Originally Posted by shotgunshane
You have implied they didn't get proper seal and fit and that only if they had, there would not be shouty mids. That is my issue your assertation. If you don't hear that aspect, that's great, I have no problem with discussing it. It's all in how you presented it. In fact, it will be interesting to see your take, and those that don't hear the shouty mids, on how the new filters affect what you hear and perhaps one of you should be a tester of them as well.
I'm planning on purchasing a filter when they are released. At the moment, the demo models of the filters are permenent and can't be removed (from what Dale has told me). Since I do like the sound, I'm not going to risk putting on filters and finding out I don't like it. I have no clue on what is causing the shouty mids; there are way too many variables. I have an idea of what the shoutyness is based on what I originally heard when I first tried on the IEMs, but that was due to an insertion depth issue. My definition of shoutyness includes a mix of the following to create a shouty sound:
- Slight resonance
It doesn't help that I don't have a specific definition to look for. I did hear shoutyness (look above for what I heard in the higher midrange) when I first put them on, but again, insertion depth and a swap of tips fixed all of that. All I really know is that a lot of people are hearing this shoutyness, tips can change the amount of shoutyness in there, and decrease it at times. I also know there are a few people (no including myself) that feel the same way I do, no shoutyness. I do know that there are a lot of causes of of some of the above descriptions of what I think shoutyness is including:
- Insertion depth
- Length of ear canal (this can attribute to resonance)
- Insertion angle
- Preference of sound
- Ears sensitivity to certain frequencies
I then go and take a look at how likely any of these causes are likely to attribute to a mass of people. I'm as interested as you are to see why there are a few that don't hear it at all while lots hear it entirely. So length of ear canal and sensitivity to certain frequencies are removed from the table (the chances of just two people being sensitive to the same degree to a certain frequency is rare) and ear canal length is also not a cause.
What's left is the insertion depth, seal, insertion angle, and preference of sound. We have already had one person get theirs fixed due to insertion angle, depth and seal simply because he was inserting it wrong the whole time (his story was in the Aurisonics thread). I honestly think the cause of all of these is a mix of the above reasons. It could be the depth, seal, angle, and sound preferences all coming together. I haven't, however, left out the idea that there could be another cause. One example of this would be the formal definition of how we view shouty as there is no set definition yet. It's hard for me to hear something when I might have the wrong definition (I only have an idea of what I think it is). Another idea is the IEM they are coming from. If coming from an extremely warm, smooth IEM, these can seem a bit hard.
I only state the fit thing because one person here figured out that he himself was putting the IEMs in wrong all along while others are posting tips on insertion. Is it a possibility that it is entirely because of my preference, sure. That would also mean that half the people who own these right now (about 8-9; four of which, including myself, don't hear shoutyness) also have the preference for it while the other half don't.
Edited by tinyman392 - 3/18/12 at 1:52pm