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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post


FLAC vs MP3 320? Depends on the cans and the material
LOD vs Headphone Jack? Depends on the device and the jack
FLAC vs MP3 256? Depends, but I can with some consistency
Amp vs Unamped on headphones with under 50 impedance? Depends on the cans and amp
Sources (Laptop vs portable)? Again, depends on specific sources
Absolutes can be rather silly, they tend to close your mind to possibilities.


I was talking about the iPod touch and iPhone, possibly the two most commonly used MP3 players in the world. Sansa shouldn't be too far behind but that's one of the few exceptions where the weaker audio output would justify an amp with line out. But if you can afford a decent amp, why not just get iPod or one of those mighty Cowons? They don't need amps for most portables...

 

Sources: Of course, an Alienware with 5.1 surround would have a better sound card than a $400 Acer, but for people with the average $600-700 laptop?

 

Possibilities generally turn out to be placebos 
 

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Originally Posted by Timestretch View Post

 

A lot of "big" differences audiophiles talk about are actually pretty subtle. Audiophilia is all about subtleties, because in the long run, if you listen to music for a few hours every day, even the most subtle differences... can make a big difference in the long run.  

  



I agree on the other parts, but music isn't something that's cumulative, like weightlifting. While you can say that the extra X amount of pushups add up after every workout, it's not like listening to the same thousand or so songs (average music library) collects inside of you, and will add up to something over an amount of time.

 

After a bit of thinking, I feel that the people with the most influence on Head-Fi have the most advanced gear and perfectly trained ear to test audio. The extra .xx9 digit of hundred dollar silver line cables might somehow improve audio in the ideal situation with perfect gear, and those audiophilles give praise to the accessory as being helpful. In turn, followers of the well known audiophile will think that "cheap(er than getting a better set of headphones)" upgrade will give them better sound to their sub-$1000 gear, when instead, the bottleneck for sound quality lies elsewhere. It's like you have an old, standard clocked Pentium 4 in a standard computer setup. Getting another 6 GB of ram won't help whatsoever when you already have 6, because the bottleneck to speed is in the processor itself.

 

Entering the world of Hi-Fi also comes with it's problems similar to being a doctor. Before I joined the forums, I was completely satisfied with my pair of iBeats and enjoyed my music immensely. As I explored into the depths of Hi-Fi, and like a doctor walking around in the world, I hear small problems just as the doctor would see severe symptoms and conditions which other people would not notice. I would spot problems everywhere, and like the doctor, I can never get this "world" to be as "healthy" as I can. Head-Fi has taught me to actively seek out what's "wrong" with my music quality, and get irritated by what before would never had been an issue...

 

Wow that was a long post...

 

TL;DR:  Music Listening isn't cumulative, Average Head-Fiers are mislead by people with expensive gear praising expensive components, and the pursuit for Hi-Fi let's you see more problems than before, pushing you into an unending cycle of upgrading until you reach sonic perfection (which by the time your ears are probably worn out)

 

TL;DR was TL;DR: Audio Gear is imperfect, and perfection is pretty damn expensive

 

TL;DR: Too Long, Didn't Read (My opinion for so many posts on this website)

 

EDIT: Yes, those fancy shennanigans could make a difference on the ultra-high end of the spectrum, but the audience mainly people with sub-$500 rigs, and money is wasted on getting those $100-$200 cables, which would be "Cheap" when compared against the multi-thousand  dollar gear they're designed for. Example would be some grado-pads I've seen a while back. The headphones were in the high 500 hundred or so, and the pads were $60. $60 for some headphone pads, but it's really not that much when compared to the $500 headphone. But if people with the 80 dollar SR60i get pads that are almost as much as the headphone...?


Edited by Xinze - 4/10/12 at 10:08pm
post #392 of 503

Again, please correct me if I'm missing the point entirely. I am pulling this out of my *** with almost zero real knowledge, but surprisingly, my initial assumptions generally end up being close to correct.

post #393 of 503

LOD vs Headphone Jack = No difference.

post #394 of 503

 

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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

LOD vs Headphone Jack = No difference.


LOD vs Headphone Jack = blasting an eardrum out because you have no volume control.

Xinze I think you're pretty much right. I also never tried a silver LOD, but I doubt I'd hear much of a difference. I go to the DIY Cable Gallery frequently, but it's because I love seeing DIY cables, and admire the use of things like OCC Silver. It's not that I think it's audible, it's really just looks and quality.

One thing though: silver vs copper on something like a LOD or a headphone cable is not like über-expensive HDMI vs Monoprice HDMI. Let's not get into this again, but in an analog cable you have cumulative signal degradation,while in HDMI you have a square wave that either gets decoded or it doesn't (the degradation still occurs, just probably won't matter).

post #395 of 503

I've listened to the QC3, QC15, AE2 extensively (family members headphones, QC3's were a gift that I'm using currently). I don't really care for brand names, and I'm not into the hype, whether its bose or shure or grado or whatever. At any rate, I am using the QC3's now. (FLAME ON)

 

I can say however, I would not recommend them, especially the QC3. I cringe when I see how much the QC3's cost. I'd probably say SQ wise, they are worth maybe 50 bucks or there abouts. NC is garbage on them too. They also don't work without the battery. Replacements will set you back 40 dollars. They squeak if you press the ear cups. I can't wait to hand them down when I upgrade.

 

AE2's sound alright. It's really comfortable (like, REALLY comfortable). There's better headphones to be had at it's price point, but overall it's my favorite Bose headphone. I still couldn't recommend it because of it's price, knowing the alternatives that are out there.

 

As for the QC15.. the NC on them is really good. The SQ is also okay. 

 

My biggest gripe is that for that money, you can get in ear's that work pretty much the same in terms of isolation, but have way better SQ. Even some closed cans have excellent isolation without needing NC.

 

If you absolutely do not want in ears or closed for whatever reason and want NC, then i'd actually recommend the QC15 just because if your looking at purchasing it, the competition are all pretty similar in terms of RRP, and the QC15's are really comfortable. There's probably better competition in terms of value for money, but I'm not sure on this one so I couldn't offer any opinion here. For sure though, Bose make some comfortable headphones. Overall, I'd advise to purchase on what you value most, NC, or SQ. Trying to strike a balance between the two is going to cost you, and I can only speak in terms of Bose NC headphones, but it's not going to be good value for money. (as to whether its worth it is up to the individual)

 

 

Anyhow, my 2 cents, my opinion, take it for what its worth or obliterate with flames. I'm not fussed.

post #396 of 503
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Originally Posted by LizardKing1 View Post

 


LOD vs Headphone Jack = blasting an eardrum out because you have no volume control.

 



What do you mean? Your have an LOD in the purpose of using it with an amp. The amp will have the volume control.

post #397 of 503
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Originally Posted by Xinze View Post

Other things Head-Fiers say there is a day and night difference, but me and most of my friends mostly fail to distinguish in a blind test:

FLAC vs MP3 320

LOD vs Headphone Jack

FLAC vs MP3 256

Amp vs Unamped on headphones with under 50 impedance

FLAC vs MP3 320

Sources (Laptop vs portable)


FLAC vs MP3 320 = Depends on the track, how it was mastered, how old is the track, remastered, etc. Most aren't able to hear the difference. Personal preference, can you tell a difference?

 

LOD vs. Headphone Jack =  Depends on the amp inside the device, some are great, some are just plain out crappy

 

FLAC vs MP3 256 = See above

 

Amp vs. Unamped under 50ohms = depends on the amp's sound signature, how much of an upgrade.

 

Sources =  Depends on components inside. Dpends on the track codec

 

All of these are very subjective. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion so who really cares how others listen to their music? I personally have way too much going on to worry about how others listen to their music.

 


Edited by Redrider469 - 4/11/12 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by Xinze View Post

 

On another note, I was browsing through a custom cable manufacturer's website, and I saw: "Isolated" audiophile furniture. For $1500, you can get a specially scientifically designed piece of furniture that somehow separates your expensive audio gear from all the crazy interference going around your house. The furniture a few blocks of wood on top of wooden peg legs. $1500. Really? and to know that so many head-fiers adore companies such as these...

 


 

I'm afraid those had been around before you had your MP3s.

post #399 of 503
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Originally Posted by Xinze View Post

I agree on the other parts, but music isn't something that's cumulative, like weightlifting. While you can say that the extra X amount of pushups add up after every workout, it's not like listening to the same thousand or so songs (average music library) collects inside of you, and will add up to something over an amount of time.

I'm not trying to say it's cumulative. I meant that even a subtle difference can matter when you're exposed to it a lot. For example, people who stand up all day for their job will really really appreciate a very lightly more comfortable pair of shoes. A person who sits down 90% of their day and only stands/walks a little wont be as concerned about whether or not their shoes could be slightly more comfortable than they already are. Same thing with audiophiles and their headphones.   

  

The important question is, what audible differences are possible to detect in blind tests and which are imagined/placebo during sighted tests?  And if the more expensive amp/dac/cable doesn't really sound better, then are its other features (design, appearance, reliability, inputs/outputs) - are they worth the price difference to you?


Edited by Timestretch - 4/11/12 at 11:07am
post #400 of 503
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Originally Posted by Redrider469 View Post

Amp vs. Unamped under 50ohms = depends on the amp's sound signature, how much of an upgrade.


As to whether you will benefit from an amp, headphone sensitivity is even more important than its ohm rating.

post #401 of 503
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Originally Posted by grokit View Post


As to whether you will benefit from an amp, headphone sensitivity is even more important than its ohm rating.



This is very true

post #402 of 503

This thread makes me lol... Oh the irony... This thread starts off quite brilliantly, talking about how Head-Fiers (Not all...) comment about a product they don't even own or auditioned... And now here I see people doing the same thing about HPs, IEMs, Amps, Bitrates, Impedance, Sensitivity ect ect... I admit, I haven't read every comment here in this forum besides the first few pages and the last few, but this isn't the point about this thread... The point is, DON'T COMMENT about anything if you have no idea what you're talking about. And yes, I see that a lot on the Headphone, IEM, and Amp forums... One time I saw a comment about someone saying that the ER4S had big and bloated bass... Don't be one of those people please...

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Originally Posted by planx View Post

This thread makes me lol... Oh the irony... This thread starts off quite brilliantly, talking about how Head-Fiers (Not all...) comment about a product they don't even own or auditioned... And now here I see people doing the same thing about HPs, IEMs, Amps, Bitrates, Impedance, Sensitivity ect ect... I admit, I haven't read every comment here in this forum besides the first few pages and the last few, but this isn't the point about this thread... The point is, DON'T COMMENT about anything if you have no idea what you're talking about. And yes, I see that a lot on the Headphone, IEM, and Amp forums... One time I saw a comment about someone saying that the ER4S had big and bloated bass... Don't be one of those people please...



Then head-fi will have a lot less activity and go towards a slow frigid death... You don't need to own something to know about it. Spending as little as 15 minutes with it can tell you quite a bit.

post #404 of 503

As long as you say that you in fact only spent 15 minutes with it when talking about it I guess it's fine. 

 

As far as I'm concerned, my opinion on the headphones I've owned were very different from my first 15-minute-impressions. It takes many hours of serious listening to get to know them well in my opinion. 
 

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Originally Posted by Xinze View Post

Then head-fi will have a lot less activity and go towards a slow frigid death... You don't need to own something to know about it. Spending as little as 15 minutes with it can tell you quite a bit.

 

post #405 of 503
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Originally Posted by Xinze View Post



Quote:
Originally Posted by planx View Post

This thread makes me lol... Oh the irony... This thread starts off quite brilliantly, talking about how Head-Fiers (Not all...) comment about a product they don't even own or auditioned... And now here I see people doing the same thing about HPs, IEMs, Amps, Bitrates, Impedance, Sensitivity ect ect... I admit, I haven't read every comment here in this forum besides the first few pages and the last few, but this isn't the point about this thread... The point is, DON'T COMMENT about anything if you have no idea what you're talking about. And yes, I see that a lot on the Headphone, IEM, and Amp forums... One time I saw a comment about someone saying that the ER4S had big and bloated bass... Don't be one of those people please...



Then head-fi will have a lot less activity and go towards a slow frigid death... You don't need to own something to know about it. Spending as little as 15 minutes with it can tell you quite a bit.


To some extent, yes that's true, but from experience you need a good week or so to understand the HP, IEM, and/or Amp. And I'm not sure if you're understanding me correctly here. I never intended for HFiers to stop posting, I just don't wanna see anymore misleading posts... Especially if they don't own it or have a few days on the specific topic... It just rattles my
cage how there are so many misleading info shared here on HF
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