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Mid-late March seems like a right time, with last minute testing and all
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I wish! LOL  Actually, I'm not sure about any more Customs......anyway I won't (fingers crossed) have to deal with buying a high line ear or head phones for a while. LCD3, Miracles, and 334........not much upgrading possible from here that I can see for me.

x2 I demand to have my current setup in my coffin when I leave! o2smile.gif

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IMO, the FI-BA-SS from FAD is one nice complement to the warm/thick 334.

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Overall, the 1p2 has a more exciting and fun sound to me. If I were to compare them,

I'd say the 1plus2 is like a picture taken from a high end camera and printed on a high quality printer while the tg334 is like a very very fine and high quality Painting.

I like them both on equal level, but yeah, that's how I feel. 1Plus2 sounds more fun, 334 sounds more flat. Something I'd def substitute my studio monitors with when mixing/making tracks.

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thanks! enjoy = )


Very nice review soullinker. There are some things we agree on and yet some we don't.

 

I actually found the 334s bass more forward and invasive. It lingers way too long and is to the point bloated.... While I find the 1Plus2s bass to be very well controlled and it extends very deep. I mean the quantity of its bass is more than the EX1000 bass but not a whole lot more. While the 334 IMO has a lot more bass than the EX1000 (I think even in mid bass). The mids I found to be thicker on the 334 while the 1Plus2 presents it in a more natural and realistic way. The treble on the other hand as you stated is a bit rolled off on the 334s but I detect some treble spikes which makes it slightly fatiguing for me, I can't listen to them at as high of a volume as I'd like, but the bass also comes into play with this. Now in terms of sibilance well I really don't have that issue on the 1Plus2 so I don't know what to say. On tracks where sibilance is naturally in the recording it will be there as the 1Plus2s are revealing of poor sources. But pretty much I just don't have such issues even on the silver cable. Now I don't listen at very high volumes and I'm not sure if that may also be a factor or not? Are you still getting the Studio V 3rd ANV to test it out with? The bass on that unit is as lean as I could tolerate. Probably puts the 1Plus2s bass right on EX1000 quantity, adds more treble extension/airier and the mid are more forward.


Edited by lee730 - 2/15/13 at 3:48pm
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Originally Posted by milarepa View Post

x2 I demand to have my current setup in my coffin when I leave! o2smile.gif

 

If you're going to die, your legacy would be better served by giving your current setup to someone. Then this person would remember you with gratitude and respect.

 

I volunteer.

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I can't believe how differently I hear the TG!334s... to me they're anything but thick and invasive in the low end, and I don't hear the midrange as such either. I find that the bass leans pretty neutral and quick (certainly not bass heavy at all), and the midrange is certainly very full but not thick in the least. The midrange to my ears is the most astonishing part... it's full of body, yes, but is extraordinarily detailed and resolving while having the most full and natural vocal tone of any earphone or headphone I've heard. With treble, I don't find it harsh at all. Just nicely detailed with almost a tactile sense to it. Cymbal hits seem so real and authentic. I should say this is with the ALO silver cable, which I find to nicely add some sparkle and soundstage space. And I wouldn't classify them in the warm camp (to my ears), just neutral-neutral-neutral....

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I can't believe how differently I hear the TG!334s... to me they're anything but thick and invasive in the low end, and I don't hear the midrange as such either. I find that the bass leans pretty neutral and quick (certainly not bass heavy at all), and the midrange is certainly very full but not thick in the least. The midrange to my ears is the most astonishing part... it's full of body, yes, but is extraordinarily detailed and resolving while having the most full and natural vocal tone of any earphone or headphone I've heard. With treble, I don't find it harsh at all. Just nicely detailed with almost a tactile sense to it. Cymbal hits seem so real and authentic. I should say this is with the ALO silver cable, which I find to nicely add some sparkle and soundstage space. And I wouldn't classify them in the warm camp (to my ears), just neutral-neutral-neutral....


The slow bass decay plays a big factor in this for me. Still I see it as a bass heavy IEM. While the mids are pretty much in line with its bass, there is no denying its a bass heavy IEM in terms of quantity. Now in terms of balance between the quantity of mids and bass I agree (it is on the balanced side with slight recession in the treble, while I hear the bass and mids as rather forward sounding). Its not like the discrepancy you'd find on the FX700s where indeed the bass and treble are louder than its mid range. I definitely don't hear it as a neutral IEM though but more so on the balanced side....

 

I look forward to comparing it to the 8A though :).


Edited by lee730 - 2/15/13 at 9:26pm
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Very nice review soullinker. There are some things we agree on and yet some we don't.

 

I actually found the 334s bass more forward and invasive. It lingers way too long and is to the point bloated.... While I find the 1Plus2s bass to be very well controlled and it extends very deep. I mean the quantity of its bass is more than the EX1000 bass but not a whole lot more. While the 334 IMO has a lot more bass than the EX1000 (I think even in mid bass). The mids I found to be thicker on the 334 while the 1Plus2 presents it in a more natural and realistic way. The treble on the other hand as you stated is a bit rolled off on the 334s but I detect some treble spikes which makes it slightly fatiguing for me, I can't listen to them at as high of a volume as I'd like, but the bass also comes into play with this. Now in terms of sibilance well I really don't have that issue on the 1Plus2 so I don't know what to say. On tracks where sibilance is naturally in the recording it will be there as the 1Plus2s are revealing of poor sources. But pretty much I just don't have such issues even on the silver cable. Now I don't listen at very high volumes and I'm not sure if that may also be a factor or not? Are you still getting the Studio V 3rd ANV to test it out with? The bass on that unit is as lean as I could tolerate. Probably puts the 1Plus2s bass right on EX1000 quantity, adds more treble extension/airier and the mid are more forward.

 

At this point I think most of the audience who may know you and I knows that we disagree in our views of the 1Plus2 and the TG!334. I had the TG!334 for 9 months before (regretfully) selling it, and now I've had the 1Plus2 for 7 weeks listening to it exclusively. I hear the spike in the TG!334 but at least to my ears it's not fatiguing. Rather I find the 1Plus2's treble isn't a spike but more  constant forward sibilance that's fatiguing. Whilst I can and have listened to the TG!334 for hours, the 1Plus2 in less time. Also in having many standard FLACs, hires FLACs, and even exchanged test WAV with Tralucent, the sibilance isn't only limited to poor rips/sources. These were good quality FLACs and WAV (especially when samples come from Tralucent themselves), and played on two different types of DAPs (DX100 & RWAK100). I know you're fond of the Studio 3rd ANV but have no experience with that but in your past posts you've implied that you're happy with silver cables with the Studio, maybe the amp employed by that DAP is somewhat more naturally warmer that it balanced out the 1Plus2's silver cables' brightness and sibilance?

 

I found during my ownership of the TG!334 though is not just about how bloated the bass is, or how thick the mids are, but it's the way it renders and textures across those frequencies. It's these features which are more subtle that one appreciates the TG!334 over time but at least in some of the TG!334 owners I've talked to, is realised only by having these IEMs in your hands over an extended duration. It's not so easily appreciated listening to them briefly over, such as, a 30 min cuppa coffee or something short like that.

 

SoulLinker. Great you had both in your hands for 2 weeks and I agree with your findings. At the end of the day it's not so much which is more superior but matter of which IEM suits whose ears. And it's sounding that we may have similar sonic preferences & tastes.

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At this point I think most of the audience who may know you and I knows that we disagree in our views of the 1Plus2 and the TG!334. I had the TG!334 for 9 months before (regretfully) selling it, and now I've had the 1Plus2 for 7 weeks listening to it exclusively. I hear the spike in the TG!334 but at least to my ears it's not fatiguing. Rather I find the 1Plus2's treble isn't a spike but more  constant forward sibilance that's fatiguing. Whilst I can and have listened to the TG!334 for hours, the 1Plus2 in less time. Also in having many standard FLACs, hires FLACs, and even exchanged test WAV with Tralucent, the sibilance isn't only limited to poor rips/sources. These were good quality FLACs and WAV (especially when samples come from Tralucent themselves), and played on two different types of DAPs (DX100 & RWAK100). I know you're fond of the Studio 3rd ANV but have no experience with that but in your past posts you've implied that you're happy with silver cables with the Studio, maybe the amp employed by that DAP is somewhat more naturally warmer that it balanced out the 1Plus2's silver cables' brightness and sibilance?

 

I found during my ownership of the TG!334 though is not just about how bloated the bass is, or how thick the mids are, but it's the way it renders and textures across those frequencies. It's these features which are more subtle that one appreciates the TG!334 over time but at least in some of the TG!334 owners I've talked to, is realized only by having these IEMs in your hands over an extended duration. It's not so easily appreciated listening to them briefly over, such as, a 30 min cuppa coffee or something short like that.

 

SoulLinker. Great you had both in your hands for 2 weeks and I agree with your findings. At the end of the day it's not so much which is more superior but matter of which IEM suits whose ears. And it's sounding that we may have similar sonic preferences & tastes.



Actually Anackan the Studio V is not warmer than any of my other DAPs. It's actually colder sounding. But the treble is very sweet and smooth sounding yet is extremely airy and extended. Vocals are very upfront and the sound stage is very wide and spacious. Like a breath of air. I just happened to enjoy the clarity, resolving power and balance even more with the silver cable on this particular pairing. Since I mainly use the Studio V with my 1Plus2s it works out best that way (I do slightly prefer the gold cable while on the Triad L3 rig). Bass is very well controlled. Any leaner and it would be verging on rolled off bass so it's right at the boundary. I'd say the quantity of bass is about the same as the EX1000 when pairing the 1Plus2 to the Studio V. Of course if I listen at high volumes the Studio V will get fatiguing due to its very rich imaging. That is where I see its true power, in the imaging and how strong it is. While on most other players my issue is not being satisfied with said volumes and I keep wanting to pump it up. All that comes of this is me getting fatigued and still being pissed (not satisfied). While on the Studio I'm pretty much satiated at a reasonable volume and will do minor adjustments depending on the tracks. So in total at least for me is just having that satisfaction in the sound. My ears are still peeled on the Tera player but just hearing some of aces comments makes me wonder if that $700 premium over the Studio V is even worth it. He feels they are very similar in musicality on the 1Plus2s and there isn't much of a difference at all....


Edited by lee730 - 2/15/13 at 11:49pm
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Actually Anackan the Studio V is not warmer than any of my other DAPs. It's actually colder sounding. But the treble is very sweet and smooth sounding yet is extremely airy and extended. Vocals are very upfront and the sound stage is very wide and spacious. Like a breath of air. I just happened to enjoy the clarity, resolving power and balance even more with the silver cable on this particular pairing. Since I mainly use the Studio V with my 1Plus2s it works out best that way (I do slightly prefer the gold cable while on the Triad L3 rig). Bass is very well controlled. Any leaner and it would be verging on rolled off bass so it's right at the boundary. I'd say the quantity of bass is about the same as the EX1000 when pairing the 1Plus2 to the Studio V. Of course if I listen at high volumes the Studio V will get fatiguing due to its very rich imaging. That is where I see its true power, in the imaging and how strong it is. While on most other players my issue is not being satisfied with said volumes and I keep wanting to pump it up. All that comes of this is me getting fatigued and still being pissed (not satisfied). While on the Studio I'm pretty much satiated at a reasonable volume and will do minor adjustments depending on the tracks. So in total at least for me is just having that satisfaction in the sound. My ears are still peeled on the Tera player but just hearing some of aces comments makes me wonder if that $700 premium over the Studio V is even worth it. He feels they are very similar in musicality on the 1Plus2s and there isn't much of a difference at all....

 

I see...that's actually good to know. It's a pity that from your posts it sounds to get the most out of the standard 1Plus2 (i.e. no fancy silver/gold cable upgrade) that it has to be paired with a specific DAP. I have tried various combinations with 1Plus2 silver but didn't work too well for me and seems soullinker's tests have further extended that source/DAP-base tests.

 

Anyhow getting OT for this thread. Again I'd encourage you to spend more time with the TG!334 for a longer period - maybe like a 1-2 week loan or something. Would be interesting to see how that works with the 3rd ANV.

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I see...that's actually good to know. It's a pity that from your posts it sounds to get the most out of the standard 1Plus2 (i.e. no fancy silver/gold cable upgrade) that it has to be paired with a specific DAP. I have tried various combinations with 1Plus2 silver but didn't work too well for me and seems soullinker's tests have further extended that source/DAP-base tests.

 

Anyhow getting OT for this thread. Again I'd encourage you to spend more time with the TG!334 for a longer period - maybe like a 1-2 week loan or something. Would be interesting to see how that works with the 3rd ANV.


I actually should be able to demo them for some time later this year. They are also a newer pair so my impressions may be different from Saraguies pair. I mean it is very well a possibility because more than one person confirmed with me they heard differences between the older stock and the more recent ones. So I'll keep an open mind. I do have to disagree though on the 1Plus2s being limited to a very specific range of DAPs in terms of synergy. I just happen to feel the Studio V 3rd ANV is the best pairing I've heard thus far. I also really liked them on the DX100/T1 amp combo. But considering the price of that rig as well as the bulk and battery life, it just wasn't worth owning. Plus I actually prefer the sound of the Studio in this specific pairing. I also find the Heir 8As to pair really well with the Studio so I'm quite happy. Although I do notice more hiss with the 8As. But for general listening it's a none issue.

 

I did demo the Studio V 3rd ANV on the 334s and I really did like the sound as well. Problem is the 334s are so sensitive and it really makes the hiss quite loud on them to the point where I don't find it acceptable. The 334s are one of the most sensitive IEMs I've heard yet.


Edited by lee730 - 2/16/13 at 3:37am
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I actually should be able to demo them for some time later this year. They are also a newer pair so my impressions may be different from Saraguies pair. I mean it is very well a possibility because more than one person confirmed with me they heard differences between the older stock and the more recent ones. So I'll keep an open mind. I do have to disagree though on the 1Plus2s being limited to a very specific range of DAPs in terms of synergy. I just happen to feel the Studio V 3rd ANV is the best pairing I've heard thus far. I also really liked them on the DX100/T1 amp combo. But considering the price of that rig as well as the bulk and battery life, it just wasn't worth owning. Plus I actually prefer the sound of the Studio in this specific pairing. I also find the Heir 8As to pair really well with the Studio so I'm quite happy. Although I do notice more hiss with the 8As. But for general listening it's a none issue.

 

I did demo the Studio V 3rd ANV on the 334s and I really did like the sound as well. Problem is the 334s are so sensitive and it really makes the hiss quite loud on them to the point where I don't find it acceptable. The 334s are one of the most sensitive IEMs I've heard yet.

 

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt then about DAP pairing as that's a different topic altogether from this thread.

 

Yes I gathered you did try the Studio 3rd ANV with the 334 but the operative phrase was "extended time". Hopefully you will be able to demo for a longer period later this year as you mentioned. I actually don't see the 334's sensitivity to hiss as a problem. In fact I use it as gauge on hiss for amps. The 335 is also quite sensitive to hiss too and it could be inherent to the FitEar design. Having said that the hiss has personally never really bothered me and if I came across a setup with the 334 with unacceptable strong hiss, personally I'd look at the issue is with the amp, rather than what the issue is with the earphone.

 

About 334 SQ inconsistency, I know where this is coming from and last year I even tried following up. I have to admit that it came to a dead-end (the investigation). Aside from that, hearing a few different TG!334s last year, I honestly didn't hear any differences in batches. Being here in Tokyo, before the TG!334 ran out of stock, I was lucky enough to be able to get my grubby hands on a few to play around with and to my ears I couldn't hear differences. As such for now I'm inclined to think there was just something isolated to specific batches.

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alright then let's put it this way
so it sounds really good with the Studio V.. in my case they do sound good with all of the sources i paired them except that the sibilance on those are more prominent that's why I ended up with imod/int'l ..

I don't think there's still a need to show how good they sound with regards on the issues it's already written on the past reviews/impressions of how good the 1plus2 are.. my only issue with them is regardless of how they sound that good the sibilance was really a bothersome for me.. I accept that u disagree with some of my impressions and so do I too especially on the silver and silver/gold cables..
both of them are impressive it just depends on how the listener wanted his/her song presented to him

just my 2 cents
Edited by soullinker20 - 2/16/13 at 6:08am
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x2 I demand to have my current setup in my coffin when I leave! o2smile.gif

 

If you're going to die, your legacy would be better served by giving your current setup to someone. Then this person would remember you with gratitude and respect.

 

I volunteer.

Lol, I just slipped my notary with a memo containing the words: "last will" and "sinocelt"!

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