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post #3316 of 3704
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Originally Posted by Aero Dynamik View Post
 

....the Wooduo 2 also came with a pair of large olive shaped tips.

 

I also found the Ortofons to be the sounding best tip by far....and yes they are "Olive Shaped".

The Ortofon is the one on the right.

For more info see my post: LINK  post #3282

 

LL 

post #3317 of 3704
Agreed on the Ortofon tips.
But I've read that some users complaint the narrow bore of the Ortofon tips change the FR of the TG!334 compared to the stock tips.
post #3318 of 3704
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

You have a good point, similar to EX-1000 in that sound stage is lost if forced in tightly.  I wonder why that is so.  Also, bass response depends on the seal.

 

An unscientific guess could be that the space in the tip does matter... :biggrin:

post #3319 of 3704
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Agreed on the Ortofon tips.
But I've read that some users complaint the narrow bore of the Ortofon tips change the FR of the TG!334 compared to the stock tips.

 

Hmm... I think I saw just one post complaining about that recently.There may be others that I missed. 

 

However, I do think that whenever you swap out a part, there will inevitably be variances from the FR of the stock parts. 

post #3320 of 3704
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I will, thanks! It will be very interesting to see if they can match my Wooduo 2 olive shaped tips. If so, I won't mind their price, at all!

Another word of caution. The size of tips is also critical. You may need to order a set to see which size works best for you.

I've ordered directly from Ortofon (to make sure I get the original ear tips) in Denmark which borders to Sweden where I live. Still approx. 10 EUR (~14 USD) for the ear tips and another 10 EUR for UPS shipping within EU :eek: They're delivered in three sizes, small, medium, and large. I'll make sure to try them all. Thanks!

 

If they don't work as well as my Wooduo 2 tips, I'm actually prepared to buy another set of the Wooduo 2 just to get the tips, but I still hope someone will be able to identify them, or something very similar. Hopefully the Ortofon tips will do it for me. I'll report back as soon as I get them.

 

EDIT: This is what I've ordered: http://www.ortofon-shop.com/shop?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_lite_pdf.tpl&product_id=261&category_id=31


Edited by Aero Dynamik - 3/4/14 at 12:43am
post #3321 of 3704
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Of the 350 or so posts I’ve written since I became a Head-Fi member, this post is probably going to be my most important, even if it’s only helpful to one other owner of the FitEar ToGo 334.


I got my 334 about 10 months ago, and pretty much after a month or so felt I wasn’t too happy with it, and so began contemplating to sell it. In many ways it sounded quite excellent but too dark, a bit congested at loud volumes, and sometimes somewhat anaemic, and more often than not the stock tips would create an underpressure in my ear canals rendering them not just uncomfortable but also sounding somewhat unnatural, like the sound was being “pumped” into my ears creating all sorts of strange effects. Simply put, it was nowhere near my other TOTL IEMs.


Considering all glowing reviews, all rave, and how this or that cable would make all the difference, I felt utterly dumfounded. However, because of all of those posts - describing the 334 as something like “god’s gift to audiophiles”- I wasn’t ready to give up. I must confess though that in the back of my mind I had a nagging feeling it could actually be a bad case of the old hype. Also, having spent so much money - despite an excellent resale value - I just wasn’t ready to give up. So, I set out on a quest to try to find out what was wrong. I would investigate tips, my sources, my files, and my hearing. Well, to make a very long story very short my quest failed, although not completely. I found out that with my CEntrance 1 Ohm modified DACport (and to some extent with my my iPod Touch generation 4) and - most importantly – a pair of Comply foam tips T-500 I could get some really decent sound out of the 334, perhaps even good enough to keep it. However, as time passed I used my 334 less and less and eventually, not at all.


Now, just a couple of days ago something quite remarkable, completely unexpected and for me revolutionary happened, and it happened more or less by chance. As I was going through my cabinet looking for my backup hard disk, my eyes fell on the FitEar Otterbox and so reminded me that it was due time to put it up for sale. Then I remembered I had some new olive shaped tips that came with my Wooduo 2 from HiSoundAudio. For a moment I hesitated as I wasn’t sure they’d fit the nozzle of the 334. Nevertheless I decided to give it a go.


To my extreme surprise, the 334 sounded like a completely different phone from what I was used to. Most importantly, its resolving capability seemed to have increased by a factor of at least 10, and all of a sudden it had a completely new ability to convey some very real and realistic (raw) energy in the music, without becoming even the slightest intrusive or congested. Put another way it sounded oh so very musical. Instrument separation became significantly more defined - without any unnatural or exaggerated gaps - and together with the newfound resolution and unparalleled detail retrieval making it easy to discern myriads of fine nuances in every voice and instrument in my reference tracks, especially so in the mid-range; stuff that I hadn’t really noticed or appreciated with any of my other phones. It also sounded more spacious, lush and balanced. I felt that every sound aspect had improved.


Wow! Who would have thought? However, I still wasn’t perfectly happy as the bass was now sounding slightly thin and the treble still a tad lacking. I quickly realised the reason for the lack in bass was that I only had about 95 % or so of a perfect seal in my left ear. Luckily, the Wooduo 2 also came with a pair of large olive shaped tips. Now the bass transformed from being very good to godlike; authoritative and punchy but with fabulous control and without becoming the least overpowering. Combine that with the pristine newfound resolution and I felt it was the best bass I have ever heard. With the T-500 Comply foam tips the bass was outright bloated and uncontrolled compared to this! Still, the treble was a tad lacking, so a decided to do what I usually never do; give it a tad of EQ treble boost. It worked perfectly!


Sitting in my armchair with closed eyes I was in audio heaven and couldn’t stop listening. But my story doesn’t end here; the next step made me fall in love with the 334.

 

Before I continue I want to apologise for my hype, but I do have a few other TOTL IEMs (check my profile) and my “Philips Golden Ears” to lean on, so I feel that - at least to some small extent - I’m entitled to some hype.


So, as I was sitting in my comfortable armchair enjoying my audio heaven I then - without thinking about it - tilted my head backwards to make it rest on the headrest, and as I gradually tilted my head the overall improvements in sound significantly increased again. It seemed to open up the 334 to its full potential. What happened of course was that by tilting my head backwards the shape of my ear canals changed making the tips fit like a glove. At this point I felt ecstatic about the sound being delivered to my ears. I just couldn’t believe it. At the same time it was somewhat disconcerting. Tilting my head backwards for hours wouldn’t just look funny and be impractical, but would quickly become very uncomfortable too (I suffered from pain in the back of my neck for a couple of days after this exercise). Obviously the fit wasn’t perfect after all. The question now was if I could do anything about it. I unplugged the ear tips and then with total focus and closed eyes fitted the tips back into my ears with a slightly different angel and a slightly shallower fit. My heart pounding as I pressed the play button to start the music and hear the result. Yes, yes, and yes, the new glorious sound was all there. The fit now seemed perfect.


After several years in this hobby I know for sure that fit and seal of ear tips is absolutely paramount, and I’m always very particular about it, but I truly had no idea that selection of ear tips could have such a tremendous, and I mean tremendous impact. Well, let me tell you, lesson learned! I did order a bunch of MeElectronics’ ear tips for the 334 but none of them worked any better than the stock tips, and that’s probably why I never bothered to order the Ortofon tips mentioned in the thread, but they’re on order now.


My headache now is that I really want a few spares of the Wooduo 2 large olive shaped ear tips. I visited HiSoundAudio’s site but their “store” didn’t seem to work and the site was extremely slow. I’ll include a few pictures of the ear tips in this post with the hope that perhaps any of you will be able to help me identify them and possibly also tell me where I could order them. It would make me very, very happy! They seem to be made of semi soft rubber and fit nozzles with a diameter of about 4.5 to 5.0 millimetres.


So, if you’re still with me, thank you for reading! I’m now one very, very happy owner of the FitEar ToGo 334!

 

 

 

great that u have found yr perfect tips...btw did u try the meelectonic dual flange? when inserted it created a sealed pocket of air trap between the top flange the the bottom flange... it is the perfect tips for me

 

..... another tips i tried is this DIY hybrid... maybe u can try squeezing a foam comply tips into yr silicon tips like this

 

post #3322 of 3704
^ the price for the 3 pairs is reasonable, but the shipping cost, even within Europe is quite a sum
post #3323 of 3704

^ Yes nakedtoes, I did try the MeElectonic dual flange tips and for me they were even worse than the stock tips, as was most of the other 10 or so MeElectonic tips I tried. Again, let me be absolutely clear about it. The HiSoundAudio Wooduo 2 large olive shaped ear tips has meant an absolute revolution in my relation to the 334. Thank you nevertheless!

post #3324 of 3704
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Originally Posted by akhyar View Post

Agreed on the Ortofon tips.
But I've read that some users complaint the narrow bore of the Ortofon tips change the FR of the TG!334 compared to the stock tips.

 

Hmm... I think I saw just one post complaining about that recently.There may be others that I missed. 

 

However, I do think that whenever you swap out a part, there will inevitably be variances from the FR of the stock parts. 

In my case, thank god! ;)

post #3325 of 3704
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Originally Posted by Aero Dynamik View Post
 

....the Wooduo 2 also came with a pair of large olive shaped tips.

 

I also found the Ortofons to be the sounding best tip by far....and yes they are "Olive Shaped".

The Ortofon is the one on the right.

For more info see my post: LINK  post #3282

 

LL 

Thanks, and thanks for the link. The tip to the left looks quite like a lot of tips that I've tried that just didn't do it for me.

post #3326 of 3704

Ok, looks like with stock tips(the wide silicones, which I think is the best), is insertion depth dependent.  Like the EX-1000, it souldn't be inserted too deeply?  Anybody else have experienced this?


Edited by SilverEars - 3/8/14 at 10:11am
post #3327 of 3704
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Ok, looks like with stock tips(the wide silicones, which I think is the best), is insertion depth dependent.  Like the EX-1000, it souldn't be inserted too deeply?  Anybody else have experienced this?

Definitely yes! However, even with a shallow fit – in my personal experience - the stock tips come nowhere near being able to expose the 334’s full potential. I’m now assessing the Ortofon tips and I’m not quite done with it, but so far and compared to the stock tips they are infinitely better.


Oh, I should mention that I do believe selection of tips – unfortunately - is a very personal thing as we all have different anatomy and preferences. I’ve even started to consider customs again, but… no, I don’t think I’ll ever really want to go there again! 

post #3328 of 3704

My ideal tip would be Ortofon tips size and material, but with larger center bore the diameter of the opening through out the tip's opening.  You do get a better seal with the Ortofon, but the small bore changes the sound to what I believe wasn't intended for.

 

My friend I agree with you about believing in selection of tips.  Tips have a huge affect on sound.  I hope the vendors start noticing our posts regarding tips and start coming out with better solutions regarding tips for universals.


Edited by SilverEars - 3/8/14 at 3:53pm
post #3329 of 3704

Just checked the Ortofon tips again.  Reinforced my confirmation of changing the sound drastically.  You will notice wider sound, and narrow when using Ortofon.  It's narrow, and cause distortion.  I suspect it is result of narrow bore on the Ortonfon.  Get some music with detailed vocals, go from Ortofon to stock black tips, you will notice the vocals will be clearer and opens up wider, which I think the original designer meant for when desiging the wider sized bore with triple outlets.

 

Anybody have details on why the titanium is used on the central bore?


Edited by SilverEars - 3/8/14 at 6:47pm
post #3330 of 3704
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post

Just checked the Ortofon tips again.  Reinforced my confirmation of changing the sound drastically.  You will notice wider sound, and narrow when using Ortofon.  It's narrow, and cause distortion.  I suspect it is result of narrow bore on the Ortonfon.  Get some music with detailed vocals, go from Ortofon to stock black tips, you will notice the vocals will be clearer and opens up wider, which I think the original designer meant for when desiging the wider sized bore with triple outlets.

Anybody have details on why the titanium is used on the central bore?

I think that was explained in thee following review where shigzeo actually had a discussion on this topic: look out for the heading "titanium":
http://www.touchmyapps.com/2012/07/18/fitear-to-go-334-earphone-in-review/
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