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post #91 of 503
^ Guy, you need to define your terms.
post #92 of 503
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Originally Posted by skamp View Post

I love my QC15s. I think they sound great, and they're very good at what they do. I didn't pay for them (they were a gift), and yeah they're very expensive, but damn it, I love them.
My gripe recently has been with people recommending Grados and such to people asking about headphones with bass that would blow their socks off. The obvious choices (Sony MDR-XB500 and co.) have bad rep around here and were mentionned by very few people. I think there's a lot of snobs on head-fi.


I would love to know more about the XB500-1000''s.

post #93 of 503
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Originally Posted by jjanuary View Post

 

I would love to know more about the XB500-1000''s.

 

 

Well, I can tell you that they have great bass and treble extension, are really comfortable, and they just do everything right...*

 

*But I've never actually placed them on my own head.

 

/caseinpoint

post #94 of 503


This right here is why group think is dangerous.  This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on a hobby forum. 
 

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Originally Posted by mbamg View Post

 

The point is, due to the abundance of clear descriptive reviews, once you've read enough of these on the same headphone you'd have more credibility and valuable information as opposed to someone who's only listened it but haven't read up on the opinion of others on the same subject.


 

 

post #95 of 503

Same deal with the Beats.

 

When I'm about to buy something, I always read LITERALLY EVERY review I can find on that product before doing so so that I'm 100% positive every purchase I make is a smart one.

 

Unless it's a fit issue, I've been happy with every headphone I've purchased thus far.

 

post #96 of 503

Dude, yes.  This forum has gone down the pooper.  People no longer read.

 

Here we go:

I want a portable headphone that sounds good, high-end, luxurious great for PORTABLE use, but I hate IEM.  I also want it to block out sound...around $300, no amp. (Obvious selection, B&W P5, QC15) Instead?  AUDIO TECHNICA ATH-M50.

 

I listen to a lot of rap, so I want a lot of bass.  AUDIO TECHNICA ATH-7000 (or whatever).  Response: I didn't think there was enough bass.  HeadFi response: YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG

 

I cannot do open headphones, I want something closed around $100. (Obvious selection, Sennheiser HD280Pro) HeadFi: GRADO SR80i AMAZINGNESS

 

My favorite thing was the thread about Audeze being a cluster**** of customer service, in which Audeze should've been getting flamed, instead the poster did.  LOLWUT

 

Or when it's obvious that someone doesn't want some irrelevant no-name headphone and they get the recommendation.  Or, "I really love the sound of the Bose AE2." "NO BOSE SUCKS SPEND YOUR $150 ON ATH-M50"

 

This is working in home theater, hearing your customer go "I hate LED TVs, I only want a plasma, LEDs are bad because of motion, etc etc" then steering him to the LEDs even though they obviously don't like them and don't fit for their application.

 

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Originally Posted by petedgr8 View Post

I don't post a lot. Most of the time I read.  If something pertains to me, I may post, but it's rare.  But lately, things have gotten out of control and I have to say something.  What's the issue?  People giving out advice or recommendations on headphones THEY DON'T HAVE. This is especially annoying when giving advice to headphone novices, the ones who rely on the advice and opinions of the people on this forum.  Let me explain...

 

I have close to 50 headphones.  Some are great (Ultrasone Pro 900, Beyer DT1350, Senn HD 580, Grado RS1, Senn IE8, Shure SE 530, etc), but most are crap (too many to list).  So you gotta trust me when I say I have listened to a fair amount.  I know there are folks on here who have more but I'm pretty sure I have a problem too.  That's besides the point.

 

I had to preface with that because what I'm about to say may be shocking to some.  I kinda like the Bose QC15s.  Shake your head now, but many of you know that they are great at NC, they sound pretty decent (really, they're not bad.  not great, but pretty good, so shut up already), and they're mad comfortable.  But there's a huge lot of you who hate on them just because they're Bose.  That's the majority of the forum.  I get it.  Bose marketing, patent issues, etc... it's easy to hate on them.  And yes, most of their headphones blow (In-ear anyone?)

 

So I was trolling around looking for others who might feel the same way about them.. the ones who are willing to overlook this Bose thing, because of all the reasons I mentioned above, without fear or attack from the masses.  I came across one post in particular where a novice wanted to find the best pair of NC headphones, didn't want an IEM, and asked about the QC15s.  Immediately, this happens.. everyone comes out saying how bad they suck, how the sound is crap, and Bose is an awful company.  "You should get a good sealed headphone, or an IEM (knowing, mind you, that the guy didn't want an IEM)."  None of this solid advice, just trashing talking.

 

What really bothered me was this:  People giving advice on headphones they didn't own, and recommending headphones they didn't own.  "The QC 15s suck.  You should get the Senn 300s or 450s.. or this and that...." when CLEARLY, they didn't own these headphones themselves!  Who the hell? This is tragic in my opinion.  Poor guy is now gonna go out and get something else when the QC15s would have been great for him.

 

Here are the facts:  

 

If you trash Bose for their name alone, but you push headphones you don't own purely - for their name alone, what just happened?

 

If you don't own the headphones you're talking about or giving advice on, what makes you qualified to give an opinion at all?

 

If they are good at what they do, why make someone feel bad about getting and using them purely for the what you think they are?

 

Please folks, just stop.  Let's keep this forum real without the hype and BS.  I'm going to proudly wear my QC15s on my commute to work because I just don't care about what you think.  I know about and have enough of the "good" headphones to make your collection cry.  So really, just stop.

 

I'm just gonna keep keepin it real.

 



 


Edited by tribestros - 2/27/12 at 9:49am
post #97 of 503

Highly entertaining thread. Couldn't agree more:

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by gareim View Post

I've been lurking on and off for a while now, but I had to make an account just to say this.

 

I really don't want second hand opinions. If you've never listened to a pair of headphones, you are not qualified to give your opinion, period. Unless you've been intimate with a headphone, you'll never know all the nuances of it. You'll never know how strong the clamping force is, how comfortable, the build quality, the details in the sound. All you'll be able to do without actually hearing it is regurgitating what someone else said. And that becomes a game of telephone where details are lost or, worse, malformed.

 

When I need an opinion on some headphones, either give me your experiences or point me to someone else's.

 

P.S. To Head-Fi, thank you. I love the RE-2's and Panasonic RP-HTF600s I got thanks to recommendations from people who actually tried them. And when I can find the money to upgrade, I'll be looking for more first-hand experiences.


**cough** ---> ZARIM, **cough cough** ---> ZARIM, 

 

(do an all posts under his profile... he's the most compulsive poster of this habit I've ever seen)


Edited by cn11 - 2/27/12 at 10:32am
post #98 of 503

you should have named this thread "I love BOSE!" to get more attention of those people. 

post #99 of 503
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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post


There are Headphone Supremus guys who have been around for years whom I have little trust in, based on what they've said and how they present the information.



Voilà. I've "joined" a few months ago... I've been a lurker for well over a year before I finally bought my first pair of mid-fi headphones. It took me alot of time to figure out what I wanted just by reading comments (btw, not many places here in Quebec where you can listen to actual mid-fi headphones) and I finally decided to buy the ATH-PRO700mk2 and was very, very, very disappointed. I went back and read the reviews / comments (some from ppl who had much more than 1000 comments) and they were saying that these were "tha sh*t" for anyone looking for bassy headphones.

 

So I returned them and followed 1-2 head-fi'ers that listened to the same music, same tastes, same ways of thinking (made smart posts / comments here and there), and I asked them for advice. They didn't have a gazilion posts. We both listened to specific songs and commented on what we liked about them in headphones etc and I bought since 3 pairs that way. All of them matched perfectly what I wanted / expected. So I must thank head-fi to have put me in contact with these ppl and now I enjoy these headphones every single day.  

 

I think this place is great and there are many ways to use this forum for advice. Ppl who ask and ppl who answer both have their responsabilities and you just have got to know when to listen, when to talk, and when to stay quiet.

 

Great post. Might open up some eyes. Experience is everything.

 

post #100 of 503

This statement is in general for this entire thread.

 

If you think I'm giving out bad advise, your welcome to follow all my posts around and correct me.

If you do not like dealing with fellow posters, that come with different headphone experiences and knowledge.

Your welcome to start up you own website headphone forum, as administrator you can delete posts or kick off members you feel are not up to your standards.


Edited by PurpleAngel - 2/27/12 at 12:15pm
post #101 of 503
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Originally Posted by tribestros View Post

Dude, yes.  This forum has gone down the pooper.  People no longer read.

Here we go:
I want a portable headphone that sounds good, high-end, luxurious great for PORTABLE use, but I hate IEM.  I also want it to block out sound...around $300, no amp. (Obvious selection, B&W P5, QC15) Instead?  AUDIO TECHNICA ATH-M50.

I listen to a lot of rap, so I want a lot of bass.  AUDIO TECHNICA ATH-7000 (or whatever).  Response: I didn't think there was enough bass.  HeadFi response: YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG

I cannot do open headphones, I want something closed around $100. (Obvious selection, Sennheiser HD280Pro) HeadFi: GRADO SR80i AMAZINGNESS

My favorite thing was the thread about Audeze being a cluster**** of customer service, in which Audeze should've been getting flamed, instead the poster did.  LOLWUT

Or when it's obvious that someone doesn't want some irrelevant no-name headphone and they get the recommendation.  Or, "I really love the sound of the Bose AE2." "NO BOSE SUCKS SPEND YOUR $150 ON ATH-M50"

This is working in home theater, hearing your customer go "I hate LED TVs, I only want a plasma, LEDs are bad because of motion, etc etc" then steering him to the LEDs even though they obviously don't like them and don't fit for their application.
I've noticed you're too angry most of the time, that's probably not good for your BP. At this rate you'll pop an artery. They're just headphones, relax. smily_headphones1.gif
post #102 of 503

Subscribed.

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Sounds like we are debating basic human nature, everyone wants to help and contribute and be respected.

 

post #103 of 503

Good post, OP. 

 

That is my biggest pet peeve around here as well. This obviously isn't a black-and-white issue -- as there is lots of grey area that has already been discussed, such as responsible second-hand paraphrasing. But I really don't understand people's needs to interject when they obviously have no business being in the discussion. Not sure if they even realize that they actually hurt their own credibility rather than help it. 

 

 

post #104 of 503
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Originally Posted by Questhate View Post
Good post, OP. 

That is my biggest pet peeve around here as well. This obviously isn't a black-and-white issue -- as there is lots of grey area that has already been discussed, such as responsible second-hand paraphrasing. But I really don't understand people's needs to interject when they obviously have no business being in the discussion. Not sure if they even realize that they actually hurt their own credibility rather than help it. 

So, what should be done to those that you feel are not up to your personal intellectual standards of headphone, amplifier & DAC knowledge?

Fellow members will never know if they have poor knowledge on something until they post their "incorrect" opinion on something.
 

 

 

post #105 of 503
I agree with the OP, but really, I have owned only about 15 and auditioned 50 or so others at length. I don't recommend unless I have given each phone a fair chance (this includes beats and Bose). That said, I make a clear distinction between what I have owned and what I have auditioned, because my memory is not perfect and I didn't always have reference tracks. Really I think everyone should make that distinction. Recommending or dismissing things that you haven't heard is wrong and that includes Bose and beats. Do I think there are better for the price? Certainly, but that doesn't mean I'll bash them. Especially Bose whom at quite respectable in their anc offerings.

And if you are basing your recommendation based on a review, link to said review. simple as that. It will make head-fi better.
Edited by kyuuketsuki - 2/27/12 at 11:29am
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