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I have some question's about these headphones. First off how stable are these? Will I have to make a conscious effort to keep these on my head? Also, how comfortable are these? I used to have a pair of Bowers & Wilkins P5 headphones and I liked the sound quality (although they were my first pair of headphones having only previously owned cheap earphones that probably didn't exceed 20 bucks so anything would've sounded better than that!) but I had to walk at the pace of a snail and I always had to point my head up so that they wouldn't fall off! Plus they got uncomfortable too fast (despite B&W's claims of these phones being comfortable to wear for hours). Now I have a pair of  Incase Sonic headphones and they are stable and EXTREMELY comfortable plus they sound good too. Anyway, how transparent sounding are these? Is there a lot of coloration (like I have heard Ultrasone is infamous for) or not? How natural sounding are they? And I also have one request . . . can somebody supply a frequency response graph for these? I think that is all (if it isn't I will post whatever else I have to ask in another post). Any help would be greatly appreciated especially if somebody could get their hands on a FR graph for these phones.


Edited by kingalekay - 3/4/12 at 11:28pm
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The Pro 750's are a pretty nice can. I think they lack a little bit of clamping power, so they aren't super secure, but they are pretty comfy.

 

As far as sound goes, they are pretty colored. Big, sparkly highs, and thunderous bass. They were pretty lacking in the lower mids too, so voices sounded thin and distant. If it weren't for that, I probably would have kept them. They are plenty fun to listen to, with sweet soundstage and imaging, but I just couldn't get over the mids.

 

I'd recommend looking into the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro (80ohms). They are better than the Pro 750's in just about every way, save for the sparkley highs. They are more comfortable (and secure!), isolate better, have much better mids, and an overall more neutral sound. They lack a little of the bass the 750's have, but I still consider them to be a little bass heavy.

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I have some question's about these headphones. First off how stable are these? Will I have to make a conscious effort to keep these on my head? Also, how comfortable are these? I used to have a pair of Bowers & Wilkins P5 headphones and I liked the sound quality (although they were my first pair of headphones having only previously owned cheap earphones that probably didn't exceed 20 bucks so anything would've sounded better than that!) but I had to walk at the pace of a snail and I always had to point my head up so that they wouldn't fall off! Plus they got uncomfortable too fast (despite B&W's claims of these phones being comfortable to wear for hours). Now I have a pair of  Incase Sonic headphones and they are stable and EXTREMELY comfortable plus they sound good too. Anyway, how transparent sounding are these? Is there a lot of coloration (like I have heard Ultrasone is infamous for) or not? How natural sounding are they? And I also have one request . . . can somebody supply a frequency response graph for these? I think that is all (if it isn't I will post whatever else I have to ask in another post). Any help would be greatly appreciated especially if somebody could get their hands on a FR graph for these phones.



They stay on your head. They aren't the best for head-banging, but they are the most stable headphone I currently own.

 

They're pretty comfortable, wearing them for 16 hours at a time wasn't uncommon for me (I wear them when doing CGI work). The P5's are on ear, where the Pro 750's are around ear, so they should be more comfortable. Your ear will touch the baffle a bit, but it isn't too bad. What's nice is that they come with 2 pairs of the speed switch pads, which you can swap out really quick if the ones you are using are getting a bit flat (and by the time your second pair gets flat, the first pair will be puffed out again!). I usually switch them out every 6-8 hours, and it takes maybe 30 minutes to an hour for them to go back to full size (they only get a bit smaller). The pads are velour, which keeps your ears cool, which is nice too.

 

Lotsa coloration, ultrasone style (you'll love them or hate them). However, most headphones at that price (including the P5's and the sonics I bet) are colored at least a little. Ultrasone coloration is unique, I for one like the signature, they're exciting and dramatic. However, they're not natural at all, really; very cold, quick, and surgical. Awesome for electronic music. They're also bass monsters (much like their bigger brother the Pro 900).

 

What music do you listen to?

 

I found a FR graph for their bigger brother, the Pro 900 (they're very similar in signature):

 

graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=933

 

Also, unless you're used to the higher end headphones, these buggers are *big*. They're not the biggest headphones out there (not the biggest I own either), but they will look large on your head. Though if you ignore the haters, you'll like 'em. If you want to walk around with them (I didn't do that much), use the coiled cable that comes with them, and get a small portable amp like the E7 or the CMOY.


Edited by Taowolf51 - 2/23/12 at 5:45am
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Thank you both of you and thank you Taowolf51 for the FR graph for the pro 900. Also, I don't care about wearing full-size headphones in public so that won't be a problem . . . I really could care less about what other people think about me wearing full size phones. In answer to your question about what music I listen to, I like rock, hip-hop/rap (prefer the 90's for that genre), alternative, blues, r&b, classical all of the top of my head.

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The Pro 750's will sound best with electronic music and more modern rap (since it has strong electronic base), but personally, I think the Pro 750's sound quite nice with everything. A pair of headphones like the Denon D2000's are definitely more well rounded and better for people who listen to pretty much all genres. They have very different bass than the Ultrasones. The Ultrasones feature a very strong midbass, which is most commonly what the average consumer calls "bass". Beats have a strong midbass focus, though they don't stand up to the Pro 750's in *any* category (they're just...bad, bad). Midbass gives a good punch to bassy areas and even some punch to less bassy areas. The Ultrasones are quick and surgical; fairly cold in signature. The Denons have a very strong subbass, subbass is lower than midbass, and doesn't quite show up as often as midbass. Headphones with a subbass focus can be misinterpreted as headphones with very little bass in the beginning, but once your ears adjust, you'll be amazed at how low they go. They're more relaxed and warmer, but still immensely quick, precise, and punchy.

Personally, I think both are good options. Some people will say the Ultrasones aren't good for things like Rock and Classical, and while they *may* not be as good as the denons for them, I've rocked out to rock music, and had my soul shattered by classical music with the Ultrasones and the Denons. I think you'd love either.

 

Full Disclosure: I have the Pro 750's and the Denon D7000's, and while I consider *my* Denons to be mind-blowingly better than my Ultrasones, I'm extrapolating to try to compare the D2000's to the Pro 750's. My Denons are in a very different league (both price wise and sound wise) than the Ultrasones. The D2000's have a very similar price, and may even be cheaper than the Ultrasones.


Edited by Taowolf51 - 2/23/12 at 3:53pm
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You know, from the way I hear a lot of people describe these phones I think I might not like them very much . . . in fact I might actually hate them! I think if Bowers & Wilkins released a new pair of full-size cans that I would give them a second chance even though I HATED the P5's. I do like their MM-1's that I listened to at the Apple Store in my local mall. By the way, could somebody tell me how some of B&W's products sound too? I would like to know about 2 of their products . . . the Zeppelin Air and the P5's. I say the P5's even though I have listened to them before because I liked the SQ but I would like to know if the SQ is actually good and if it is truly 'natural' as they advertise. Also I would like to know how transparent/ how much they color the sound and lastly I would like to know how flat the FR is. I would like to know all of this for the Zeppelin Air as well and a FR graph would be nice for both of these products too. Sorry if I come across as having no experience in these matter's but I don't, I am pretty new at this and have never really heard good quality audio and audio products.


Edited by kingalekay - 2/28/12 at 5:32pm
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WOW! I have looked in a few places online and a lot of people are saying that the Zeppelin Air dock does NOT have a good price to performance ratio and that it sounds bad and the sound isn't natural. I have heard that the sound is colored and I have heard a lot of other bad things about this. I don't know I will just have to wait to hear your opinions on the matter.

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Does anybody know how a B&O BeoSound 8 would compare to the Zeppelin Air?

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Never mind everybody I don't need any help anymore . . . I am closing this thread.

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