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post #2536 of 4414

Hmm... I don't think really hear them being all that similar (vs. GR07).

 

I hear the GR07 as having more upper presence (trending toward sibilance on some things, at least with the MKIIs), probably overall more upper extension, a flatter midbass, thinner more distant mids, perhaps a wider soundstage but with much less depth.  Of the mid-tier IEMs I've heard the Shure 535 comes to mind.  The GR07 is somewhat leaner and quicker/thinner down low and can be harsh at times, while I'd say the 334 is more of a lush and relaxed listen.

 

I have a hunch that if you're looking to spend this kind of coin the 1Plus2 probably has more in common, although I'm just going off comparisons I've read between those and the 334s.


Edited by bobeau - 4/14/13 at 9:31pm
post #2537 of 4414
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Hmm... I don't think really hear them being all that similar (vs. GR07).


That's why I say they're reminiscent.

 

The GR07's bass also goes deeper, if I remember correctly.

post #2538 of 4414
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That's why I say they're reminiscent.

 

The GR07's bass also goes deeper, if I remember correctly.

 

Disagree they're even reminiscent, aside from being hi-fi, nicely detailed/resolving listens.  I've had hundreds of hours on each now and every once in awhile I'll listen to the GR07, it's like an immediate nails on the chalkboard affect.  I'm not saying that to say I dislike the GR07 in any strong way, just that I'm very acclimated to the 334 now and probably would have to spend some time with them again (brain burn in).

 

I guess the thing I'm getting at is - if someone really loves what the GR07 does and wants an upper-tier variant, there are probably other things to look at.

 

As far as the frequency response, I think perhaps the wrong graphs were being looked at.  The one in Rin's review that looks like the GR07 is with the 100 ohm resistor inline.  The other graph (with the various insertion depths) the bass and midrange are considerably more boosted.

 

The bass might go deeper, but I think it's more just the flatter midbass that makes the sub-bass really pop out.


Edited by bobeau - 4/14/13 at 10:23pm
post #2539 of 4414
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Originally Posted by bobeau View Post

Hmm... I don't think really hear them being all that similar (vs. GR07).

 

I hear the GR07 as having more upper presence (trending toward sibilance on some things, at least with the MKIIs), probably overall more upper extension, a flatter midbass, thinner more distant mids, perhaps a wider soundstage but with much less depth.  Of the mid-tier IEMs I've heard the Shure 535 comes to mind.  The GR07 is somewhat leaner and quicker/thinner down low and can be harsh at times, while I'd say the 334 is more of a lush and relaxed listen.

 

I have a hunch that if you're looking to spend this kind of coin the 1Plus2 probably has more in common, although I'm just going off comparisons I've read between those and the 334s.


Yikes. Well other than the soundstage depth, that sounds like the exact opposite of what I want. I want a GR07 with better bass linearity without compromising on speed, a touch thinner midrange, and smoother treble. Sounds like the 334 probably aren't for me. 

post #2540 of 4414
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Yikes. Well other than the soundstage depth, that sounds like the exact opposite of what I want. I want a GR07 with better bass linearity without compromising on speed, a touch thinner midrange, and smoother treble. Sounds like the 334 probably aren't for me. 

 

Have you taken a look at the the 1Plus2 thread?  I would study up on those.

 

Also the Flat4 is you're not concerned about isolation.


Edited by bobeau - 4/14/13 at 10:30pm
post #2541 of 4414
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Disagree they're even reminiscent, aside from being hi-fi, nicely detailed/resolving listens.  I've had hundreds of hours on each now and every once in awhile I'll listen to the GR07, it's like an immediate nails on the chalkboard affect.  I'm not saying that to say I dislike the GR07 in any strong way, just that I'm very acclimated to the 334 now and probably would have to spend some time with them again (brain burn in).

 

I guess the thing I'm getting at is - if someone really loves what the GR07 does and wants an upper-tier variant, there are probably other things to look at.

 

As far as the frequency response, I think perhaps the wrong graphs were being looked at.  The one in Rin's review that looks like the GR07 is with the 100 ohm resistor inline.  The other graph (with the various insertion depths) the bass and midrange are considerably more boosted.

 

The bass might go deeper, but I think it's more just the flatter midbass that makes the sub-bass really pop out.

 

Wow. That definitely wasn't the result of my A/B.

 

Still, I won't doubt your many hours with them.

post #2542 of 4414
Yes I have 1plus2 and 334 under hand now, and the former correspond to your description better.
post #2543 of 4414

I'll look up on the 1Plus2. Thanks. Are there measurements floating around? 


Edited by Alondite - 4/14/13 at 10:32pm
post #2544 of 4414
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Wow. That definitely wasn't the result of my A/B.

 

Still, I won't doubt your many hours with them.

 

Just a FWIW, Joker actually did a comparison and this mostly concurs with my thoughts.  

 

VSonic GR07 ($180)

VSonic’s dynamic-driver reference monitor boasts a fantastic price/performance ratio but falls very short of the TG334 in a head to head comparison. While its bass is tighter and more controlled than that of the TG334, the GR07 fails to make up for its lack of midrange and treble performance. The midrange of the GR07 sounds overly lean and distant compared to that of the TG334. Vocals are less intelligible and generally sound less natural and refined. The mids of the TG334, on the hand, sound fuller and simply more “mature” than those of the GR07.

Moving up, the GR07 is brighter and has the treble energy that the TG334 lacks. However, in doing so it tends to be significantly more harsh and sibilant. Compared to the soft, yet detailed treble of the TG334, the GR07 seems unrefined and ultimately much less satisfying. The presentation, too, is no match for the FitEar. The layering and soundstage depth of the TG334 make the GR07 sound flat and distant and highlight its lack of a strong center image and the ability to portray intimacy properly.

post #2545 of 4414
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Originally Posted by Alondite View Post


Yikes. Well other than the soundstage depth, that sounds like the exact opposite of what I want. I want a GR07 with better bass linearity without compromising on speed, a touch thinner midrange, and smoother treble. Sounds like the 334 probably aren't for me. 

 

 

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Have you taken a look at the the 1Plus2 thread?  I would study up on those.

 

Also the Flat4 is you're not concerned about isolation.


I have a 1Plus2 tour unit, you won't be disappointed. You may need to look around for a good set of tips to get the most out of them though. The Ortofon tips I received don't work for me personally.

post #2546 of 4414
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Originally Posted by bobeau View Post

 

Just a FWIW, Joker actually did a comparison and this mostly concurs with my thoughts.  

 

VSonic GR07 ($180)

VSonic’s dynamic-driver reference monitor boasts a fantastic price/performance ratio but falls very short of the TG334 in a head to head comparison. While its bass is tighter and more controlled than that of the TG334, the GR07 fails to make up for its lack of midrange and treble performance. The midrange of the GR07 sounds overly lean and distant compared to that of the TG334. Vocals are less intelligible and generally sound less natural and refined. The mids of the TG334, on the hand, sound fuller and simply more “mature” than those of the GR07.

Moving up, the GR07 is brighter and has the treble energy that the TG334 lacks. However, in doing so it tends to be significantly more harsh and sibilant. Compared to the soft, yet detailed treble of the TG334, the GR07 seems unrefined and ultimately much less satisfying. The presentation, too, is no match for the FitEar. The layering and soundstage depth of the TG334 make the GR07 sound flat and distant and highlight its lack of a strong center image and the ability to portray intimacy properly.

 

It's been over 6 months since I heard the 334, so I could very well be spewing garbage. Still, here's what I shared with the person who sent it to me:

 

 

 

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Hi xxx. I just picked them up...they're huge! The bore is smaller than I expected.

I'll give them a listen in about an hour
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eke2k6
Oct 3, 2012 at 6:40 pm

Holy shciit


Oct 3, 2012 at 7:07 pm

Hey,

Glad you got them ok. 

 

So you're reacting to the first listen?? Just wait till you find the perfect tips...  

 
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eke2k6
Oct 3, 2012 at 7:17 pm

Yup! 

 

I actually had to fiddle around with tips for a while. The thing is, they're completely sealed. These types of iems create massive pressure on my ear drums, so I had to switch to the GR07 stock tips since they don't have that kind of suction seal. I know they're slightly smaller than the bore, but thats the price of admission.

 

The tonal balance is eerily similar b/w the 07 and 334, but that's where the comparison ends.  biggrin.gif

 

It's comical how much they destroy the 07 soundstage-wise.


Oct 3, 2012 at 7:36 pm

Yeah, the soundstage is ridiculously more massive.. as is the price though! Like 6-7X the GR07's price. To me, the 334's midrange makes it on the GR07 seem somewhat recessed... not that it's overly forward with the 334's either. It's just the mids on the 334's are simply incredible! So full and lifelike in tone. 

 

Also, I find the bass quite similar, with the GR07's having a touch more dynamic impact. How's the size working out? They tend to wiggle back out on me over time, sometimes. 

 

Oct 3, 2012 at 7:45 pm

Exactly! The mids are tangible enough to make me want to reach out and touch the vocals. The only thing I miss going from the GR07 to the 334 is the snare snap. I'll try to eq up 7khz to see if that helps any.

 

They're pretty intimidating in the hand but fit very nicely in the ear, so no problem there for me. You should check out what I posted in the 334 thread.

 

 

 

 

Quote:

Hey Eke,

I got the package in this afternoon. Thanks for sending the GR07 MK2's.

 

I just had my first listen with them, and wow, I am blown away at how great they sound. I was doing some back and forth with the TG!334's, and I was thinking 'I don't recall the GR07 being this close to the Fitears'... So I dug out my original pair. The difference is huge up to the new MK2. The big areas I'm hearing right away are so much more fullness in the midrange, substantial gain in soundstage size, and *I think* some better depth in the bass. I don't detect a whole lot of difference in treble just yet, maybe it's a touch less 'hot' while still having the same detail, I dunno. I need to do some more comparisons... but I just can't believe how much better the MK2 version is. My set just sounds more one-dimensional in the stage, and vocals seem thinner and pulled back. I would seriously say the MK2 has halved the gap to the 334's from my orig. set! 

 

Anyway, more to come, and I will be sure to post the comparisons in the MK2 thread. 

 

Thanks again for sending. I really want a set to have as a more 'knock-around' IEM when I don't want anything to happen to the 334's. They really are the going deal of the century in the IEM world...

 

 
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eke2k6
Oct 11, 2012 at 2:43 pm

I'm glad they got there safely

 

Whaaat?! Is there that big of a difference?

Keep me updated

post #2547 of 4414
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I'll look up on the 1Plus2. Thanks. Are there measurements floating around? 

 

Unfortunately I don't think I've seen any.  I haven't really searched that thread much, just did research before biting the bullet on the 334s.  The thing that swayed me are comments about trending toward sibilance - I tend to listen for 4-8 hour blocks of time (I use them while I write software) so I need something that doesn't fatigue.  

post #2548 of 4414

I don't mind sibilance so much. It bothers me on some tracks with the GR07, or if I'm coming to the GR07 from a pair without the sibilance, but ultimately, brain burn-in makes it barely noticeable if I listen to the GR07 for awhile. 

post #2549 of 4414
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Originally Posted by bobeau View Post

 

Unfortunately I don't think I've seen any.  I haven't really searched that thread much, just did research before biting the bullet on the 334s.  The thing that swayed me are comments about trending toward sibilance - I tend to listen for 4-8 hour blocks of time (I use them while I write software) so I need something that doesn't fatigue.  

 

If you're referring to my review of the 1Plus2, don't mind me. I think I'm one of the very very few listeners that felt my 1Plus2 was too sibilant. Most other listeners who were on the Tralucent demo tour didn't feel the same way as I did. The only difference I can think of is their unit was well burnt in over the course of the demo tour, whilst with mine I burnt mine in for about 300 hrs before returning them.

post #2550 of 4414
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

It's been over 6 months since I heard the 334, so I could very well be spewing garbage. Still, here's what I shared with the person who sent it to me:

 

Oddly enough, I had been listening exclusively to the FXZ-200s (like almost daily for 2 mos) when I took delivery of my 334s w/ 000 cable and kinda felt the same way for the first couple days.  Went a few weeks then tried again and was scratching my head on that one smily_headphones1.gif

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