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Don't understand the LCD-2 Rev. 2 Hype

post #1 of 30
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I have the LCD-2 Rev. 2 paired with a Schiit Lyr Amp, and a Asynch USB DAC feeding that at 24/192 through use of Moon-Audio BL-1 Silver Sonic RCAs. LCD-2 Rev. 2 is connected to Lyr through the new FLAT stock Audez'e Cable.

 

I had recently returned a pair of HE-500 due to a design flaw in the gimbal which caused the whole headband to detach from the earpiece. Therefore I switched to the LCD-2 Rev. 2.

 

I am having difficulty understanding the love for these headphones. While I don't think they are "bad" headphones, I think the HE-500 absolutely kill the LCD-2 Rev. 2 in every sound category, except maybe Bass. The soundstage is extremely closed-in, leading to what I feel is a lack of detail and separation. Highs/trebles seem subdued, things such as snare drums and cymbals seem distant and lacking, almost to a point where I feel they sound un-realistic.

 

I have also owned HD-650's, Denon AH-D2000, Grado HF-2, Alessandro MS-1i, and MTPCs in the past. So I feel I have enough experience to be able to know the differences between brands and the sound profiles accompanying each. 

 

Bands such as Beirut, Devotchka, Dave Matthews Band, and Counting Crows all struggle using these headphones. These bands could all be considered "hybrid" as they share unique instrumentals in addition to rock-type instrumentals (guitars, drums, etc.). Instruments get muddled, vocals seem to cover up details from the background.

 

I feel that Female vocals are not anywhere near as good as they could be.

 

If anyone has recommendations on how to improve my experience, I'm all ears (literally, the LCD-2's are on the stand).

 

 

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And yes I am using FLAC Audio files.

post #3 of 30

takes a while to get use to the dark sound sig.. because of their recessed highs it affects the soundstage too.. from the headphones u owned ( except the hd650 ) they are all pretty bright headphones and changing to a darker sounding one might cause u to find the lcd2 lifeless in a way..

 

i changed the pads to the large grado pads which really brought out the highs and in turn improved many aspects of the headphones, but u do loose some of the bass impact :D

 

hope this helps

post #4 of 30

Curious as to how many hours you have  on the LCD-2's...

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They were purchased from Drew at Moon Audio, and were used at last years Rocky Mountain Audio Fest, I am not the original owner. I have approximately 60-80 hours of use on them myself.

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I have found the D2000 to be absolutely terrible headphones, not even worth $50. Doesn't mean they're bad (well to me they are), just not the sound I'm looking for.

 

Might be the same for you.

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post #8 of 30
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Originally Posted by idletime1213 View Post

I have found the D2000 to be absolutely terrible headphones, not even worth $50. Doesn't mean they're bad (well to me they are), just not the sound I'm looking for.

 

Might be the same for you.



This thread isn't about D2000's, its about Audez'e LCD-2 Rev. 2?

post #9 of 30

He's trying to make the point that sound is SUBJECTIVE. One man's garbage is another man's treasure. There is no accounting for taste. etc.

 

Simply put, the LCD-2 r.2 are not for you.

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Originally Posted by Neosk View Post

He's trying to make the point that sound is SUBJECTIVE. One man's garbage is another man's treasure. There is no accounting for taste. etc.

 

Simply put, the LCD-2 r.2 are not for you.

I understand the D2000's are not that good as top-tier headphones, thats why they sell for $199. I find the D2000's treble to be extremely sibilant and sharp.
 

However, I find it Interesting how I found that HE-500's to sound so different from the LCD-2 Rev. 2 though. There have often been comparisons between the two, due to their relatively similar design style, and obviously same technology used. I just can't see how anyone is even making those comparisons now, having heard both for an extended period of time.

 

I find in terms of sound profile, that you cannot compare these two headphones. The HiFiMan's HE-500 with stock supplied HE-6 OCC copper Cord absolutely smash the LCD-2 Rev. 2.

post #11 of 30

I find the HE-500 and R2 to be quite similar.

 

In fact, I"d wager if you poll majority of head-fiers, most will come to the same conclusion. Why are you asking us why they don't sound good for YOU? We obviously cannot answer that as a lot of people love the R2 and will not be able to predict how they enter your ears and interact with your brain. Just sell and cut losses.

 

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Let's put it this way, if you look at any forum post involving the LCD-2 Rev. 2 and the HE-500, 90% of posts will recommend the LCD-2 Rev. 2 based on nothing else but that the LCD-2 Rev. 2 is "superior", "better", or "stronger"when compared to the HE-500.

 

All I am saying is that is absolutely false. And to consider that the HE-500's are 70% of the cost of the LCD-2 Rev. 2 this makes the point even stronger.

post #13 of 30

You're interjecting your subjective opinion as absolute fact. First off, understand that sound is subjective to every person, then maybe you'd understand why people like certain headphones and hate others.

 

Like I said, I consider the Porta Pro to be a better headphone than the D2000. When I see someone say the D2000 is one of the best sub $300 headphones, I don't consider his opinion "absolutely false", since it probably is true for him.

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Originally Posted by idletime1213 View Post

I find the HE-500 and R2 to be quite similar.

 

In fact, I"d wager if you poll majority of head-fiers, most will come to the same conclusion. Why are you asking us why they don't sound good for YOU? We obviously cannot answer that as a lot of people love the R2 and will not be able to predict how they enter your ears and interact with your brain. Just sell and cut losses.

 



If they sound so similar, why does everyone argue that the LCD-2 Rev. 2 are so much better?

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Originally Posted by Androktasiai View Post

Let's put it this way, if you look at any forum post involving the LCD-2 Rev. 2 and the HE-500, 90% of posts will recommend the LCD-2 Rev. 2 based on nothing else but that the LCD-2 Rev. 2 is "superior", "better", or "stronger"when compared to the HE-500.

 

All I am saying is that is absolutely false. And to consider that the HE-500's are 70% of the cost of the LCD-2 Rev. 2 this makes the point even stronger.

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Originally Posted by Androktasiai View Post

If they sound so similar, why does everyone argue that the LCD-2 Rev. 2 are so much better?


Because of their own biases. Not much different from the ones you'll have for the HE-500, as evidenced by the "absolutely false" in your first quotation.

 

Maybe you got a bad LCD-2. There's some pretty damning product variation for something that sells for so much.

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