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SilverEars, can you post a link to a phone with the TMJ large tips or a picture of the tips? I'd really like to try them, perhaps even if I have to buy a phone with them! :rolleyes: 

post #3377 of 3704
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Where can get ahold of these?  How is the friction on the material?  Are they slightly smaller bore than the stock?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160717037754?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&var=460046386683&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

 

Material is about the same as the Ortofon.  Keep in mind the shape is more squat, not as olive shape as Ortofon. Some don't care for that shape. But they work for my wide ear canals.  Bore is a tiny bit smaller than stock, much wider than Ortofon, but I've never seen a bore as large as the stock! Still, it is at least as wide as the nozzle of the iem.

post #3378 of 3704
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Originally Posted by Aero Dynamik View Post
 

SilverEars, can you post a link to a phone with the TMJ large tips or a picture of the tips? I'd really like to try them, perhaps even if I have to buy a phone with them! :rolleyes: 

Now have a Skullcandy Titan on order from ebay (14 GBP). If it doesn't work I can always give it as a present to someone I don't like. :evil:

post #3379 of 3704

These headphones are so sensitive, no amping is required.  Typically, with other IEMs I can notice a difference between my desktop dac/amp and portables such as my galaxy s4, but the 334 still shines on portables as long as you have the right fit.  Typically, the low end suffers, or the highs are not as crip, or the imaging space is smaller, but not with the 334.  It's a remarkable IEM.  Detailed and responds well to portable sources.

 

Works well with my galaxy s4.  No external DAC or Amp needed.


Edited by SilverEars - 3/16/14 at 5:08am
post #3380 of 3704
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These headphones are so sensitive, no amping is required.  Typically, with other IEMs I can notice a difference between my desktop dac/amp and portables such as my galaxy s4, but the 334 still shines on portables as long as you have the right fit.  Typically, the low end suffers, or the highs are not as crip, or the imaging space is smaller, but not with the 334.  It's a remarkable IEM.  Detailed and responds well to portable sources.

 

Works well with my galaxy s4.  No external DAC or Amp needed.

It’s a good thing you brought it up, and in principle I definitely agree with you. Actually, when I read Steve Guttenberg’s review of the 334 I was led to believe amping it would make some sort of substantial difference, and it sure did, but not the way I expected it to. The truth is I found Steve’s set up (”iPod Classic + ALO Rx-MK3B + Cypher Labs AlgoRhythm Solo”) to be quite horrible and commented it like this (can be read online as long as you’re a CNET member):

”I find the "ALO Rx-MK3B + FitEar ToGo 334" to be a very poor combination for the simple reason that the ALO Rx-MK3B hisses like a madman with the FitEar ToGo 334 (Yes, also with the gain switch set to low!). I strongly advice against this setup and so does ALO. I'm very surprised and disappointed that Steve completely ignores this fact in his review which to a large part made me invest in the ALO Rx-MK3B. I'm not very sensitive to hiss, but the “ALO Rx-MK3B + FitEar ToGo 334” combination is in my honest opinion nothing but a joke. Here is what ALO has to say about it…

’Unfortunately there is not much to be done with the RX MK3-b and FitEar combo. The 334's are very sensitive and the Rx MK3-b is very powerful and not the best suited for sensitive IEMs. The Rx MK3-b has a total of nine Op Amps operating inside of it. This is what gives the amp it's great sonic characteristics but the by-product of this is hiss with your FitEars. – Josh’”


That said I have found a rig that I think works very well for me, especially when listening at loud volumes, which I rarely do to preserve my hearing, but once in a while I enjoy “rocking out” for a few minutes. At loud volumes straight out of my iPod Classic or my iPod generation 5.5 (and other iDevices and DAPs) the sound becomes congested, unlike my rig which preserves the dynamics and all other qualities, even at loud volumes. Anyway, at normal volume levels I think a dedicated 334 rig is basically overkill and definitely not a requirement to fully enjoy the 334 at reasonable listening volumes.

 

 

The key factor in my rig is of course the CLAS -dB, but of course since it’s only a dac an amp is required, and the good thing about

the Portaphile 627X besides being rather neutral (to my ears) is that it doesn’t hiss (or at least very, very little). Personally I find it totally unacceptable if I hear hiss when listening to music, even at very low volumes.

post #3381 of 3704
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It’s a good thing you brought it up, and in principle I definitely agree with you. Actually, when I read Steve Guttenberg’s review of the 334 I was led to believe amping it would make some sort of substantial difference, and it sure did, but not the way I expected it to. The truth is I found Steve’s set up (”iPod Classic + ALO Rx-MK3B + Cypher Labs AlgoRhythm Solo”) to be quite horrible and commented it like this (can be read online as long as you’re a CNET member):

”I find the "ALO Rx-MK3B + FitEar ToGo 334" to be a very poor combination for the simple reason that the ALO Rx-MK3B hisses like a madman with the FitEar ToGo 334 (Yes, also with the gain switch set to low!). I strongly advice against this setup and so does ALO. I'm very surprised and disappointed that Steve completely ignores this fact in his review which to a large part made me invest in the ALO Rx-MK3B. I'm not very sensitive to hiss, but the “ALO Rx-MK3B + FitEar ToGo 334” combination is in my honest opinion nothing but a joke. Here is what ALO has to say about it…

’Unfortunately there is not much to be done with the RX MK3-b and FitEar combo. The 334's are very sensitive and the Rx MK3-b is very powerful and not the best suited for sensitive IEMs. The Rx MK3-b has a total of nine Op Amps operating inside of it. This is what gives the amp it's great sonic characteristics but the by-product of this is hiss with your FitEars. – Josh’”


That said I have found a rig that I think works very well for me, especially when listening at loud volumes, which I rarely do to preserve my hearing, but once in a while I enjoy “rocking out” for a few minutes. At loud volumes straight out of my iPod Classic or my iPod generation 5.5 (and other iDevices and DAPs) the sound becomes congested, unlike my rig which preserves the dynamics and all other qualities, even at loud volumes. Anyway, at normal volume levels I think a dedicated 334 rig is basically overkill and definitely not a requirement to fully enjoy the 334 at reasonable listening volumes.

 

 

The key factor in my rig is of course the CLAS -dB, but of course since it’s only a dac an amp is required, and the good thing about

the Portaphile 627X besides being rather neutral (to my ears) is that it doesn’t hiss (or at least very, very little).

Personally I find it totally unacceptable if I hear hiss when listening to music, even at very low volumes.

 

I totally agree. Really dislike any hiss.  I use a CLAS also, and use with RSA SR-71A and Vorzuge Pure II.  Both these amps also have very low floor noise and no hiss.

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I just tested the 334 with a Centrance HiFi M8 at a store and it sounds amazing to my ears. Like you, I find the 334 sounds congested straight out of my iPhone 4S, sounds like too congested lower mids. After switching to the HiFi-M8 everything sounds controlled and more detailed without any congestion. I did not experience any hiss at the low gain setting.

post #3383 of 3704
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I just tested the 334 with a Centrance HiFi M8 at a store and it sounds amazing to my ears. Like you, I find the 334 sounds congested straight out of my iPhone 4S, sounds like too congested lower mids. After switching to the HiFi-M8 everything sounds controlled and more detailed without any congestion. I did not experience any hiss at the low gain setting.


must be because you were in a noisy environment as I've seen people report some hiss on the hifi m8 with sensitive IEMs here and there while randomly wandering headfi. and thus stopped reading about it as hiss is my nemesissss. but well to be honest and true to that amp, such a powerful gear shouldn't be aimed at hyper sensitive IEMs in the first place, however good it is, that was not its purpose IMO.

post #3384 of 3704
I was at the store with a few customers talking while I was testing it. I actually didn't hear any hiss in that environment but maybe if the venue is dead silent I probably will. Btw Centrance has a fix for customers who are experiencing hiss with their super sensitive IEMs that's probably lower than 20 ohms
Edited by Francisk - 3/16/14 at 12:22pm
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Same has been said more particularly about the CL Theorem.

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None of you tried the C5D?  That's the one source I'm really curious about since they were the ones that decided to mass produce the ODAC/O2 combo which I am big fan of, but unfortunately the O2 has channel imbalance because of the pot they use.  

 

About the hiss, it's the amp, so which amp you have(if it's inside the portable device or the external DAC) should be replaced with one that produces no hiss.  For example, my ipod 5.5G produces hiss right out the headphones jack, but with an external amp connected to it, no hiss(depends on the amp though, high gain CMOy will hiss).  Here is something interesting I ran across related to this area.  This is an article regarding Galaxy S4 output impedance though, which I am happy to find out it's not too high with 1.2ohms.  Here is the article

 

http://www.jensign.com/S4Distortion/

 

 

"The final column above for R=3kohm represents the performance achievable with high impedance headphones with nominal impedance > 50ohm. Adding a high quality external headphone amplifier with an input impedance of 1kohm or greater to a smartphone will improve the audio quality, particularly if the headphones are in the lower impedance range."

 

So what this means is that if the output impedance of your portable device is too high you can connect another amp to the output to provide much better performance.  This is the reason why we use external amps I imagine.  This makes sense for low impedance headphones like the 334 since the impedance mismatch will create lots of distortion if you look at the difference in distortion for different ohmage on the chart.


Edited by SilverEars - 3/16/14 at 12:49pm
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The reason why I tested the TG334 with the HiFi-M8 is because I want to know if they pair well. I'm actually planning to get the TG334 because I'm very impressed with it's performance with the HiFi-M8 compared to stock iPhone 4S, not that it sounds bad straight off the iPhone 4S but it sure sounds more controlled in the low mid region when paired with the HiFi-M8. Btw any idea what's the impedance of the TG334. Seems to be pretty low impedance from my experience.
Edited by Francisk - 3/16/14 at 12:53pm
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I just tested the 334 with a Centrance HiFi M8 at a store and it sounds amazing to my ears. Like you, I find the 334 sounds congested straight out of my iPhone 4S, sounds like too congested lower mids. After switching to the HiFi-M8 everything sounds controlled and more detailed without any congestion. I did not experience any hiss at the low gain setting.


must be because you were in a noisy environment as I've seen people report some hiss on the hifi m8 with sensitive IEMs here and there while randomly wandering headfi. and thus stopped reading about it as hiss is my nemesissss. but well to be honest and true to that amp, such a powerful gear shouldn't be aimed at hyper sensitive IEMs in the first place, however good it is, that was not its purpose IMO.

Yes, I’m afraid that’s my impression as well, i.e. that there is no real consensus around hiss and the “HiFi-M8+334” combo. If CEntrance’s HiFi-M8 sound wise is akin to their DACport - my best sounding DAC/AMP combo - that is really a pity. I guess the only way to find out is to try it yourself. Sensitivity to hiss seems to be very individual. To me personally when music comes out of total blackness (except for my tinnitus, that is) it adds a dimension to the overall enjoyment. I can take some faint hiss when not playing music, but if I hear hiss while playing music it is an absolute deal breaker for me.

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The reason why I tested the TG334 with the HiFi-M8 is because I want to know if they pair well. I'm actually planning to get the TG334 because I'm very impressed with it's performance with the HiFi-M8 compared to stock iPhone 4S, not that it sounds bad straight off the iPhone 4S but it sure sounds more controlled in the low mid region when paired with the HiFi-M8. Btw any idea what's the impedance of the TG334. Seems to be pretty low impedance from my experience.

Did a quick search in this thread and according to it, it's this:

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Originally Posted by Saraguie View Post What is the impedance of our beloved FT!334s with the stock cable?
 

 

Should be between 43-45 ohms

 

 

That means this headphones have high SPL or sensitivity.  I thought they would have the same impedances as the customs and high end sensitive iems usually around 16ohms, I was wrong, I now see why they sound stable on my Galaxy S4.  Hiss has more to do with sensitivity though.


Edited by SilverEars - 3/16/14 at 1:04pm
post #3390 of 3704
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None of you tried the C5D?  That's the one source I'm really curious about since they were the ones that decided to mass produce the ODAC/O2 combo which I am big fan of, but unfortunately the O2 has channel imbalance because of the pot they use.  

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

About the hiss, it's the amp, so which amp you have(if it's inside the portable device or the external DAC) should be replaced with one that produces no hiss.  For example, my ipod 5.5G produces hiss right out the headphones jack, but with an external amp connected to it, no hiss(depends on the amp though, high gain CMOy will hiss).  Here is something interesting I ran across related to this area.  This is an article regarding Galaxy S4 output impedance though, which I am happy to find out it's not too high with 1.2ohms.  Here is the article

 

http://www.jensign.com/S4Distortion/

 

 

"The final column above for R=3kohm represents the performance achievable with high impedance headphones with nominal impedance > 50ohm. Adding a high quality external headphone amplifier with an input impedance of 1kohm or greater to a smartphone will improve the audio quality, particularly if the headphones are in the lower impedance range."

 

So what this means is that if the output impedance of your portable device is too high you can connect another amp to the output to provide much better performance.  This is the reason why we use external amps I imagine.  This makes sense for low impedance headphones like the 334 since the impedance mismatch will create lots of distortion if you look at the difference in distortion for different ohmage on the chart.

 

Opened JDS Labs' C5D page and read: "super fine volume control to handle sensitive headphones and IEMs". Don't know anything about it though, but thought it a bit funny in contrast to what you write. Looks like a very interesting DAC/AMP combo.

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