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post #616 of 1217
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Originally Posted by kilspeed111 View Post

People around here even fake invoices, I'm not kidding.
Or they buy a real pair, and a fake pair, then sell the fake pair for a pretty penny along with the real invoice. I've seen it happen way too much already.
wow... That's ridiculous. Is the only safe way to buy them from best buy? There must be as many, if not more fakes than the real things... At least there isn't as many in the audiophile world! Imagine... A fake stax sr-009 being sold for 5k$!
post #617 of 1217
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Originally Posted by DisCHORDDubstep View Post

Interesting... But I need them made of the exact same materials as the real thing... Are they? I can't see it. Won't load on mobile. frown.gif

They look legit on the pictures.. Or well, some of them.

Some got the logo, and some don't.

Here was a seller on that site that had quite good quality fakes, but I can't seem to find him anymore.

post #618 of 1217
Clearly beats don't give a toss about fakes - the below video is by a guy who initially looks to be doing a unboxing if genuine Detox, but they are actually fakes or as guy mentions fleetingly "replica's" which is just a more polite name for counterfeit's.

This guy imports his fake beats from probably China and openly sells them - in his comments section he tells interested buyers to email him for a price list!

Neither YouTube nor beats seem bothered otherwise counterfeit beats sellers wouldn't be so brazened to flaunt their merchandise .

Hey, if nobody cares, why not take a piece of the action?

Maybe if Apple take beats ownership, things might change?


I called the guy who made this video a crook and he emailed me with his water proof defence that "he isn't the manufacturer".

Well neither is the fake factory knocking them out, they aren't authorised to copy or use the beats logo, but they do anyway, as beats don't seem to be bothered?
post #619 of 1217

Not caring about fakes is a pretty standard practice any time a business gets big enough. When you're a smaller company with a niche market (Stax, to use the above example) it's not hard to pinpoint counterfeits and squash them. You get up to the level of companies like Beats, Microsoft, Ray-Ban, Rolex and trying to combat it is like trying to tell the tide to recede. There's too many in too many markets with too much work put into fooling people.

 

The basic theory is people aren't really "fooled" in any great numbers by the fakes. If someone is hunting down really cheap versions of high-end products, they know (or at the very least heavily suspect) that it's not genuine but want people to think it's the real deal. Beats, like Oakley and Adobe, isn't losing customers over it; people who buy the knockoffs weren't gonna be customers to begin with just like those idiots with foakleys were never gonna drop $200 on sunglasses.

post #620 of 1217
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Originally Posted by DisCHORDDubstep View Post


wow... That's ridiculous. Is the only safe way to buy them from best buy? There must be as many, if not more fakes than the real things... At least there isn't as many in the audiophile world! Imagine... A fake stax sr-009 being sold for 5k$!

Yeah, and that's the problem with the detox.

It's a very limited edition, and they don't sell it anymore in shops like Best buy. My Detox is from somewhere in 2012, and was one of the latest being sold as far as I am aware. So you HAVE to buy a detox secondhanded. And well, if you see a headphone for 100 euro's, and one for 350, of course you'll look at the 100 one first!

These sellers look very trustable, but of course they aren't.

post #621 of 1217
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Originally Posted by kilspeed111 View Post
 

Yeah, and that's the problem with the detox.

It's a very limited edition, and they don't sell it anymore in shops like Best buy. My Detox is from somewhere in 2012, and was one of the latest being sold as far as I am aware. So you HAVE to buy a detox secondhanded. And well, if you see a headphone for 100 euro's, and one for 350, of course you'll look at the 100 one first!

These sellers look very trustable, but of course they aren't.

 

And if you think you're getting a genuine one for $100 then, well, you deserve what you end up with. ;)

post #622 of 1217
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Originally Posted by kilspeed111 View Post
 

People around here even fake invoices, I'm not kidding.

Or they buy a real pair, and a fake pair, then sell the fake pair for a pretty penny along with the real invoice. I've seen it happen way too much already.

That's pretty grim outlook for second hand genuine beats market - looks like many are taking advantage of the ease to con a quick buck out of some unsuspecting buyer - and using an original invoice to make fakes appear genuine is a low blow for sure.

post #623 of 1217
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

 

And if you think you're getting a genuine one for $100 then, well, you deserve what you end up with. ;)

That's exactly the way I'm thinking.

Too bad everyone till now that's interested doesn't think like that.

Most don't even care if they are fake, that they break within 30 days, and that the quality is even worse than the real deal. They look like beats after all, and that makes them cool, then they have this thing called 'swag' that I never understood, they just yell YOLO and other slangs. Well yeah You Only Live Once, so why not get some good quality?!

post #624 of 1217
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Originally Posted by cb3723 View Post
 

That's pretty grim outlook for second hand genuine beats market - looks like many are taking advantage of the ease to con a quick buck out of some unsuspecting buyer - and using an original invoice to make fakes appear genuine is a low blow for sure.

Exactly, and they're making quite a nice amount of money from it. I'm not exactly sure how rare the detox is, but I'm sure here are more fakes than real ones.

post #625 of 1217
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

Not caring about fakes is a pretty standard practice any time a business gets big enough. When you're a smaller company with a niche market (Stax, to use the above example) it's not hard to pinpoint counterfeits and squash them. You get up to the level of companies like Beats, Microsoft, Ray-Ban, Rolex and trying to combat it is like trying to tell the tide to recede. There's too many in too many markets with too much work put into fooling people.

 

The basic theory is people aren't really "fooled" in any great numbers by the fakes. If someone is hunting down really cheap versions of high-end products, they know (or at the very least heavily suspect) that it's not genuine but want people to think it's the real deal. Beats, like Oakley and Adobe, isn't losing customers over it; people who buy the knockoffs weren't gonna be customers to begin with just like those idiots with foakleys were never gonna drop $200 on sunglasses.

 

Good point.

 

Guess its impossible to know how many people are looking for the genuine article and get duped over those who just want a good "replica"?

 

Beats joke of registering genuine product doesn't help anything though.

post #626 of 1217
I want a legitimately perfect fake if I'm dropping 80$ to play a joke. Aluminum and all. Geeheehee.
post #627 of 1217
HaHa - this made me laugh - now Bose are copying beats with the oddball color options - Bose monochromatic? - lol biggrin.gif



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Ironic that Selfridges show they are now shipping to China - land of where majority of fake headcans (and genuine) derive from.
Edited by cb3723 - 5/20/14 at 10:58am
post #628 of 1217
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Originally Posted by kilspeed111 View Post
 

That's exactly the way I'm thinking.

Too bad everyone till now that's interested doesn't think like that.

Most don't even care if they are fake, that they break within 30 days, and that the quality is even worse than the real deal. They look like beats after all, and that makes them cool, then they have this thing called 'swag' that I never understood, they just yell YOLO and other slangs. Well yeah You Only Live Once, so why not get some good quality?!

 

I can honestly say in my years I've seen hilariously few people that run around and "just yell YOLO and other slangs". People seem to assume that and it's really no more or less ignorant than the stereotype of every Head-Fi user sleeping on a pile of $1500 cables and listening to our FLAC classical music on our giant desktop amp/DAC/source rigs. 

 

Just remember that: for every ignorant Beats user there's an ignorant audiophile who spent way more on a set of cables. 

post #629 of 1217
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Originally Posted by DisCHORDDubstep View Post

I want a legitimately perfect fake if I'm dropping 80$ to play a joke. Aluminum and all. Geeheehee.

You have an expensive sense of humour - $80?

Keep your money and save it for something special you'd like - like whatever next pair of cans that floats your boat - but throwing good money on fakes is a joke on you and your boat will spring a leak wink.gif
post #630 of 1217
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

 

I can honestly say in my years I've seen hilariously few people that run around and "just yell YOLO and other slangs". People seem to assume that and it's really no more or less ignorant than the stereotype of every Head-Fi user sleeping on a pile of $1500 cables and listening to our FLAC classical music on our giant desktop amp/DAC/source rigs. 

 

Just remember that: for every ignorant Beats user there's an ignorant audiophile who spent way more on a set of cables. 

 

For some reason I'd rather have a talk with the ignorant audiophile, than one of the 'yoloswaginators'. They're everywhere where I live, and it's really annoying. I'm fine that they have their own style and stuff, but they're just plain rude, always screaming stuff, blasting music straight from their smartphone's at places like the bus stop, while grabbing their own 'private parts', and having their pants on their knees.

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