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there seems to be a lot of price gauging in this industry and its sad 

Thank you to all the good head-fi'ers with the integrity to warn others- as far as this product goes, I'm really skeptical.  I expect it to sound good, but be extremely overpriced when all the premiums are added, which won't help when its going against the dx100 which I find to sound incredible and be an incredible value.

The attitude goes both ways guys and gals.  On board storage is one the last concerns if external storage is available.  If you have a SDXC card that's fully supported by the player and firmware, why would you want to format to FAT32?

Has anyone on this thread ever heard/owned the HM-801 or any Hifiman product.  Yes, you can find a lot of bashing on other site threads about how much overpriced this and that is, you'll always have those who voice there opinion on specs and other folks impression, but never their own, which is the only one that should matter. 

Has anyone ever heard of a high-end dual chip desktop DAC - c'mon.  High price is the price of flagship products, regardless what it is.  How many of you paid nearly $500 for an iPod Photo? That should put some perspective in things - hopefully.

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Originally Posted by alphaphoenix 

The attitude goes both ways guys and gals.  On board storage is one the last concerns if external storage is available.  If you have a SDXC card that's fully supported by the player and firmware, why would you want to format to FAT32?

 

Has anyone on this thread ever heard/owned the HM-801 or any Hifiman product.  Yes, you can find a lot of bashing on other site threads about how much overpriced this and that is, you'll always have those who voice there opinion on specs and other folks impression, but never their own, which is the only one that should matter. 

 

Has anyone ever heard of a high-end dual chip desktop DAC - c'mon.  High price is the price of flagship products, regardless what it is.  How many of you paid nearly $500 for an iPod Photo? That should put some perspective in things - hopefully.

I own a HM-801, a Balanced Amp Module, HM-601 and HE-500's. The HM-801 sounded pleasing but output impedance, low internal storage, poor battery life and clunky ergonomics/UI disappointed me in the end. Firmware ended up bricking the device 8 months in. HE-500's had a defective driver on arrival and a host of quality control issues but sounded great when functioning normally albeit not as natural or realistic as the LCD-2's. HM-601 had a euphonic sound sig but hiss, UI, onboard storage and general plasticy aesthetics made it overall a disappointing experience. The Balanced Amp Module was the worst: could not detect a single difference between it and stock module (friend had a hm-801 that we could use to a/b it). Couldn't even tell a single difference from between single ended out and balanced output from the Balanced Amp Module.

I generally feel kind of ripped off. I have enjoyed the HM-801 and HE-500's sound but the range of other issues were too big to ignore (like the HM-801 bricking itself and the complete waste of money that the Balanced Amp Module was). The lack of integrity and condescension shown by Fang to his customers is what really gets me though.

I try to be fair and only say things as I see them. I hope people realise that. I hope that by bringing up these negative points Fang can improve his products and the way he treats his customers and the whole audiophile community can benefit as a result (as well as his business). But first he must respect the community and their opinion.

Supply and demand. Things made in these quantities and revisional R&D will cost multiples of a mass produced item. Price of admission that no one is forced into taking. I think it's poor form to comment on it's cost performance ratio without even a listen. We all know that prices go up at a rising rate as you go up the performance ladder and away from the mass market. What's good enough will be personal. To me, right now, a 901 is neither good nor bad. I doubt I'll be one of their customers but wouldn't have any opinion on it unless I had actually used it. If you think you can do better with the circuit, go ahead. Otherwise wait and see whether their idea of better meets yours.

Of course, previous experience counts to a buyer as well but that isn't about the 901s sound or circuit.

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Originally Posted by alphaphoenix 

The attitude goes both ways guys and gals.  On board storage is one the last concerns if external storage is available.  If you have a SDXC card that's fully supported by the player and firmware, why would you want to format to FAT32?

 

Has anyone on this thread ever heard/owned the HM-801 or any Hifiman product.  Yes, you can find a lot of bashing on other site threads about how much overpriced this and that is, you'll always have those who voice there opinion on specs and other folks impression, but never their own, which is the only one that should matter. 

 

Has anyone ever heard of a high-end dual chip desktop DAC - c'mon.  High price is the price of flagship products, regardless what it is.  How many of you paid nearly $500 for an iPod Photo? That should put some perspective in things - hopefully.

I'm was just waiting for a confirmation that the SDXC card was fully supported by the firmware in exFAT, because I dont want to format it in FAT32 and loose the waranty. About the price we have to wait for reviews or feedback of first users to get an idea whether it is a sure value.
 

Lose warranty? Pretty sure if you're talking about a warranty on a SDXC card, it would be if something was wrong it also needs to be wrong in exFAT in order to claim warranty. You can always reformat a card to exFAT if needed.

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Originally Posted by Migou67 

I'm was just waiting for a confirmation that the SDXC card was fully support by the firmware in exFAT, because I dont want to format it in FAT32 and loose the waranty. About the price we have to wait for reviews or feedback of first users to get an idea whether it is a sure value.

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Originally Posted by kenman345 

Lose warranty? Pretty sure if you're talking about a warranty on a SDXC card, it would be if something was wrong it also needs to be wrong in exFAT in order to claim warranty. You can always reformat a card to exFAT if needed.

Sorry to tell you that this happened to me, the SanDisk SDXC card can be just mounted and read but when you try to write on or format it you receive I/O errors. The problem is you can read the file system used during the last format and you can not delete the partition and reformat it in exFAT. When you are sending back the card, this is the first control that will be done. SanDisk support people told me that on the phone 3 days ago.

I want just a confirmation that the exFAT is fully supported by the firmware.

Thanks for the update. Had no idea. Really annoying then isnt it. They did say it would support a 256gb card, so I assume it has the extra necessary pin and the exFAT suppor to go with it. Sicne it's annoying to format a large card like that into FAT32 (but it is possible. I've done it to 1TB external HDD's.)

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Originally Posted by Migou67 

 

Sorry to tell you that this happened to me, the SanDisk SDXC card can be just mounted and read but when you try to write on or format it you receive I/O errors. The problem is you can read the file system used during the last format and you can not delete the partition and reformat it in exFAT. When you are sending back the card, this is the first control that will be done. SanDisk support people told me that on the phone 3 days ago.

 

I want just a confirmation that the exFAT is fully supported by the firmware.

Fat32 supports up to 256GB.

What is exactly the problem since MS owns both?

Sandisk formats any card greater the 64GB with exFAT. 32GB and below in FAT32.

http://kb.sandisk.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/312/related/1/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xMzQ1MTQ2OTkxL3NpZC9mcE9zaFMzbA%3D%3D

The quick format must be checked as otherwise windows will try and format the "tracks" like if it was a Hard Drive.Quick just wipes the MBR portion.

FAT32 supports more. Trust me. I've done it on my mac tons of times

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Originally Posted by figgie 

Fat32 supports up to 256GB.

 

What is exactly the problem since MS owns both?

 

Sandisk formats any card greater the 64GB with exFAT. 32GB and below in FAT32.

 

http://kb.sandisk.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/312/related/1/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xMzQ1MTQ2OTkxL3NpZC9mcE9zaFMzbA%3D%3D

 

The quick format must be checked as otherwise windows will try and format the "tracks" like if it was a Hard Drive.Quick just wipes the MBR portion.

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Originally Posted by kenman345 

FAT32 supports more. Trust me. I've done it on my mac tons of times

I will side on MS with this one.

Even though UNOFFICIALLY it supports more (yes I have done it but any bad shut downs usually are not very well addressed). But you would be crazy to put any important data on a 1TB drive formatted with FAT32.. ;)

When I asked at a Head-Fi Meet Up, I was told all formats will be supported. Don't know if they know of all formats or if it supports all formats like they say. Good luck finding out. I still want a device that'll do mp3HD

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Originally Posted by LarsHP 

While I have four SD cards with a total capacity of 160GB, I still would think less than 16GB onboard as both odd and low. My HM-801 has 8GB, and that feels small already. What I would like the 901 to support however is playlists like .m3u files (including making and editing them). Anyone knows about this feature on the 901?

decided to delete my post after reading through the thread, not one to stir up a hornets nest... but if being uncivil & condescending to potential owners is your 'big sell' then count me well out.

good customer service is well respected in my book, without it you'll have nothing apart from dwindling customers... just an observation like.

it's the first day of the season tomorrow, perfect time to be uncivil!

I am already pessimistic and we don't sign a decent striker my posts here will be increasingly nasty!

Not sure what makes me more angry - that doc on the 901 or Carlton Cole?