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post #2566 of 3704
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Originally Posted by EveTan View Post

Nah, I bought the Ocharaku Kaede instead. Just waiting for my contact to ship it to me ^^.

 

Wheew, I'm glad you decided to go for the Kaede instead!

To me it sounded much better suited for your needs when you were describing what you wanted.

 

I ALMOST bought a Kaede but then I realised that I need the isolation quite badly... And that cable, although said to be very durable, does not inspire much confidence...

post #2567 of 3704
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Originally Posted by theThirty3rd View Post

 

Wheew, I'm glad you decided to go for the Kaede instead!

To me it sounded much better suited for your needs when you were describing what you wanted.

 

I ALMOST bought a Kaede but then I realised that I need the isolation quite badly... And that cable, although said to be very durable, does not inspire much confidence...

Hopefully, if I do break the cable, that I can get it recabled by some service. :) Not sure how that'll turn out, but I'm sure it'll be fine.

 

Hmm, really? It sounded like it would suit my needs? *goes back to check what I pmed

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Well, I have been on a quest to get what I feel is the full potential of my 334s. I have changed amp, spent much time finding the right tips and swapped cables. I am now on my 3rd aftermarket cable, having owned the Alo sxc, the 000 and now the reference Whiplash TWag V2 gold 8 conductor. My quest ends right here with the Whiplash. 

 

The reason I decided to try this very expensive upgrade was to see if it was possible to have the sweet treble the Alo had, and at the same time have the fullbodied feel of the mids and lows that the 000 brings. I did conclude before that the 000 was better suited for my tastes than the Alo as an allround performer. However, ever since selling the Alo I have not been able to enjoy some of my bass heavy recordings that needs that extra sparkle and the 000 gives them a slightly bass bloated feel. 

 

The TWag V2 gold which is solid silver with 1% added gold really is what the 334s needed to please me leaving wanting nothing else.

The slight bass bloat the 000 gave some tracks have vanished, still the punch is just as solid only more contolled than before. The treble the alo had is now present and to top it off the mids are even more pronounced than with any I have tried so far.

 

For those not beliving in cables adding to sq there are the practical things to consider, as well as build quality.

On this it is another A+ to Whiplash. It is way softer than the 000, it has NO memory wire. This makes a big difference for me, I find it so much more comfortable without that stiff part round my ear, and now they never pop out after inserting like they used to.

Microphonics are horrible on the stock cable, as bad on the alo, and worse on the 000. With the twag it is minimal and the best of those mentioned. Then there is the looks and pure build quality, and to sum that up in one word, it must be: outstanding!

Finally I think I can do no better without going to Tokyo..... All in my opinion of course, but I strongly reccomend it to those wanting to really see what the 334s are capable of. (That is alot!!!)

 

 

post #2570 of 3704
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Originally Posted by milarepa View Post

Microphonics are horrible on the stock cable,

 

This is quite an exaggeration. Yes, the stock cable is microphonic, but nothing too serious as these IEMs are meant to be worn over the ear which always helps a lot to reduce microphonics. However, the stock cable is quite stiff, and I much prefer a Westone type cable in that respect, which is very, very flexible


Edited by music_4321 - 4/18/13 at 11:33am
post #2571 of 3704
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

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Originally Posted by milarepa View Post

Microphonics are horrible on the stock cable,

 

This is quite an exaggeration. Yes, the stock cable is microphonic, but nothing too serious as these IEMs are meant to be worn over the ear which always helps a lot to reduce microphonics. However, the stock cable is quite stiff, and I much prefer a Westone type cable in that respect, which is very, very flexible

I am happy to moderate my words to "quite bad",compared to the whiplash. 

post #2572 of 3704
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Originally Posted by milarepa View Post

Well, I have been on a quest to get what I feel is the full potential of my 334s. I have changed amp, spent much time finding the right tips and swapped cables. I am now on my 3rd aftermarket cable, having owned the Alo sxc, the 000 and now the reference Whiplash TWag V2 gold 8 conductor. My quest ends right here with the Whiplash. 

 

The reason I decided to try this very expensive upgrade was to see if it was possible to have the sweet treble the Alo had, and at the same time have the fullbodied feel of the mids and lows that the 000 brings. I did conclude before that the 000 was better suited for my tastes than the Alo as an allround performer. However, ever since selling the Alo I have not been able to enjoy some of my bass heavy recordings that needs that extra sparkle and the 000 gives them a slightly bass bloated feel. 

 

The TWag V2 gold which is solid silver with 1% added gold really is what the 334s needed to please me leaving wanting nothing else.

The slight bass bloat the 000 gave some tracks have vanished, still the punch is just as solid only more contolled than before. The treble the alo had is now present and to top it off the mids are even more pronounced than with any I have tried so far.

 

For those not beliving in cables adding to sq there are the practical things to consider, as well as build quality.

On this it is another A+ to Whiplash. It is way softer than the 000, it has NO memory wire. This makes a big difference for me, I find it so much more comfortable without that stiff part round my ear, and now they never pop out after inserting like they used to.

Microphonics are horrible on the stock cable, as bad on the alo, and worse on the 000. With the twag it is minimal and the best of those mentioned. Then there is the looks and pure build quality, and to sum that up in one word, it must be: outstanding!

Finally I think I can do no better without going to Tokyo..... All in my opinion of course, but I strongly reccomend it to those wanting to really see what the 334s are capable of. (That is alot!!!)

 

 

Thanks for this!

Makes me wonder how my TWAg V2 would sound if I change the connectors to ones that would work with the 334s...

 

Ah well. 

post #2573 of 3704
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Originally Posted by milarepa View Post

I am happy to moderate my words to "quite bad",compared to the whiplash. 

 

I think "quite bad" is still an exaggeration. I'm myself very sensitive to microphinics and though I did notice that on the 334s, they were not that bad (and I listen at moderate volume levels, and lots of classical music). I've never tried a Whiplash cable, but the Westone & Ultimate Ears cable types are absolutely non-microphinic. Microphonics is a real serious issue with the $1,000 Sennheiser IE800 (meant for a cable-down fit, though those able to have an over-the ear fit have reported a significant reduction of microphonics), or the ATH-CKM99.

In your previous post you also mentioned the stiff memory wire on the 334s. That's very odd because, if anything, the 334's memory wire is precisely the opposite, not stiff at all, certainly not enough for some people apparently, that is, they don't always help to keep the earpieces in place, which is the intended purpose of the memory wire in the first place. A Westone / UE cable has much stiffer memory wires, which some don't like at all. I was lucky because in my case no memory wire is actually needed at all for my 334s because, for some reason, the housings always stay in place. The 334 connectors are also much better than the flush Westone/ UE type connectors. Also, the 334 plug seems to be of better quality (read: long lasting) than those by Werstone / UE, though I personally always prefer a right-angled plug.

post #2574 of 3704

How can you decide how bad the microphonics are for someone else? It's their user experience, not yours. I found the microphonics on the original cable 'quite bad' as well. The BTG Audio cable remedies it totally. 

post #2575 of 3704
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

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Originally Posted by milarepa View Post

I am happy to moderate my words to "quite bad",compared to the whiplash. 

 

I think "quite bad" is still an exaggeration. I'm myself very sensitive to microphinics and though I did notice that on the 334s, they were not that bad (and I listen at moderate volume levels, and lots of classical music). I've never tried a Whiplash cable, but the Westone & Ultimate Ears cable types are absolutely non-microphinic. Microphonics is a real serious issue with the $1,000 Sennheiser IE800 (meant for a cable-down fit, though those able to have an over-the ear fit have reported a significant reduction of microphonics), or the ATH-CKM99.

In your previous post you also mentioned the stiff memory wire on the 334s. That's very odd because, if anything, the 334's memory wire is precisely the opposite, not stiff at all, certainly not enough for some people apparently, that is, they don't always help to keep the earpieces in place, which is the intended purpose of the memory wire in the first place. A Westone / UE cable has much stiffer memory wires, which some don't like at all. I was lucky because in my case no memory wire is actually needed at all for my 334s because, for some reason, the housings always stay in place. The 334 connectors are also much better than the flush Westone/ UE type connectors. Also, the 334 plug seems to be of better quality (read: long lasting) than those by Werstone / UE, though I personally always prefer a right-angled plug.

Forgive me for not being clear. Here I was referring to the 000 cable that is plenty stiff enough in the wire. The stock is not stiff like that I quite agree, and not suitable for holding the iems in place.

However I much prefer the total flexibility of no memory wire more than the "semi" memory of the stock wire and the stiffness of the proper memory wire the 000 provides. This is my taste for comfort only and may not apply for all.

post #2576 of 3704
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Originally Posted by cn11 View Post

How can you decide how bad the microphonics are for someone else? It's their user experience, not yours. I found the microphonics on the original cable 'quite bad' as well. The BTG Audio cable remedies it totally. 

 

I don't decide how bad the 334's microphonics are for anybody. In my second post you will notice I said "I think…still.." and went on to explain why. I didn't say "Hey milarepa, you're absolutely wrong", and went further and gave two examples of really seriously microphionic IEMs/cables — in the case of the IE800, in particular, everybody seems to have have mentioned the issue of microphinics.

By and large people have not complained about microphionics on the 334 stock cable, but there's a general consensus the cable is indeed stiff. Someone perhaps coming across milarepa's post may actually think the 334's stock cable microphonics are a serious issue ("quite bad"), perhaps even a deal breaker to them if they're not willing (or unable) to spend (quite a bit) extra on al already very expensive product.

It's okay if we have different SQ perceptions & preferences—this often depends on several factors, some even difficult to detect and which many are not aware of—and even different cable preferences, but certain aspects are not quite as open to opinion as others—such as the great reduction in microphonics with an over-the-ear fit—, opinions which may inadvertently mislead others.


Edited by music_4321 - 4/18/13 at 2:01pm
post #2577 of 3704
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

 

I don't decide how bad the 334's microphonics are for anybody. In my second post you will notice I said "I think…still.." and went on to explain why. I didn't say "Hey milarepa, you're absolutely wrong", and went further and gave two examples of really seriously microphionic IEMs/cables — in the case of the IE800, in particular, everybody seems to have have mentioned the issue of microphinics.

By and large people have not complained about microphionics on the 334 stock cable, but there's a general consensus the cable is indeed stiff. Someone perhaps coming across milarepa's post may actually think the 334's stock cable microphonics are a serious issue ("quite bad"), perhaps even a deal breaker to them if they're not willing (or unable) to spend (quite a bit) extra on al already very expensive product.

It's okay if we have different SQ perceptions & preferences—this often depends on several factors, some even difficult to detect and which many are not aware of—and even different cable preferences, but certain aspects are not quite as open to opinion as others—such as the great reduction in microphonics with an over-the-ear fit—, opinions which may inadvertently mislead others.

 

 

 

By and large people haven't complained about microphonics? A quick search within this thread yielded more than a few users who described the microphonics issue in such ways as: '....horrendous', or '...very, very bad'.  You seemed to dismiss milarepa's personal experience with his pair, and continued to disagree with that experience even after he tailored his description in response to your first reply to him. Microphonics are intensely annoying for some people, so if they think the noise is 'horrendous' or whatever, then that is their experience. Just because you don't hear them as 'horrendous', doesn't mean they're not horrendous for many others.
 
Yes personal impressions and preferences are to be encouraged, I agree. Likewise, with how I feel the microphonics issue is quite bad, your perspective could be the one to mislead a prospective owner. To me it's definitely in the 'quite bad' camp (whether or not they're worn over the ears is non-issue because wearing down is impossible with the 334). I agree that trying out different cables is an expense above and beyond an already very high priced IEM. But I'd rather have the option of being able to change/experiment/replace the cable (should something happen to the stock), rather than an equally pricey IEM like the K3003 which gives the user no option to replace in a damage situation. That's ludicrous to me on an IEM at this level, and a deal breaker. 
post #2578 of 3704
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Originally Posted by cn11 View Post

 

By and large people haven't complained about microphonics? A quick search within this thread yielded more than a few users who described the microphonics issue in such ways as: '....horrendous', or '...very, very bad'.  You seemed to dismiss milarepa's personal experience with his pair, and continued to disagree with that experience even after he tailored his description in response to your first reply to him. Microphonics are intensely annoying for some people, so if they think the noise is 'horrendous' or whatever, then that is their experience. Just because you don't hear them as 'horrendous', doesn't mean they're not horrendous for many others.
 
Yes personal impressions and preferences are to be encouraged, I agree. Likewise, with how I feel the microphonics issue is quite bad, your perspective could be the one to mislead a prospective owner. To me it's definitely in the 'quite bad' camp (whether or not they're worn over the ears is non-issue because wearing down is impossible with the 334). I agree that trying out different cables is an expense above and beyond an already very high priced IEM.

 

 

OK, then, "horrendous", "very, very bad, "quite bad" and "horrible" it is. Good.

 

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But I'd rather have the option of being able to change/experiment/replace the cable (should something happen to the stock), rather than an equally pricey IEM like the K3003 which gives the user no option to replace in a damage situation. That's ludicrous to me on an IEM at this level, and a deal breaker.

 

Don't know what that's got to do with the 334, but since you mentioned the K3003 (did I, by any chance, suggest people should get the K3003s instead of the 334?), let's not forget how equally "ludicrous" it is to purchase a pair of  FI-BA-SS, Piano Forte IX  or Piano Forte X.

 

Last post from this end (this time round).

post #2579 of 3704
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

 

 

OK, then, "horrendous", "very, very bad, "quite bad" and "horrible" it is. Good.

 

 

Don't know what that's got to do with the 334, but since you mentioned the K3003 (did I, by any chance, suggest people should get the K3003s instead of the 334?), let's not forget how equally "ludicrous" it is to purchase a pair of  FI-BA-SS, Piano Forte IX  or Piano Forte X.

 

 

 

Simply as I wrote previously-- that even though it can potentially add to the cost of the 334 to experiment with aftermarket cables, I find that option preferable to the possibility of having a 1,300+ dollar IEM ruined by a cable accident because it's non-detachable. I never implied you suggested getting the K3003 over the 334. 

 

 

 

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Last post from this end (this time round).

 

 

Uh huh.

post #2580 of 3704

Interesting note on Musica Acoustics site, have these been discontinued or is production indefinitely on hold?  I know this was discussed a bit back but it seems extreme to automatically issue refunds due to being backordered a couple months.  

 

http://www.musicaacoustics.com/wp/headphones/fitear-to-go-334-2/

 

IMPORTANT: customers on waiting list from February to current date will be refunded 

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