me not a single dap that i have sounds wrong or worse than another) but i for one will never ever waste money on Source Components again.


Edited by Samehada - 3/5/12 at 12:04pm
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The differences between iPhone and HM-801 are quite obvious to me. The clarity, imaging and soundstage are improved enough to justify purchasing one if your budget allows it. I didn't get to listen to the other DAPs made by HiFiMAN, but the reviews that I read weren't very positive, which might explain why you didn't see a great difference between the HM602 and the iPhone.


Edited by Benjamin6264 - 3/5/12 at 12:10pm
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