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post #436 of 4412
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Originally Posted by devgru View Post

$20 armature and it sells for 540 USD. ;)

 

First off.  Think about R&D.  But ignoring costs derived from the very fact that they are able to charge a premium, I'm sure the driver from Knowles costs 50-150 dollars from what I've seen.   Furthermore count the labor costs.

post #437 of 4412

They are $20 retail so probably even less to fitear but there's much we don't know. Do they select drivers? A high rejection rate changes things radically and I've found that many smaller specialty manufacturers do just that. How many do they make per their tolling costs, etc. etc.  I also don't really care what's in it. If you based a purchase to what every highend IEM cost in available parts, you'd never buy one. I'm happy that I have.


Edited by goodvibes - 7/9/12 at 2:54pm
post #438 of 4412
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post   Now I get it but the 4x position still gives a 49 ohm device?

 

The 4X position is supposed to be a 'compromise' between the P and the S; I'm not sure why they diagrammed it.

post #439 of 4412
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Originally Posted by Cassadian View Post

 

First off.  Think about R&D.  But ignoring costs derived from the very fact that they are able to charge a premium, I'm sure the driver from Knowles costs 50-150 dollars from what I've seen.   Furthermore count the labor costs.

As Vibes stated they're $20.each. The TWFK is $50 or so in quantity. I realize most products like this reflect R&D investment over capital, but it's still a universal. I love the W3s that I paid $260 for, and that's a 3-way with crossover. I'll admit that titanium is tough to machine and the market will determine if $550-650 (PriceJapan) is justified. Personally I'd like to have the 111, but don't think it will sell well at that figure and the competition is fierce. I was ready to pull the trigger on the 334 but read they're not optimal for electronica. However, I'd love to try 'em.

post #440 of 4412
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Originally Posted by Swimsonny View Post

£350 for a glorified ER4 is going to be a tough nut to swallow but then there are a lot of reasons why i would prefer this.

 

 

Because it is made in Japan, has excellent build quality and the brand is used by majority of Japanese artists? ;)

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Because it is made in Japan, has excellent build quality and the brand is used by majority of Japanese artists? wink.gif
I didn't say unjustified, from onlooker who's tried neither this or ER4, I would chose this any day and. Looks to be a white wash. I am a huge fan of customs made universal as well.
post #442 of 4412

I worked out the costs and they're sky high to import. So I guess I'll just have to look our for this:

http://aloaudio.com/sxc-24-iem-cable-fitear.html

post #443 of 4412
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Originally Posted by devgru View Post

$20 armature and it sells for 540 USD. ;)

the 520$ markup will compensate for all the years they spent on R&D.

and I also want to add that IEM tuning is no fun at all, imagine doing critical listening for months and it doesn't even come close to your expectations biggrin.gif

post #444 of 4412

For those who want their FitEar TG 334 fix you can now get them through ALO Audio:

 

http://aloaudio.com/fitear-togo-334.html

 

So I am assuming that they might start to carry the 111's in the near future.

post #445 of 4412

The ER4s absolutely doesn't need amping, but it survives amping well and plays very nice to amps that are simply sub-par. I've never found difficulties driving it and I doubt that at regular (safe) listening levels, anyone else would either, unless the output source is really rubbish. The 111 almost certainly is harder to drive in terms of impedance/frequency response/effects on THD, stereo image, etc.

 

But, volume, you will get, no problem.

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Also, the ER-4S requires amping, in this case which the 111 will be great if it sounds like the 4S but without amping required.

post #446 of 4412
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The ER4s absolutely doesn't need amping, but it survives amping well and plays very nice to amps that are simply sub-par. I've never found difficulties driving it and I doubt that at regular (safe) listening levels, anyone else would either, unless the output source is really rubbish. The 111 almost certainly is harder to drive in terms of impedance/frequency response/effects on THD, stereo image, etc.

 

But, volume, you will get, no problem.


Really? Because I had to almost max the volume out in order to get a decent volume, and they certainly sounded better when using an amp. 

But will the 111 be more sensitive? 

post #447 of 4412
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Originally Posted by tranhieu View Post

the 520$ markup will compensate for all the years they spent on R&D.

and I also want to add that IEM tuning is no fun at all, imagine doing critical listening for months and it doesn't even come close to your expectations biggrin.gif

You nor I have no idea how many man hours were spent on this product. But I still want 'em! Elasticity of demand will decide. If they're still available in a year (at >$500) then I am clearly wrong in my opinion.


Edited by devgru - 7/10/12 at 9:53am
post #448 of 4412

Higher volume ALWAYS sounds better than lower volume - it is just a psychoacoustic property of the ear. I listen to volumes of less than 85dB in all situations, most often settling between 70-75dB, in which case, almost every single player I've used naked has no problem with the ER4s. Maybe if you are listening for volumes of 85-95dB (dangerous levels), an amp is necessary. 

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Really? Because I had to almost max the volume out in order to get a decent volume, and they certainly sounded better when using an amp. 

But will the 111 be more sensitive? 

The 111 is more sensitive, yes. But again, I don't listen to loud volumes, so sensitivity is actually a problem for me. I prefer earphones like my GR8 that are over 100Ω, though the 118dB is a bit too much in that earphone. 

post #449 of 4412
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Higher volume ALWAYS sounds better than lower volume - it is just a psychoacoustic property of the ear.

 

I'd say that depends on the IEM's sound signature, I think that rather V-shaped phones (e.g. the FX700) sound better at low volume than high volume. Of course, with flat ones like the ETYs, I agree with you.

post #450 of 4412

^  I agree. Although I haven't heard the FX700, the CKM99 sounds better at low & medium volume levels than at higher volumes -- in fact, it's the only reason I never sold it because I only listen to the CKM99 at (very) low volumes. The K3003 is a very interesting IEM in that it's the only phone I've heard that sounds excellent at any volume.


Edited by music_4321 - 7/11/12 at 12:25am
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