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post #106 of 503

 

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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post

So, what should be done to those that you feel are not up to your personal intellectual standards of headphone, amplifier & DAC knowledge?

Fellow members will never know if they have poor knowledge on something until they post their "incorrect" opinion on something.
 


You're taking my comments way too far. It's not about "incorrect" opinion or knowledge -- it's about no knowledge. Like what many others have echo'd before me, if a poster hasn't heard a particular piece of gear, why not defer to the multitudes of members here who have? 

 

post #107 of 503
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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post

So, what should be done to those that you feel are not up to your personal intellectual standards of headphone, amplifier & DAC knowledge?

Fellow members will never know if they have poor knowledge on something until they post their "incorrect" opinion on something.
 


I don't think this is the argument at hand, actually. It has nothing to do with "knowledge"... but, rather, experience. Post about what you have experienced first hand, period. In my opinion, such a post could never be "incorrect".

post #108 of 503

^ Exactly. This is exactly my sentiments as well.

post #109 of 503
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Originally Posted by Questhate View Post
Good post, OP. 

That is my biggest pet peeve around here as well. This obviously isn't a black-and-white issue -- as there is lots of grey area that has already been discussed, such as responsible second-hand paraphrasing. But I really don't understand people's needs to interject when they obviously have no business being in the discussion. Not sure if they even realize that they actually hurt their own credibility rather than help it. 

So, what is your Final Solution for dealing with the "dumb" posters?
 

 

 

post #110 of 503

 

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So, what is your Final Solution for dealing with the "dumb" posters?
 


Give them a hug? 

post #111 of 503

Heya,

 

You can always call people out on their post, if you think it's not genuine.

And you can always offer up actual experience in place of it as an alternative.

All in the same post.

 

Very best,

post #112 of 503
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Give them a hug? 



Awww

 

post #113 of 503
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Originally Posted by Questhate View Post

 


Give them a hug? 



dunno man, it could be contagious.

post #114 of 503

What are everyone's thoughts on recommending a headphone in the same series? Say someone wants a good open rock headphone but can only spend up to $100. Could someone with, say, a 225i recommend an 80i or 60i?

post #115 of 503
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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post

What are everyone's thoughts on recommending a headphone in the same series? Say someone wants a good open rock headphone but can only spend up to $100. Could someone with, say, a 225i recommend an 80i or 60i?


Could someone with an HD650 correctly recommend an HD600? 

 

It is admittedly somewhat different for your example, being that Grados are rather similar...

 

post #116 of 503
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Could someone with an HD650 correctly recommend an HD600? 

 

It is admittedly somewhat different for your example, being that Grados are rather similar...

 

 

I think the best solution for everyone would just be "if you're recommending a headphone you don't have, you should have a really valid reason why"

 

that, and you should also let people know you straight up don't have it and haven't heard it.

 

I too have been led astray a few times by bad advice and it's pretty frustrating

post #117 of 503

Just because someone owns a pair of headphones does not mean they know anything about good sound.

People are more likely to be biased towards what they spent money on.

 

Just look at the first few pages of this thread, bose speaker owners posted about how great bose speakers sound, yet reviews against other speakers have found them to be far below par. It does not matter if I tell someone that the bose speakers are junk without hearing them, because my data is from a good source compared to someone who does not know better.

 

 

post #118 of 503

Recommending headphones can never be completely right, it's a game of subjective opinion and numerous modifiers.

For those that believe that people get used to headphones (AKA, brain-in), that adds a very complicated modifier to the mix. A lot of time, people have primary and secondary headphones. Obviously they rotate between primaries from time to time, but usually people spend enough time to "retune" their ear to their primary headphone. When this happens, their view of their secondary headphones is a skewed one. The more different the primary and compared secondary headphones are, the more skewed the sound. Simply subjective can be just as inaccurate as simply objective when talking about a secondary headphone. This is, of course, especially relevant if the person receiving advice will use these as their primary headphones. For example, I went from my Ultrasones as primary to my Denons as primary. When this happened, the Denons became more bassy (I originally thought they were very bass light), and the Ultrasones became *super* bassy and bloated. Recently my Fostex's became my primary headphone (because my musical fancy seems to be metal this month, and the Fostex's are amazing with metal), and when using my Denons, they seem boomy, which they never did before.

Usually when recommending, people mix their subjective experiences (with primary or secondary headphones) with objective data and communal consensus to form the best advice, and most of the more experienced users do. This combination (and added experience) can help correct the skewed view that can result from a headphone being a secondary one.

 

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the OP, I'm just saying that I don't believe objective data and communal consensus to be all bad, they can be very helpful when used correctly.

 

As far as recommending a headphone you don't own, I'd say it was okay as long as there is a note of full disclosure.

 

For example, say someone (to use the same example I used in another post) is asking for a headphone that is good for rock, open or closed, max $100. Something like the following would be acceptable (to me):

 

"Hey, for rock at that price range, I'd look at the Grado SR60i or Grado SR80i. They're well known for being great for rock, and should be great for the bands you listed.

However, I don't own a pair, so I'd wait for someone who does to chime in (or check out a few reviews) before getting them. Just making sure you keep them in mind before making your final decision, as I know a few people who have them and love them. :)"

 

 

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Originally Posted by The D View Post

People are more likely to be biased towards what they spent money on.

 

This is another thing to consider, because this is *very* true. People can be convinced that their headphones are the best things in the world, though usually this is an issue of maturity. However, if the forum is being taken over by a bunch of kids (as some are suggesting), we'll be seeing more of this. Of course, immaturity and this type of behavior is not exclusive to children and teenagers. Just more common.


Edited by Taowolf51 - 2/27/12 at 3:50pm
post #119 of 503

 

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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post

 

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the OP, I'm just saying that I don't believe objective data and communal consensus to be all bad, they can be very helpful when used correctly.

 

As far as recommending a headphone you don't own, I'd say it was okay as long as there is a note of full disclosure.

 

 

+1 

 

I agree with this, and would believe that most posters feel the same way. I didn't interpret the OP as meaning that under absolutely no circumstances should anyone recommend a particular headphone with no experience. There are certainly responsible ways to do so (ie. disclaimers, links to source, stating generalities and consensus, etc.). But on the other hand, we've all come across the extremely egregious instances of mindless regurgitation that truly do a disservice to the community as a whole. 

 

And, thank goodness for guys like purrin and Tyll whose measurements can truly give you a great idea of how a headphone sounds without actually hearing them. It's not exactly a substitute for first-hand experience, but you can get a sense of how a headphone sounds (ie. bassy, bright, sibilant, shouty mids, balanced, etc.) by just looking at a few graphs. With all this work done in objective measurements, "blind recommendations" from those giving advice, and "blind buying" from those receiving advice is becoming so much less of a gamble. 

post #120 of 503

How about a warning on the home page.

"Beware, some members of Head-Fi will recommend equipment that they have never owned or used."

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