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post #436 of 503
The real issue here, IMHO, is conventional wisdom. We hack it to bits when it leads otherwise intelligent people to foolish behaviors, but we ignore the fact that it's usually correct and far more efficient than first-hand experience.

The best practice is one that recognizes the limits of conventional wisdom but uses it nonetheless.
post #437 of 503
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Originally Posted by disastermouse View Post


That strikes me as idiotic and narrow-minded. I've never been to Spain, but if I hear someone saying that they are considering going there and I've read a trusted review of a good restaurant, play, or museum - I'll make them aware of it and maybe even recommend it with the citation of the article. Since neither of us have been to Spain, making someone aware of a trusted source's opinion can be helpful.

Since even a firsthand listener will not have my ears or brain, his or her opinion could be LESS helpful than a secondhand opinion from someone I trust who is relaying info from someone HE trusts. We've established an affinity for similar qualities, and that's why it may be a better source than a firsthand one.

But what really makes me smile is that there's no way for you to enforce your desire on the greater community.

 


no he's right. Hearing something and reading something about what someone else hears are two completely different things. I never buy unless I can return or try it first. Sound may be an objective thing, but hearing is not. Based on how your hearing is can really effects how you hear and perceive sounds. If you haven't heard it, don't recommend it, instead point to some one who has heard it or keep to your self.

If you're going to buy it. try it first or buy from a company the has a no questions return policy.

post #438 of 503
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Originally Posted by WhiteCrow View Post



no he's right. Hearing something and reading something about what someone else hears are two completely different things. I never buy unless I can return or try it first. Sound may be an objective thing, but hearing is not. Based on how your hearing is can really effects how you hear and perceive sounds. If you haven't heard it, don't recommend it, instead point to some one who has heard it or keep to your self.
If you're going to buy it. try it first or buy from a company the has a no questions return policy.
Kindly, No. Thanks for the suggestion though, and good luck! wink.gif
post #439 of 503
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post


And THAT is even bigger problem than flipping for profit. No gear, no opinion, period, doesn't matter what you've read or heard, even from people you trust, everything in this hobby is highly opinionated and repeating someone's opinion w/o having your own does much more harm to it than anything else.

Stop trying to be helpful at *everything*!

If something like this was enforced on all forums then there will be no point of having a forum. Sure having your own opinions from having direct experience with the product is different to recommending it from reading other sources but in most cases you're pointing for the user to the right direction if they are asking/requesting for something they have no direct experience whatsoever. But if you're making a recommendation as if you have heard it yourself which you haven't but then yeah that's sort of a bad thing.

post #440 of 503

Just a suggestion, but maybe the forum should prevent new members from creating a thread until they've made at least three posts...

post #441 of 503
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Originally Posted by PFULMTL View Post

Just a suggestion, but maybe the forum should prevent new members from creating a thread until they've made at least three posts...


Or post until after a month after registration so they would have some time to listen first before speaking. :)

post #442 of 503
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Or post until after a month after registration so they would have some time to listen first before speaking. smily_headphones1.gif

That makes sense except...who would stick around? Better to have variety than purity, IMHO.
post #443 of 503
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post

Stop trying to be helpful at *everything*!

This. It isn't some sort of sign of "weakness" that one can't contribute to EVERY discussion about EVERYTHING - but it's absolutely problematic when one starts attempting it. redface.gif Being able to say "I don't know" is just as important and powerful as being able to say "I have the answer."
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Or post until after a month after registration so they would have some time to listen first before speaking. smily_headphones1.gif

"Lurk moar." biggrin.gif
post #444 of 503
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post

This. It isn't some sort of sign of "weakness" that one can't contribute to EVERY discussion about EVERYTHING - but it's absolutely problematic when one starts attempting it. redface.gif Being able to say "I don't know" is just as important and powerful as being able to say "I have the answer."
"Lurk moar." biggrin.gif
Is that a personal bit of advice to me, or something more general?
post #445 of 503
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Originally Posted by disastermouse View Post


That strikes me as idiotic and narrow-minded. I've never been to Spain, but if I hear someone saying that they are considering going there and I've read a trusted review of a good restaurant, play, or museum . . .

I am very glad that people with the stance like this are in minority but they are always welcome to my ignore list (god bless the inventor of this feature) as their posts usually bring very little value to the discussions on this board, are misleading and plain irritating. 

And no, I doubt anyone would be very interested in your opinion on Spain either if all you did is just read some traveler brochure.

post #446 of 503
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post

I am very glad that people with the stance like this are in minority but they are always welcome to my ignore list (god bless the inventor of this feature) as their posts usually bring very little value to the discussions on this board, are misleading and plain irritating. 
And no, I doubt anyone would be very interested in your opinion on Spain either if all you did is just read some traveler brochure.
Ah, but what if a trusted friend made the recommendation and I simply passed it on as a suggestion?

An example: my girlfriend suggests a restaurant based on a positive experience that her girlfriend had. Do I say, "Nope. Not good enough. You haven't been there!"
post #447 of 503

One big problem with making recommendations based on other people's impressions is that not too long down the line you have people making recommendations based on those second hand recommendations, and then based off those recommendations, etc... So it can appear like there is a large consensus that X headphone does Y well/poorly, buy in reality only a few people could have said that.

 

That being said, I think it's OK to point towards other people's reviews, but don't say X headphone is harsh, warm, etc based solely on what you've heard being tossed around a bunch.

post #448 of 503
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Originally Posted by chewy4 View Post

One big problem with making recommendations based on other people's impressions is that not too long down the line you have people making recommendations based on those second hand recommendations, and then based off those recommendations, etc... So it can appear like there is a large consensus that X headphone does Y well/poorly, buy in reality only a few people could have said that.

That being said, I think it's OK to point towards other people's reviews, but don't say X headphone is harsh, warm, etc based solely on what you've heard being tossed around a bunch.
Yeah, I never do that. That would be unforgivably dishonest.
post #449 of 503
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Originally Posted by disastermouse View Post

Is that a personal bit of advice to me, or something more general?

Broadly I'm agreeing with Andrew - nobody will have all answers to all questions (which is why I said "one").
post #450 of 503

I'm going to get trashed for this, I'm sure... but I think a lot of the hate towards the mass-market brands on this forum is us being part hipster.

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