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post #3331 of 3818
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Just checked the Ortofon tips again.  Reinforced my confirmation of changing the sound drastically.  You will notice wider sound, and narrow when using Ortofon.  It's narrow, and cause distortion.  I suspect it is result of narrow bore on the Ortonfon.  Get some music with detailed vocals, go from Ortofon to stock black tips, you will notice the vocals will be clearer and opens up wider, which I think the original designer meant for when desiging the wider sized bore with triple outlets.

 

Anybody have details on why the titanium is used on the central bore?

 

Can't confirm on the Ortofon tips as I sold my TG!334 already.

 

But on the titanium central bore, I believed it is for the high-frequency tuning.

Some users that have the custom MH-334 confirms that the high in TG!334 is not as rolled-off as the MH.

post #3332 of 3818
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Originally Posted by akhyar View Post

Can't confirm on the Ortofon tips as I sold my TG!334 already.

But on the titanium central bore, I believed it is for the high-frequency tuning.
Some users that have the custom MH-334 confirms that the high in TG!334 is not as rolled-off as the MH.

I still have both.

TG has more treble extension and longer bass decay; MH has more control at both treble and bass.

As I always say: TG is more exuberant while the MH is more controlled. Which you like really depends on your preferences. Both are similar while bring more different than the specs suggest.
post #3333 of 3818

Just found the right tips!  UE Metro-Fi, white clear large tips.  it has a wide opening but at the same it seals well.


Edited by SilverEars - 3/9/14 at 6:22pm
post #3334 of 3818

Do you guys agree that TG334 makes the music too intimate?  Everything sounds like it's being played right next to your ear?  Maybe it's an affect of trying to neutralize the whole frequency range?  Instruments and images are in the same position when I hear, and the position of everything(vocals and instruments) is at the same spot and it's very intimate or close to my ears.


Edited by SilverEars - 3/9/14 at 2:33pm
post #3335 of 3818

The sound staging is rather small on them and the mids quite forward. It's not to everyone's liking but generally most get on well with that approach. If you're after an IEM with a noticeably bigger sound staging and balanced sound look into the 1Plus2.

post #3336 of 3818
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post
 

The sound staging is rather small on them and the mids quite forward. It's not to everyone's liking but generally most get on well with that approach. If you're after an IEM with a noticeably bigger sound staging and balanced sound look into the 1Plus2.

 

Alternatively try a different cable. ALO's SXC 24 is known to come with a wide open soundstage.

post #3337 of 3818

Kiats, I would have to respectfully disagree with you, as we all have our beliefs.  :beerchug:

 

I personaly belive that the stage is caused by the driver body itself, the way the the sound is tuned and also the tubes are formed to provide an overall perception of variety types of wide sound signatures.  

 

For example, 846 is wide, but at the same time the different sounds are not coming from the same perceptible point.  Vocals are imaged on the forward layer, and the rest follows from the back ground.  It sounds narrower than the TG334, but wider stage.

 

TG334 is wider even if the sound is very nearby, but there is airiness about the sound to make it sound wide.

post #3338 of 3818
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Kiats, I would have to respectfully disagree with you, as we all have our beliefs.  :beerchug:

 

I personaly belive that the stage is caused by the driver body itself, the way the the sound is tuned and also the tubes are formed to provide an overall perception of variety types of wide sound signatures.  

 

For example, 846 is wide, but at the same time the different sounds are not coming from the same perceptible point.  Vocals are imaged on the forward layer, and the rest follows from the back ground.  It sounds narrower than the TG334, but wider stage.

 

TG334 is wider even if the sound is very nearby, but there is airiness about the sound to make it sound wide.

 

Heheh! No worries. Lots of these are very much down to personal perception. Hence, I always suggest we try things out personally. Nothing like listening for ourselves. But isn't that the thrill of this hobby of ours? :beerchug:

post #3339 of 3818
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Just found the right tips!  TF10, white clear large tips.  If it doesn't exist it's one of the UE tips. it has a wide opening but at the same it seals well.

 

That's an interesting discovery. Do you have a photo to share? This would be something worth exploring.:tongue_smile:

post #3340 of 3818

I just realized these are very accurate iems.  I'm going through Marantaz Audiophile SACD, and it sounds so precise and accurate and then I listen to some pop music, and it sounds awful, and can hear the flaws.  Love it!!(not because the music sounds awful, but it's transparent)  The bad part is, it does't cover up the flaws in bad recordings like other headphones.

 

Great for classical!!


Edited by SilverEars - 3/9/14 at 6:02pm
post #3341 of 3818
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Originally Posted by Kiats View Post
 

 

That's an interesting discovery. Do you have a photo to share? This would be something worth exploring.:tongue_smile:

Sure. I did a quick search to jog my memory of the UE model, and it was the Metro-Fi.  It has very wide bore as pictured.

 

CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 100

 

http://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Silicone-Ultimate-MetroFi-Earphones/dp/B004WSDIYQ

post #3342 of 3818
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post

Kiats, I would have to respectfully disagree with you, as we all have our beliefs.  beerchug.gif

I personaly belive that the stage is caused by the driver body itself, the way the the sound is tuned and also the tubes are formed to provide an overall perception of variety types of wide sound signatures.  

For example, 846 is wide, but at the same time the different sounds are not coming from the same perceptible point.  Vocals are imaged on the forward layer, and the rest follows from the back ground.  It sounds narrower than the TG334, but wider stage.

TG334 is wider even if the sound is very nearby, but there is airiness about the sound to make it sound wide.
You're quite right that we all do have our beliefs biggrin.gif. Mine, everything we hear is merely perception (which is where it's very plausable we perceive sound differently). And to me anything along the chain could affect that perception, drivers, stems, tips, cables, amps, interconnects, DACs, etc.

To me when I demoed the SXC, I recalled a further treble extension (but not in the way that I personally had liked) but don't recall changes in soundstaging. I found the Tralucent Silver/Gold or Toxic SW to improve on staging. Same with some of the DAP combos (e.g. NW-ZX1). i.e. for my experience, it wasn't solely driver body although I would admit that the drivers or driver body, or driver crossover design would be the primary factor(s).

Funnily to my perception, the TG!334 doesn't sound small. It does sound intimate in the sense that one is close to the stage but there's depth not only forwards but left & right. There are earphones these days that are wider than the 334 though but to me it doesn't make the 334 small - it's all merely relative.

Personally for me I wouldn't call this earphone midcentric either. There's a fair amount of bass bloom & warmth. To my personal scale, I would have defined my former SE530 as midcentric.
post #3343 of 3818
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Sure. I did a quick search to jog my memory of the UE model, and it was the Metro-Fi.  It has very wide bore as pictured.

 

CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 100

 

http://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Silicone-Ultimate-MetroFi-Earphones/dp/B004WSDIYQ

 

Thanks! Will definitely explore this. 

post #3344 of 3818
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post


You're quite right that we all do have our beliefs biggrin.gif. Mine, everything we hear is merely perception (which is where it's very plausable we perceive sound differently). And to me anything along the chain could affect that perception, drivers, stems, tips, cables, amps, interconnects, DACs, etc.

To me when I demoed the SXC, I recalled a further treble extension (but not in the way that I personally had liked) but don't recall changes in soundstaging. I found the Tralucent Silver/Gold or Toxic SW to improve on staging. Same with some of the DAP combos (e.g. NW-ZX1). i.e. for my experience, it wasn't solely driver body although I would admit that the drivers or driver body, or driver crossover design would be the primary factor(s).
...

 

Agreed, AnakChan. Since anything along the chain will have an impact on that perception, we all have fun making tweaks to the chain. That is is part and parcel of the joy of this hobby of ours. :atsmile:

 

Hmmm... I need to unearth my SXC again and have another listen. 

post #3345 of 3818
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Thanks! Will definitely explore this. 

Kiats do let me know if you are able to get your hands on these tips (perhaps a couple of pairs!)

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