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post #2506 of 3763
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Originally Posted by milarepa View Post

I want 100% of what is possible to obtain from my 334. Whiplash has in my experience the best ergonomics/sound ratio I have had the pleasure to try regarding IEM cables on their 4 conductor offerings. 

I might just pull the trigger on a 8 conductor to see if the 000 can be beaten in terms of sound. No way will the Twag be more ridgid than the 000 even with 8 conductors is my bet. 

 

My 8 conductor V3 for the lcd is way more flexible than my 000. 

 

I would also consider Crystal Cable Piccolino terminated with this superior 3.5mm connector

 

http://www.atl-newcablestudio.com/35%20MINI%20STEREO%20PH%20SERIES01.html

 

http://goods.ruten.com.tw/item/show?21301307800757

 

http://tw.page.bid.yahoo.com/tw/auction/d80102661

 

You will have to send that connector plus an existing cable to Toxic Cables in UK. It could a long wait since so many of us are happy customers of Frank's excellent products.

post #2507 of 3763
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Originally Posted by seeteeyou View Post

I would also consider Crystal Cable Piccolino terminated with this superior 3.5mm connector

 

http://www.atl-newcablestudio.com/35%20MINI%20STEREO%20PH%20SERIES01.html

 

http://goods.ruten.com.tw/item/show?21301307800757

 

http://tw.page.bid.yahoo.com/tw/auction/d80102661

 

You will have to send that connector plus an existing cable to Toxic Cables in UK. It could a long wait since so many of us are happy customers of Frank's excellent products.

 

That 3.5 connector is good (I've actually seen all three in person, and considered buying the hybrid rhodium/gold one), but it's filthily overpriced IMHO. I'd consider the Furutech FT-735R. It's low profile, and it's very good quality as well, and not as silly expensive. The ATL plug is far too expensive, and just isn't worth it, to me, at least. If money is no object, then by all means go for it, along with the Picollino, but these things are by far zero guarantee they'll get you any closer to what you want.

 



Edited by tomscy2000 - 3/31/13 at 7:47pm
post #2508 of 3763
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

 

Regarding the other topic, does Rin's methodology work? Yes, to the extent that they modify tonal balance to a point where it comes closer to diffuse-field flat. However, I've always wondered why he didn't show the phase/impedance plots after adding such a resistor or blocking a port. These things do affect the "little things" in musical presentation when it comes to phase presentation, and lowered electrical dampening probably affects the articulation ability of the BA to discern details, IMHO. I also wonder how these mods affect CSD and impulse response. Phase and CSD changes in the bass definitely alter the psychoacoustic perception of the transparency of the lower registers. The issue about making "modifications" is that it's much more about a means to an end --- improving the tonal linearity of the earphone, and everything else be damned. Perhaps FR is the most important when it comes to the immediacy of perceiving good, detailed, sound, but I find that frequency response linearity is not everything when it comes to a psychoacoustically adapted response. Human hearing adapts to inaccurate timbre very quickly; you listen to crap for a long time, and your hearing will reshuffle to the point where it still sounds good. As long as frequency response does deviate beyond what sensory integration can adapt to, I don't feel that linearity of frequency response should always be the number one priority when it comes to "getting the most out of an earphone". Does this mean that Rin's suggestions should be ignored? No. They mostly likely work quite well for those seeking a more linear response out of the 334. However, that is not what most here are looking for, in my opinion. There's a huge difference between no-nonsense engineering and audiophile emotion. When we say, we want to get the most out of something, I tend not to look for technical perfection. If I wanted something that was as close to technically perfect as possible, I'd buy an SR-009 and listen only to binaural tracks. The 334 is far from technical perfection, but it's one of the best when it comes to IEMs. For some time, I've been tired of hearing people wanting to criticize items. Do people feel they've "wasted their time" by buying item A instead of supposedly "better" item B? Then why are we all constantly buying new things for? From the beginning of my head-fi experience to now, I've gone from purely emotion based, to thought based, to technically-oriented, and now I've just gone back to emotion. If I like something, then I do, if I don't then I don't. I won't tell others whether they're right or wrong. (I invoke original poster's privilege to rant at 3 in the morning) /rant redface.gif

 

Great rant, Tom, and I actually agree on a lot of what you're saying. That's why I wrote "whether you'll like the change in sound signature on your 334s, is however a different story". And let me tell you, I'm speaking from experience, as I've tried several of Rin's suggestions, and some I liked, but others not that much.

 

Anyway, let's just be pragmatic. These mods are non-destructive and those adapters cost $18 a piece. So me thinks it doesn't hurt to simply try and decide for oneself. smile_phones.gif

post #2509 of 3763
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

 

That 3.5 connector is good (I've actually seen all three in person, and considered buying the hybrid rhodium/gold one), but it's filthily overpriced IMHO. I'd consider the Furutech FT-735R. It's low profile, and it's very good quality as well, and not as silly expensive. The ATL plug is far too expensive, and just isn't worth it, to me, at least. If money is no object, then by all means go for it, along with the Picollino, but these things are by far zero guarantee they'll get you any closer to what you want.

 


 

Regarding the other topic, does Rin's methodology work? Yes, to the extent that they modify tonal balance to a point where it comes closer to diffuse-field flat. However, I've always wondered why he didn't show the phase/impedance plots after adding such a resistor or blocking a port. These things do affect the "little things" in musical presentation when it comes to phase presentation, and lowered electrical dampening probably affects the articulation ability of the BA to discern details, IMHO. I also wonder how these mods affect CSD and impulse response. Phase and CSD changes in the bass definitely alter the psychoacoustic perception of the transparency of the lower registers. The issue about making "modifications" is that it's much more about a means to an end --- improving the tonal linearity of the earphone, and everything else be damned. Perhaps FR is the most important when it comes to the immediacy of perceiving good, detailed, sound, but I find that frequency response linearity is not everything when it comes to a psychoacoustically adapted response. Human hearing adapts to inaccurate timbre very quickly; you listen to crap for a long time, and your hearing will reshuffle to the point where it still sounds good. As long as frequency response does deviate beyond what sensory integration can adapt to, I don't feel that linearity of frequency response should always be the number one priority when it comes to "getting the most out of an earphone". Does this mean that Rin's suggestions should be ignored? No. They mostly likely work quite well for those seeking a more linear response out of the 334. However, that is not what most here are looking for, in my opinion. There's a huge difference between no-nonsense engineering and audiophile emotion. When we say, we want to get the most out of something, I tend not to look for technical perfection. If I wanted something that was as close to technically perfect as possible, I'd buy an SR-009 and listen only to binaural tracks. The 334 is far from technical perfection, but it's one of the best when it comes to IEMs. For some time, I've been tired of hearing people wanting to criticize items. Do people feel they've "wasted their time" by buying item A instead of supposedly "better" item B? Then why are we all constantly buying new things for? From the beginning of my head-fi experience to now, I've gone from purely emotion based, to thought based, to technically-oriented, and now I've just gone back to emotion. If I like something, then I do, if I don't then I don't. I won't tell others whether they're right or wrong. (I invoke original poster's privilege to rant at 3 in the morning) /rant redface.gif

FAR too many assumptions in this post. Thing is he tests all those things and only notes on them if there's a issue, which there obviously weren't. Details are mostly frequency response related, so that makes no sense.  Take for example one his Monoprice mods, something came up with the THD, thus he posted the result of that. It's a different sound, but it is acoustically better set by his standards. 

 

Based on my experience with his mods, it's ALL frequency related, I have yet to question a phase, transient, distortion, etc issue. Though still OT, based on my experience, I feel a downsloaping DF to be flat, a true DF is a bit too bright. Either way, the 334 improves. 

 

Funny how cable are being suggested, yes they are going to be change the sound, but IMO it's foolish to spend more than even 50$ on one based on how little they change the sound 

 

@James444

My resistor bought from that seller, broke, it's really poorly made ;(. This seller sells 30ohms, though not listed, just message him, MUCH nicer. 


Edited by Inks - 3/31/13 at 6:09pm
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

Great rant, Tom, and I actually agree on a lot of what you're saying. That's why I wrote "whether you'll like the change in sound signature on your 334s, is however a different story". And let me tell you, I'm speaking from experience, as I've tried several of Rin's suggestions, and some I liked, but others not that much.

 

Anyway, let's just be pragmatic. These mods are non-destructive and those adapters cost $18 a piece. So me thinks it doesn't hurt to simply try and decide for oneself. smile_phones.gif


Oh, I wasn't necessarily trying to "target" Rin, actually. Again, I'm sure his mods work perfectly well for what he's trying to achieve. I actually do find him to be very knowledgeable, one of the most knowledgeable around, and people should take him very seriously. However, the post wasn't about him, and why should it be?

 

I was just wondering out loud (I think Rin's done this a few times as well, hasn't he?) about what those peripheral things will do to affect the overall sound, and that was before my little rant, which was mostly because of my tired and grumpy state on a damp, rainy day. My little rant was mostly about the general state of what's going on, instead of about specific people, but I'm sure others will most certainly misconstrue it (not you, of course) to no end, so I've decided to remove it. It's funny how people form dogmatic allegiances in any discussion --- there's gotta be one side or another, huh?

post #2511 of 3763

This is some pretty interesting stuff.

 

Anyone tried 30/75/100 ohm resistors and care to share their experiences?

post #2512 of 3763
I used a ~100 ohm (UE airplane adapter) and it cut the hiss out of my laptop, only had a couple minutes this morning, so no time to really compare sound.
post #2513 of 3763

Another thought - would there be any issue fitting a 30 ohm resistor in the plug of the stock starlight cable?  

 

EDIT: Inquired w/ BTG, Brian said it should be possible in a Switchcraft plug.  Think I'll order me up with a cable with one. 


Edited by bobeau - 4/1/13 at 12:30pm
post #2514 of 3763

Get the adapter I linked though, the one previously linked by James that is 18$ is of very poor quality in comparison. 

post #2515 of 3763
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

If anyone's interested, I'm selling my TG 334s: http://www.head-fi.org/t/658192/fitear-to-go-334-like-new-europe

 

 

Argh....saw this tooo late

post #2516 of 3763
My review of the Starlight FitEar cable is up at Cymbacavum:
http://cymbacavum.com/2013/04/07/btg-audio-fitear-starlight-cable/
post #2517 of 3763
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

My review of the Starlight FitEar cable is up at Cymbacavum:
http://cymbacavum.com/2013/04/07/btg-audio-fitear-starlight-cable/

 

EXCELLENT write-up!

post #2518 of 3763
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

My review of the Starlight FitEar cable is up at Cymbacavum:
http://cymbacavum.com/2013/04/07/btg-audio-fitear-starlight-cable/

Very nice review shane. While enjoying the 000 immensely, I have missed the treble the Alo cable brought to the table. So I have decided to try a Whiplash 8 conductor of the TWag Gold variety. Hopefully this will let me have my cake and eat it too. I will report on my findings when it arrives.
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So anyone know when these will become available again? Apparently none of the stockiest know when they will receive their stock again...mad.gif

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 .....none of the stockiest....

 

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Edited by burtomr - 4/12/13 at 8:04pm
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