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I’ve now been ABing the Comply Ts-500 tips and the stock tips of my Sennheiser CX300, which seem to be identical to the Fitear black medium stock tips, but are slightly softer and for some reason give me a slightly better fit (material?/not exactly the same shape after all?/imagination?). The Sennheiser CX300 tips also have a bore diameter of 6.0 mm (outlet side) instead of the 5.5 mm diameter of the stock tips. Anyway, basically I consider them identical.

Listening to Dire Straits’ “Sultans of Swing”; with the Sennheiser and/or FitEar stock tips it feels like the musicians are bit farther away from me and a bit more spread out, plus the perceived bass response is tad less pronounced. Also, it feels like the midrange is more pronounced with the stock tips but could of course just be the result of the perceived lesser bass response. On the other hand the Comply Ts-500 tips give a more intimate experience that sounds a bit fuller, a bit “softer” and actually a bit more resolving (lots of “bit”s here, hard to avoid); very enjoyable indeed. Well, the differences are hardly “mind blowing” but definitely palpable. I really can’t say which tips I prefer. I guess it depends on my mood.

Again, a size XL Ortofon tip with a bore diameter of 5.5 mm would indeed be something I’d go for!

BTW, what a marvellous, godly good phone this is!!! :etysmile: 


Edited by Aero Dynamik - 3/13/14 at 2:28pm
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http://egadgetsandtoys.ecrater.com/p/11265003/s-m-l-clear-replacement-silicone-ear-buds

 

This is aftermarket tips, so it may not be exactly the stock. I think one of the three headphones can be had cheap if you want to get a hold of the stock tips.

 

looks like skull candy products, fmj, titan, and 50/50 tips are the same size.  Notice the large bore.

 

Thanks! Tried to order them on eBay and Amazon but none would ship to Sweden... :(

Oh, well, will give it another go tomorrow!

post #3363 of 3832
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Nevertheless I would pay dearly for a ball shaped or olive shaped silicone ear tip (preferably but not necessarily with a shallow bore extension, 2 to 3 mm) with a bore diameter of 5.5 mm (or at least 4.5 mm). Anyone?! You would win my gratitude forever and ever!






Something like these?

Well, the bore diameter looks just right, but I'd perfer something more rounded (ball/olive). Nevertheless, thanks for the picture and the effort! :bigsmile_face:

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Ok guys, another tip.  Get the right fitting tips for your ear, but not the ones that seal too tight.  I mean, don't get the ones that actually vaccume seal, I think it cause too much bass, and recesses the mids.  Also, when you find the right tips with the large enough bore, don't slide it in deep, distance it while it is sealed in the canal.  By that, I mean as you insert don't slide it in deeper than the point where it first makes a seal, stop there.

 

It's insane how tip dependant this iem is.  Tell your wives that these iems are tips dependent, and thus you must spend lots of time with them to figure it out.  They will understand if you tell them that.  :D 


Edited by SilverEars - 3/13/14 at 8:35pm
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Well, the bore diameter looks just right, but I'd perfer something more rounded (ball/olive). Nevertheless, thanks for the picture and the effort! :bigsmile_face:

 

I am in agreement with you on that one.  If you look closely at his tips they look quite like the TMJ tips, which sealed way to tight, like suction, which affects the sound.  But, that was with the large tips, so I dont' how well the medium would work, but I hope it is not too small like the stock medium.  

 

If you look closely at this tips, the sides doesn't round out like the olives, it stay straight which creates a tighter seal, which creates a woofer affect and and you lose some of the mids.  I tried my large tmj with shallow insertion just enough to create a seal but not too tight a seal, and it sounds much clearer, and bass is not much.

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One more thing I've notice, when I say don't set the iem too deep, I've realized why.  If you set it too deep, the mids sounds wayy too close, makes the vocals sound unresolved, and if you distance it, there is room inside the cannel to create a soundstange and sounds a little distanced and refined, not unresolved.

post #3368 of 3832
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Ok guys, another tip.  Get the right fitting tips for your ear, but not the ones that seal too tight.  I mean, don't get the ones that actually vaccume seal, I think it cause too much bass, and recesses the mids.  Also, when you find the right tips with the large enough bore, don't slide it in deep, distance it while it is sealed in the canal.  By that, I mean as you insert don't slide it in deeper than the point where it first makes a seal, stop there.

 

It's insane how tip dependant this iem is.  Tell your wives that these iems are tips dependent, and thus you must spend lots of time with them to figure it out.  They will understand if you tell them that.  :D 

:beerchug:

I agree with what you write to 100 %!!! The insertion procedure you describe is how I do it as well. The only thing I want to add is that I also pay a lot of attention to the insertion angel. One way to verify that the angel is optimal is to very gently push and pull on the phones in different directions while listening to one of your reference tracks. While doing this if the sound improves the fit is wrong, and if the sound deteriorates it is right. Another method which I use is to tilt my head backwards which changes the shape of - my probably rather deep - ear canals. Again, if this improves the sound the fit is wrong.

Even the slightest vacuum seal is devastating for the sound of the 334, but as I said before, can still sound good enough to make you believe you hear what this phone can achieve. With the right seal and the right insertion angel however, the 334 goes from good (even excellent) to godly.

I feel extremely silly having had the 334 in my possession for almost a year without realising what a genuine gem it is!

post #3369 of 3832

Yes, I can see what you mean about insertion angle.  These iems have excellent sound, but being a good universals hasn't been perfected.  Yes, the titanium bore, and the triple sound outlet is an innovation, but people that have ears that isn't universal friendly like you and me(I think most people are not and others probably are not aware of it), need the right tips and adjustments(since the iems were not designed like westones or shures).  I didn't learn about all this until I tried the 846 where the olives and wide bore comply are sonically different, and noticed the bass roll-off with the stock tips like you said on the 334s. I also found out my canal diameter is not symmetric, left and right.

 

I think the best option for us is customs, but I recently realized customs are not necessary the best since they are deeply inserted which may not have good affect on the sound, and universals with shallow insertion could have potential to provide better sound than customs.  Reason being is naturally our ears hear sound waves through our cannel not through a tube.

 

Hopefully the next model of togo will perfect a more univeral fit.  Even UE with TF10 I thought the fit wasn't really that great.


Edited by SilverEars - 3/14/14 at 4:32am
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I agree with what you write to 100 %!!! The insertion procedure you describe is how I do it as well. The only thing I want to add is that I also pay a lot of attention to the insertion angel. One way to verify that the angel is optimal is to very gently push and pull on the phones in different directions while listening to one of your reference tracks. While doing this if the sound improves the fit is wrong, and if the sound deteriorates it is right. Another method which I use is to tilt my head backwards which changes the shape of - my probably rather deep - ear canals. Again, if this improves the sound the fit is wrong.


Even the slightest vacuum seal is devastating for the sound of the 334, but as I said before, can still sound good enough to make you believe you hear what this phone can achieve. With the right seal and the right insertion angel however, the 334 goes from good (even excellent) to godly.
 

 

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5JE0gXUY6pnb8Wh0KMffE0drLn6CraWQNBx99KqNCZHALda75           ANGLE........


Edited by burtomr - 3/14/14 at 10:40pm
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Originally Posted by Aero Dynamik View Post
 

I agree with what you write to 100 %!!! The insertion procedure you describe is how I do it as well. The only thing I want to add is that I also pay a lot of attention to the insertion angel. One way to verify that the angel is optimal is to very gently push and pull on the phones in different directions while listening to one of your reference tracks. While doing this if the sound improves the fit is wrong, and if the sound deteriorates it is right. Another method which I use is to tilt my head backwards which changes the shape of - my probably rather deep - ear canals. Again, if this improves the sound the fit is wrong.


Even the slightest vacuum seal is devastating for the sound of the 334, but as I said before, can still sound good enough to make you believe you hear what this phone can achieve. With the right seal and the right insertion angel however, the 334 goes from good (even excellent) to godly.
 

 

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5JE0gXUY6pnb8Wh0KMffE0drLn6CraWQNBx99KqNCZHALda75           ANGLE........

Just making sure you're awake, ok! ;)

 

Anyway, with the 334 the angle can be an angel!

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Angel-angle

 

 

How about  'lose' and 'loose'        arrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

post #3373 of 3832

I received the aftermarket TMJ tips, and it doesn't have the same silicon material with lots of friction, and the bore is small.  I would not advice getting aftermarket tips.

 

I highly recommend the stock TMJ large tips and you only insert it up to the point when it begins a seal.  Then you won't lose the mids, and there will be lots of separation to the sound, and tight bass, and won't get the woofer affect.  So don't stick it in all the way.  Play around with the angle also. Even if you ear canal is small this should work since you are not sticking it in all the way, just enough to creat a seal, so large works fine.  The material has lots of friction, so it stays in place.

 

I've learned a quite a lot regarding tips from TG334.  


Edited by SilverEars - 3/15/14 at 11:35am
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They look similar to the generic Sony replacements I found on Ebay. Head-fier Gmahler tried them also, and wasn't crazy about them, but I still prefer over Ortofon.  They're what I'm using right now, as I experiment with opening the bore of some Comply T500's!  Everyone's ear canal is different, so caveat emptor.

 

 

Where can get ahold of these?  How is the friction on the material?  Are they slightly smaller bore than the stock?

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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

I received the aftermarket TMJ tips, and it doesn't have the same silicon material with lots of friction, and the bore is small.  I would not advice getting aftermarket tips.

 

I highly recommend the stock TMJ large tips and you only insert it up to the point when it begins a seal.  Then you won't lose the mids, and there will be lots of separation to the sound, and tight bass, and won't get the woofer affect.  So don't stick it in all the way.  Play around with the angle also. Even if you ear canal is small this should work since you are not sticking it in all the way, just enough to creat a seal, so large works fine.  The material has lots of friction, so it stays in place.

 

I've learned a quite a lot regarding tips from TG334.  

SilverEars, can you post a link to a phone with the TMJ large tips or a picture of the tips? I'd really like to try them, perhaps even if I have to buy a phone with them! :rolleyes: 

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