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post #376 of 503

I understand there more posts being made than mods. But there have been threads that have blatantly gotten out of hand. Not talking a small thread either, rather, quite a big discussion. And if that's the crutch being used "Members didn't report, so we didn't know" I find that despicable in this certain instance.

 

I will say for the most part things are run smoothly, as to not seem to be completely bashing everyone's efforts to keep things going as best as possible.

 

I don't really want to PM you with specifics. I don't feel it's my place to "out" names. Though, I am sure some of these particulars aren't a secret.

post #377 of 503
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

I understand there more posts being made than mods. But there have been threads that have blatantly gotten out of hand. Not talking a small thread either, rather, quite a big discussion. And if that's the crutch being used "Members didn't report, so we didn't know" I find that despicable in this certain instance.

 

I will say for the most part things are run smoothly, as to not seem to be completely bashing everyone's efforts to keep things going as best as possible.

 

I don't really want to PM you with specifics. I don't feel it's my place to "out" names. Though, I am sure some of these particulars aren't a secret.


If you are in a thread, and you feel it's gotten out of hand, click the little red flag in the lower right and report it.  Otherwise, in my opinion you have no right to complain here.

 

If you did report it, then apologies.  But the moderators have the right to use their judgement after you've reported it as well.

 

Depending on members to report is not a "crutch".  Most of the mods are working free of charge, and in their free time.  Keeping the community healthy is a responsibility everyone shares equally.

 

</rant off>

 

post #378 of 503

I understand your point, I was just saying I've seen things get out of hand. And I've also said that 

mods do a great job for the most part. Otherwise this site would just be perfect, without any error.

 

I wasn't directly stating that for every instance relying on members is a crutch. Just this particular example. Which was a very big thread. 

post #379 of 503
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

Thanks for pointing out keanex's guide. I didn't know it existed! I'll add that to the stickies at some point. I want to ask him about updating it first and how he feels about changes and contributions.

 

I have some other ideas about how new members are greeted which I'm working on. You guys wont see them obviously, but the idea is that they know where to find useful information early on.  The trick is working out how much or little to push to them in one hit, as people have short attention spans these days and are unlikely to read a bunch of links (articles) in one sitting.


How about a simple "beginners (or noobies) start here" button right on top, that links to a dynamic presentation page featuring all of the relevant information/guides/wikis/video content?


 

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Originally Posted by LizardKing1 View Post

Since we're talking about ideas for newcomers I'd like to (again) mention Head-Fi TV. I don't know in which direction Jude is thinking of bringing it, but I really liked the idea of having a few episodes dedicated to quickly explain core concepts of headphones, like soundstage, speed, frequency response graphs, what amps and DACs are (one of the questions most asked). I know there's already a lot of threads explaining this, but a video is simply easier to watch than to read a wall of text, not to mention the visual advantages of explaining something in a video (like showing how an EQ works on a graph with the voice on background). I knew what electrostats were long before Jude made a video about the SR-009 and I still really liked re-learning all that.

 

Also let's not forget some people just don't care enough to create a Head-Fi account, and those can still watch the youtube videos - much more attention-span-friendly. Imagine the exposure Head-Fi gets from being in the 5 results when people search "headphones" on youtube. Instead if someone watches a video they are treated with stuff meant for long-time users who consider buying 2000$ amplifiers. I'm not saying Head-Fi TV should be for newbies only, but a few episodes would definitely help since it's a tool much more efficient for them than text. Older users don't mind reading huge articles, but for someone who doesn't really care yet it would be much easier.


I like this idea as well in theory. But it almost seems like you are asking older users to read the article, then distill the information into an easy-to-digest video summary for the youngsters that are to lazy/ADD to read it for themselves. I don't want to totally shoot it down but it seems somehow enabling to me.

 

Tyll does a fine job with his clips, and anybody that wants can post YouTube videos so there's no shortage of video content available anyways. I do agree that Head-fi TV could use some expansion, but as has been said it seems that it's difficult enough just rotating in new front-page articles.

post #380 of 503
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Originally Posted by grokit View Post



How about a simple "beginners (or noobies) start here" button right on top, that links to a dynamic presentation page featuring all of the relevant information/guides/wikis/video content?

Then they have to read all the content and pass a test to be able to join? Rock on! 38
post #381 of 503
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Originally Posted by HesterDW View Post

 

 

I think you're over reacting a bit! No one hates your idea at all. It would be awesome, it's just that the concept seems impossible. I feel like it would be similar to saying "lets try to simulate how a GTX580 will perform on max settings, using this 7800GT". The only situation it seems to work in is when you're comparing very similar headphones.

 

Also if I understood your explanation correctly, wouldn't there have to be specific EQ settings for each headphone, for each headphone? That was confusing...what I mean is: if you want to simulate the D2000s on HFI580s the EQ settings will differ from the EQ settings needed to simulate the D2000s on ATHM50s...and so on? That's a lot of custom EQs! Or am I over-complicating things?

 

I hope you didn't get mad and run off this is an interesting idea.


I mean, that's how I see it working, and there could be some program or applet that does this automatically given FR graphs from Headroom or something. It seems like a matter of reversing the FR of your existing headphones as the EQ to get it to theoretically neutral and then adding the FR of the headphones you want to simulate. Obviously not perfect and I have no idea if it would work, but it certainly seems like it might give a rough idea.

 



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Originally Posted by grokit View Post


How about a simple "beginners (or noobies) start here" button right on top, that links to a dynamic presentation page featuring all of the relevant information/guides/wikis/video content?

 


Of course, this is contingent on getting together a very good, very comprehensive, unbiased guide to present them with, if we're going to shove it in people's faces. The forum is generally very good about being fairly objective on the whole, but this would definitely need to be actively moderated and edited by Jude and the Mods, to make sure we're not being too biased or anything, if it's going to be officially endorsed. Also, not sure if it's a good idea to force people to read it while registering, since some people lurk for a long time, but it should definitely be prominent.

 

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I like this idea as well in theory. But it almost seems like you are asking older users to read the article, then distill the information into an easy-to-digest video summary for the youngsters that are to lazy/ADD to read it for themselves. I don't want to totally shoot it down but it seems somehow enabling to me.

 

Tyll does a fine job with his clips, and anybody that wants can post YouTube videos so there's no shortage of video content available anyways. I do agree that Head-fi TV could use some expansion, but as has been said it seems that it's difficult enough just rotating in new front-page articles.


I realize I might have passed the wrong idea. I don't mean older members can just read the walls of text and new members should be cuddled with videos. But I am sure that when I starting in headphones a video would have been much more appealing and easy to understand than articles. It's not just that as a more experienced (relatively to my beginning) member I am less lazy, it's that I have the ability to even comprehend the text while as a beginner it would immediately put me off.

 

And these would be just a few videos, I don't think there's that much newbie content to fill the whole Season 1 of Head-Fi TV. The rest could follow the current line, which is to talk about new products.

post #383 of 503
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Originally Posted by LizardKing1 View Post

 

You are forgetting a few things. First in pure chatrooms there is usually no registration, here there is, and if you ask me I value my account way too much to have it banned because of something stupid I said in a chatroom. I assume most people here think like me, basically really liking this hobby instead of being so "meh" they wouldn't care about being banned. Second, like most people have mentioned and I agree, Head-Fi is one of the "nicest" forums out there. I've been to a few and none compared to this. When people complaint about trolls, arrogance and ignorance I wonder if they've ever been to any other forum. For this reason a chatroom on Head-Fi wouldn't behave like any other because the forum is composed of a much more self-controlled crowd than the usual internet forum.

 


This surprises me.  I spend very little time on other forums, but I find it shocking that folks are even ruder and out of control on other forums. 

Really the only other forum I spend much time on is Canuck Audio Mart.  The format is quite different and the web site is way less active, but those guys usually seem to be fairly well behaved.

 

BTW, in support of the moderators, we have all seen them lock down threads when they get too stupid, illogical, belligerent and out of control.

Personally, I have red flagged a few posts.

We have also seen the moderators deleted the blatantly ridiculous & belligerent posts from a thread.

PM me if you want an example, I don't it is appropriate for me to "out" one here.
 

 


Edited by Chris J - 3/17/12 at 7:32am
post #384 of 503
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  I spend very little time on other forums, but I find it shocking that folks are even ruder and out of control on other forums. 

Of all the fast moving forums I've seen this is the most "in control" by far. Probably has to do with quick banning for trolling and personal attacks.
post #385 of 503

I agree.  We do have some very strong personalities here, but our mods are pretty proactive and vigilant.  I also think our mods are pretty fair and reasonable.  It's human nature, but on other boards, some mods get power trips and elevated senses of self importance.  I don't think that happens much over here.
 

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Of all the fast moving forums I've seen this is the most "in control" by far. Probably has to do with quick banning for trolling and personal attacks.


 

post #386 of 503
I received a warning on my second day. biggrin.gif But then, I was accustomed to Anandtech. I've calmed down a lot since leaving that place.
post #387 of 503
While I don't think the whole video thing is going to fly, I do agree that there needs to be more visibility to "beginners start here!" kinds of threads and posts. I think we already have quite a few of these sorts of summary posts as well as links to them, it's just unlikely that anybody is going to check them out first unless they're the sort of people that are more likely to do some independent research to begin with. A nice big, bold "check here first!" link together with a stern "read the posting guidelines noob!" link will probably work well. Still, it's easier to tell others what to do than it is to do it.

I also agree that as far as popular forums go, head-fi is one of the better ones. The unfortunate rule of the internet is that the 5% of people with the least to say generally make 95% of the noise - and that's what any popular forum has to contend with.
post #388 of 503

Other things Head-Fiers say there is a day and night difference, but me and most of my friends mostly fail to distinguish in a blind test:

FLAC vs MP3 320

LOD vs Headphone Jack

FLAC vs MP3 256

Amp vs Unamped on headphones with under 50 impedance

FLAC vs MP3 320

Sources (Laptop vs portable)

 

 

And we're all 15-17 with fairly diverse music tastes, so I am almost certain that we have better hearing than you "elderlys" tongue.gif

Also not that I've tested, there's a massive amount of people on here that's into the silver LOD and other recabling, etc. For most of of those $100+ 99.99969% Silver LODS, I'm going to stand firm until I'm proven wrong that it's just another Monster HDMI vs Monoprice HDMI thing.

 

Honestly, even though there are vast amounts of valuable information on head-fi, there's still garbage here just like anywhere else. I can't imagine the % of people here who would fail to consistently pass an A B blind test between their fancy cables vs regular generics. And so many of those cost more than those infamous Monster HDMIs.

 

On another note, I was browsing through a custom cable manufacturer's website, and I saw: "Isolated" audiophile furniture. For $1500, you can get a specially scientifically designed piece of furniture that somehow separates your expensive audio gear from all the crazy interference going around your house. The furniture a few blocks of wood on top of wooden peg legs. $1500. Really? and to know that so many head-fiers adore companies such as these...

 

post #389 of 503
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Originally Posted by Xinze View Post

Other things Head-Fiers say there is a day and night difference, but me and most of my friends mostly fail to distinguish in a blind test:
FLAC vs MP3 320
LOD vs Headphone Jack
FLAC vs MP3 256
Amp vs Unamped on headphones with under 50 impedance
FLAC vs MP3 320
Sources (Laptop vs portable)


And we're all 15-17 with fairly diverse music tastes, so I am almost certain that we have better hearing than you "elderlys" tongue.gif
Also not that I've tested, there's a massive amount of people on here that's into the silver LOD and other recabling, etc. For most of of those $100+ 99.99969% Silver LODS, I'm going to stand firm until I'm proven wrong that it's just another Monster HDMI vs Monoprice HDMI thing.

Honestly, even though there are vast amounts of valuable information on head-fi, there's still garbage here just like anywhere else. I can't imagine the % of people here who would fail to consistently pass an A B blind test between their fancy cables vs regular generics. And so many of those cost more than those infamous Monster HDMIs.

On another note, I was browsing through a custom cable manufacturer's website, and I saw: "Isolated" audiophile furniture. For $1500, you can get a specially scientifically designed piece of furniture that somehow separates your expensive audio gear from all the crazy interference going around your house. The furniture a few blocks of wood on top of wooden peg legs. $1500. Really? and to know that so many head-fiers adore companies such as these...

That's a mighty broad brush you've got there. Seems there's plenty of snobbery on both sides of that fence. We have the all scientific "none of it matters" crowd and the "I only use virgin granite isolation spikes" type mystics. Then the other 90% of us sit somewhere in the middle. But, you know, it's all good. If it makes you happy and you aren't out killing people with a machete, then more power to ya.

FWIW,

FLAC vs MP3 320? Depends on the cans and the material
LOD vs Headphone Jack? Depends on the device and the jack
FLAC vs MP3 256? Depends, but I can with some consistency
Amp vs Unamped on headphones with under 50 impedance? Depends on the cans and amp
Sources (Laptop vs portable)? Again, depends on specific sources

Absolutes can be rather silly, they tend to close your mind to possibilities.
post #390 of 503
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Originally Posted by Xinze View Post

Other things Head-Fiers say there is a day and night difference, but me and most of my friends mostly fail to distinguish in a blind test:

FLAC vs MP3 320

LOD vs Headphone Jack

FLAC vs MP3 256

Amp vs Unamped on headphones with under 50 impedance

FLAC vs MP3 320

Sources (Laptop vs portable)

 

 

And we're all 15-17 with fairly diverse music tastes, so I am almost certain that we have better hearing than you "elderlys" tongue.gif

Also not that I've tested, there's a massive amount of people on here that's into the silver LOD and other recabling, etc. For most of of those $100+ 99.99969% Silver LODS, I'm going to stand firm until I'm proven wrong that it's just another Monster HDMI vs Monoprice HDMI thing.

 

Honestly, even though there are vast amounts of valuable information on head-fi, there's still garbage here just like anywhere else. I can't imagine the % of people here who would fail to consistently pass an A B blind test between their fancy cables vs regular generics. And so many of those cost more than those infamous Monster HDMIs.

 

On another note, I was browsing through a custom cable manufacturer's website, and I saw: "Isolated" audiophile furniture. For $1500, you can get a specially scientifically designed piece of furniture that somehow separates your expensive audio gear from all the crazy interference going around your house. The furniture a few blocks of wood on top of wooden peg legs. $1500. Really? and to know that so many head-fiers adore companies such as these...

 


In some of those cases you're right but not all. I personally can't tell 320mp3 vs flac. Don't even get me started on the people who *only* accept HD tracks 24bit/96KHz files...  

  

Some of the other things really depend on the exact gear being used, though. 256kbps lame 3.99 mp3 vs flac? I can discern that, even though I have terrible hearing after going to a few too many very loud concerts and working with some loud power tools before college. 

  

Just try to keep in mind that most audiophiles use the term "night & day difference" to mean, "the difference between 256kbps mp3 and flac." Sure, it can be differentiated if you pay close attention in a carefully engineered blind test... but it's not so huge that you'd notice it no matter what even when distracted by other things.  

 

A lot of "big" differences audiophiles talk about are actually pretty subtle. Audiophilia is all about subtleties, because in the long run, if you listen to music for a few hours every day, even the most subtle differences... can make a big difference in the long run.  

  

But as for the silver recable thing, or this furniture thing? Yeah. I will agree with you that that's pure "audiophile jewelry." It looks cool but that's it. Any perceived sound difference is psychoacoustic, imagined by our overly complicated and fallible human minds.

 


Edited by Timestretch - 4/10/12 at 9:03pm
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