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post #16 of 31

I find most songs don't really have vocals centered if you really concentrate on it...

 

Or might just be psychoacoustics lol.

post #17 of 31
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by silwen View Post

TS, I tried the track you posted on my HD800, RS-1i and Linn Majik 109 speakers. 

The vocals are slightly to the left for all three and most obvious on the speakers but nevertheless very noticeable on the HD800s. Your ears and phones are fine. If they aren't to the left of this recording on your other cans, it might be that they aren't as good as the HD800s in terms of imaging. 

 

Edit: I actually mean that for the HD800s, the left biased main vocals are only very noticeable because you have brought it to my attention, it's still very obvious on the speakers though. 


Thanks for your listen! Glad to know others have similar results. I suspect the speakers are more obvious because of its substantially larger and realistic soundstage.

 

Can anyone else take a listen to the track and confirm their findings?

 

 

 

post #18 of 31

Just had a listen on my Grado's and the vocal is very slightly to the left.

post #19 of 31

it's sounded center at first but when i downmix the sound to mono in foobar it sounded a little to the right. is my hd650 screwed?

post #20 of 31
Quote:
Originally Posted by silwen View Post

TS, I tried the track you posted on my HD800, RS-1i and Linn Majik 109 speakers. 

The vocals are slightly to the left for all three and most obvious on the speakers but nevertheless very noticeable on the HD800s. Your ears and phones are fine. If they aren't to the left of this recording on your other cans, it might be that they aren't as good as the HD800s in terms of imaging. 

 

Edit: I actually mean that for the HD800s, the left biased main vocals are only very noticeable because you have brought it to my attention, it's still very obvious on the speakers though. 


Hang on, didn't he say that the vocals were centred on the 800 but off-centre on the other phones? So if you find the vocals off-centre, doesn't that mean the other phones are more accurate than the 800 (which figures anyway, since it's more likely one phone is wrong than 3 others are). So how come you're saying  "If they aren't to the left of this recording on your other cans, it might be that they aren't as good as the HD800s in terms of imaging." I'm confused.  
 

 

post #21 of 31
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I'm confused.  
I think that's the general consensus of everyone in this thread.
post #22 of 31

So after reading this thread, I decided to switch out my amplifier cables, and everything seems centered now lol.

post #23 of 31
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Originally Posted by mrksgrn View Post

I'd appreciate it if those with LCD-2s and/or HD800s can comment on the centering of vocals in this track:

 

http://s1.sftp.cc/sounddump/01_annabel.mp3

 

What I hear is that the main vocals are in the center but very slightly to the left. This was one of the tracks tested on the HD800 that felt perfect centered.

 

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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post


Hang on, didn't he say that the vocals were centred on the 800 but off-centre on the other phones? So if you find the vocals off-centre, doesn't that mean the other phones are more accurate than the 800 (which figures anyway, since it's more likely one phone is wrong than 3 others are). So how come you're saying  "If they aren't to the left of this recording on your other cans, it might be that they aren't as good as the HD800s in terms of imaging." I'm confused.  
 

 

 

Good question. I read the part where he said the vocals are to the left. Then he contradicted himself in saying that this is perfectly centred. I think what he meant is that the track sounds perfectly centred with the exception of the vocals. Either way, I am sure I heard it with a left bias and very obviously so on the speakers. Either that, or i'm going deaf in the right ear. 

 

All my gear imaged the vocals to be off centre and assuming I am not going deaf (I hope not), the left bias with the vocals would mean that the recording is designed as such. 


If it is most obvious on the HD800 but difficult to determine with other cans, it implies that the HD800 has better imaging and sound staging than the RS-1i I tried it on. 

 

Anyway I just gave another recording a test on mono and the volume on both sides sounded just as loud. I shouldn't be the cans or the ears then (touch wood).

Hope this clarifies things.

 

post #24 of 31
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Originally Posted by mrksgrn View Post

I'd appreciate it if those with LCD-2s and/or HD800s can comment on the centering of vocals in this track:

 

http://s1.sftp.cc/sounddump/01_annabel.mp3

 

What I hear is that the main vocals are in the center but very slightly to the left. This was one of the tracks tested on the HD800 that felt perfect centered.


To me, the vocals are slightly on the left, they switch to slightly on the right if I reverse the channels with Foobar, and settle back right in the middle if I downmix to mono.

post #25 of 31

Just picked up a pair of HD800's for a very good price and have had another listen to your track and the vocal sounds a bit more to the left than with the Grado's biggrin.gif

post #26 of 31
Thread Starter 

Can anyone post a track that they think have vocals that are completely centered on HD800, LCD-2, or comparable headphone?

post #27 of 31

Try the mono Beach Boys Pet Sounds CD, or early Kinks which is all in mono.

post #28 of 31

Most if not all the Beatles recordings were mono if I am not mistaken. 

post #29 of 31
Oh I hated Peachtree, anything from this source/amp sounded muddy to me. should try different amp.
post #30 of 31

Yes, I agreed that the vocal is slightly to the left with LCD-2 rev 2.

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