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If any of you have an Android phone, I highly recommend Neutron player app with 64-bit processing.  I'm using Samsung Galaxy s4 snapdragon with 1.2 ohms output impedance and it sounds fantastic!  :gs1000smile: Great portable. 

post #3422 of 3832
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I'm having withdrawals.  My first headphones withdrawals ever.  :(  

 

I have the 846 which I am going to return because it cannot compared to 334 IMO.  I don't like 846 vocals, it's too grainy, but at the same time, you feel the grains.  I don't mind grainy as long as it's not so pronounced.  334, the vocals are wonderful, nice and wide and detailed without the grain being so pronounced.  I personally think if it's grainy and too forward it becomes too fatiguing after a long time and music starts to sound terrible.  Not with 334, it's great for extended listing, believe me I've had 4-5 hours pass by without me knowing that much time has passed by.

 

I don't think the Sure signature of grainy sound is really that great, matter a fact, it's the very reason why I hate Shures.  

 

Is Hidition like that?  Is that what is meant by clarity?  The really forward grainy vocals?

Hidition is indeed smooth, it's actually a little fuller and smoother than 334 in the upper mid - lower treble region :) 

 

To my ears, 334 sounds more like VE S3 rather than S2. 

 

The vocals on 334 are really top class, especially on female, well mixed vocals. The coherence of mid and treble is one of the best I have ever heard from a earphone.

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After a few hours, I really love the sound of to go 334. This is probably the earphone that sound most different from the impressions I have been reading from everybody. 

 

On my desktop source, it sounds very very accurate and neutral. The mid range is indeed one of the best I have ever heard from a earphone. I always thought 334 had big, lazy bass, very thick mid and dark treble. It's not at all. I am surprised because this sounds nothing like the one I demoed in HK...I don't think there is any hump or cut within the frequency range of 20 - 10000 Hz. The treble extension isn't the best in all my CIEMs, technically it's a little lacking compared to SE5 or NT6, but the tone of the sound is so good, clean, clear, smooth with almost perfect placement of vocals. It can even bring out the unnaturalness my SE5 and NT6.

 

334 sounds a lot like the K10 I demoed few weeks ago, but 334 has a touch of analytical edge which was absent in K10. K10 is a little smoother and bassier. 

 

I am glad I got myself a pair of TG334 ;) 

 

Update: I think I know why impression of 334 varies largely from one to another. It's a universal IEM, so tips play huge parts in the sound presentation. More importantly, 334 is the most sensitive IEM I have come across hands down, so different sources can easily change the sound of 334 to different signatures.

 

334 has background hiss on almost all my sources apart from the desktop source.


Edited by tupac0306 - 3/20/14 at 10:23am
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After a few hours, I really love the sound of to go 334. This is probably the earphone that sound most different from the impressions I have been reading from everybody. 

 

On my desktop source, it sounds very very accurate and neutral. The mid range is indeed one of the best I have ever heard from a earphone. I always thought 334 had big, lazy bass, very thick mid and dark treble. It's not at all. I am surprised because this sounds nothing like the one I demoed in HK...I don't think there is any hump or cut within the frequency range of 20 - 10000 Hz. The treble extension isn't the best in all my CIEMs, technically it's a little lacking compared to SE5 or NT6, but the tone of the sound is so good, clean, clear, smooth with almost perfect placement of vocals. It can even bring out the unnaturalness my SE5 and NT6.

 

334 sounds a lot like the K10 I demoed few weeks ago, but 334 has a touch of analytical edge which was absent in K10. K10 is a little smoother and bassier. 

 

I am glad I got myself a pair of TG334 ;) 

 

Update: I think I know why impression of 334 varies largely from one to another. It's a universal IEM, so tips play huge parts in the sound presentation. More importantly, 334 is the most sensitive IEM I have come across hands down, so different sources can easily change the sound of 334 to different signatures.

 

334 has background hiss on almost all my sources apart from the desktop source.

Your post definitely confirms my experience with the 334. The first 10 month it was basically “big, lazy bass, very thick mid and dark treble” for me as well. Once I got the right tips (Sennheiser CX300 medium stock tips), the right shallow insertion depth without any kind of vacuum/underpressure - It’s amazing to hear the very dramatic difference in sound inserting it just one millimetre deeper or shallower - , and the right insertion angle it changed my perception of it completely. For me it was simply a revolution. I had no idea I had such a fantastic gem in my possession. I wouldn’t be surprised if the explanation for this ear tip sensitivity depends on the advanced triple outlet design.

I don’t think it can’t be emphasized enough; ear tips and how they’re inserted do “play a huge part in the sound presentation” of the 334. Or, put another way; do not underestimate what a huge part ear tips and how they’re inserted play in the sound presentation of the 334.;)

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If any of you have an Android phone, I highly recommend Neutron player app with 64-bit processing.  I'm using Samsung Galaxy s4 snapdragon with 1.2 ohms output impedance and it sounds fantastic!  :gs1000smile: Great portable. 

Sounds like it's time to move up from my iPhone 4S, which has a cracked display anyway. Thanks!


Edited by Aero Dynamik - 3/20/14 at 2:51pm
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Your post definitely confirms my experience with the 334. The first 10 month it was basically “big, lazy bass, very thick mid and dark treble” for me as well. Once I got the right tips (Sennheiser CX300 medium stock tips), the right shallow insertion depth without any kind of vacuum/underpressure - It’s amazing to hear the very dramatic difference in sound inserting it just one millimetre deeper or shallower - , and the right insertion angle it changed my perception of it completely. For me it was simply a revolution. I had no idea I had such a fantastic gem in my possession. I wouldn’t be surprised if the explanation for this ear tip sensitivity depends on the advanced triple outlet design.


I don’t think it can’t be emphasized enough; ear tips and how they’re inserted do “play a huge part in the sound presentation” of the 334. Or, put another way; do not underestimate what a huge part ear tips and how they’re inserted play in the sound presentation of the 334.wink.gif

I guess this is another reason to go custom if funds allow it. Since you get optimal sound without having to fiddle around too much.
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I guess this is another reason to go custom if funds allow it. Since you get optimal sound without having to fiddle around too much.

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Your post definitely confirms my experience with the 334. The first 10 month it was basically “big, lazy bass, very thick mid and dark treble” for me as well. Once I got the right tips (Sennheiser CX300 medium stock tips), the right shallow insertion depth without any kind of vacuum/underpressure - It’s amazing to hear the very dramatic difference in sound inserting it just one millimetre deeper or shallower - , and the right insertion angle it changed my perception of it completely. For me it was simply a revolution. I had no idea I had such a fantastic gem in my possession. I wouldn’t be surprised if the explanation for this ear tip sensitivity depends on the advanced triple outlet design.


I don’t think it can’t be emphasized enough; ear tips and how they’re inserted do “play a huge part in the sound presentation” of the 334. Or, put another way; do not underestimate what a huge part ear tips and how they’re inserted play in the sound presentation of the 334.wink.gif

I guess this is another reason to go custom if funds allow it. Since you get optimal sound without having to fiddle around too much.

I have definitely considered giving it another try, but I really think human ear canals are superior when it comes to transporting sound waves in the most natural/organic way. Anyway, that is my experience from comparing my EarSonics EM6 CIEM with my TOTL UIEMs (334, K3003, ER-4S) so I've decided not to go there again. I've had two pairs of CIEMs and this is how I would summarize my experience.

Comfort, sound and isolation of CIEMs (at least in my experience) depend on the position of the facial muscles and the body as a whole. I see a possibility that people with no previous experience of CIEMs may be lead to believe that CIEMs are the be‑all and end‑all in IEM design. For those I think it may be of value to know that acrylic CIEMs are rigid, very rigid (think glass), while ear canals are very flexible. This, at least for me, limits the use of CIEMs. As soon as I move my facial muscles (like when smiling) or deviate too much from the position of the body as it were when the impressions were made, like when laying down on my back in bed (my preferred position when listening to music), the shape of the ear canals changes and consequently affects the isolation, sound and comfort. I would say that (at least for me) CIEMs are ruled out whenever I’m not keeping my head in the upright position it was when the impressions were made. In this respect I find the flexibility of UIEMs to be a major advantage. So, these days I always go for UIEMs.

 

EDIT: I don't know how many times I've asked people in what ways CIEMs sound better than UIEMs but never got a clear or decisive answer. However, if you care to elaborate on CIEM "optimal sound", by all means please do. Oops, misread you post, sorry!


Edited by Aero Dynamik - 3/20/14 at 3:41pm
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I have definitely considered giving it another try, but I really think human ear canals are superior when it comes to transporting sound waves in the most natural/organic way.

Yes, after a listen with the 334 universals and tip rolling I've realized maybe customs aren't superior after all.  Maybe there are some strengths to shallow fit universals.

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I think it may be of value to know that acrylic CIEMs are rigid, very rigid (think glass), while ear canals are very flexible. This, at least for me, limits the use of CIEMs.

 

True, but there are many TOTL CIEM's that are made of softer silicone that don't have the inflexability problem (Sensaphonics, Spiral Ears, Noble 'S' Series, Custom Arts, etc.)

post #3431 of 3832

the power of CIEMs comes from how messed up your ears are IMO. we are clearly not equals when it comes to chaotic ear canals, and in some cases I suspect it must alter the sound from an IEM quite a lot (and generate big differences from left and right). CIEMs do solve a big part of that.

now if you can get a good fit and have "your average ears", there is no reason universals should sound bad.

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Originally Posted by Aero Dynamik View Post
 

I think it may be of value to know that acrylic CIEMs are rigid, very rigid (think glass), while ear canals are very flexible. This, at least for me, limits the use of CIEMs.

 

True, but there are many TOTL CIEM's that are made of softer silicone that don't have the inflexability problem (Sensaphonics, Spiral Ears, Noble 'S' Series, Custom Arts, etc.)

Well that's a good point well worth to consider. I have no experience of silicone CIEMs myself, but I would expect them to be better in this respect. However, wise from many funny conclusions I've made about sound gear in the past :rolleyes: I wouldn't make the investment without some additional research...

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the power of CIEMs comes from how messed up your ears are IMO. we are clearly not equals when it comes to chaotic ear canals, and in some cases I suspect it must alter the sound from an IEM quite a lot (and generate big differences from left and right). CIEMs do solve a big part of that.

now if you can get a good fit and have "your average ears", there is no reason universals should sound bad.

Well I’m definitely not saying CIEMs are a bad thing by definition, but considering all CIEM hype that’s been going on for such a long time I think some counterweight is beneficial. Based on my personal experience I believe UIEMs would be the best solution for most people, also considering a substantially higher resale value. Conversely, for those having trouble with UIEMs for one or another reason or suspect they don’t get the best possible sound because of their anatomy then by all means do try CIEMs. However, don’t expect certain success or some implicit magic CIEM superiority, because there just isn’t any.

So, good point, I guess CIEMs can be considered a kind of hearing aid if you have problems with you ear canals which affects your hearing. After all, I would expect “chaotic ear canals” to alter the sound from any external source (natural sound, speakers, on- and over-ear headphones, etc) “quite a lot”, not just from UIEMs.


Edited by Aero Dynamik - 3/21/14 at 5:17am
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Also, I want to mention that Clip+ is a very good $20 source.  It's amazing how much juice it puts out for a little guy(I guess size really doesn't matter :basshead: ).  It's FR is neutral and it's measured to be excellent.  Sound is where it matters most, and to me it sounds excellent with lots of kick to provide that punchy low end that lots of us appreciate.  :p   It's great that 334 is sensitive that I can be listened on varieties of players.


Edited by SilverEars - 3/21/14 at 6:07am
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So, good point, I guess CIEMs can be considered a kind of hearing aid if you have problems with you ear canals which affects your hearing. After all, I would expect “chaotic ear canals” to alter the sound from any external source (natural sound, speakers, on- and over-ear headphones, etc) “quite a lot”, not just from UIEMs.

that is actually a very good point. I guess it might get even more complicated once we involve the outer ear but still if our brain "recalibrates" for real life situation, it shouldn't matter on IEM.

 

about resale value I think we're all well aware that the 334 is a very good investment. people keep asking how to get one and don't mind the price that much.

 

 

 

@silverears: I'm a clip+ lover and always have some clips around for audiobooks, sport, and backup if the main source dies on me. and I liked the sound with the 334(soundstage could be better but with a 334 you don't mind that to much, they're still fun). but with the 334 the electronic noise every 30secs or so (buffering?) is a little annoying if you don't listen to loud music. too bad, else I might just use that as my main source when going out.


Edited by castleofargh - 3/21/14 at 6:37am
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