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post #1891 of 4415
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Originally Posted by soullinker20 View Post

 

 

 LCD 2/3


Hmm the Heir 8A is also compared to the LCD2. So I'm wondering if it will have a similar sound signature to the Fit Ear 334? Guess we'll see.....

post #1892 of 4415
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


Hmm the Heir 8A is also compared to the LCD2. So I'm wondering if it will have a similar sound signature to the Fit Ear 334? Guess we'll see.....

 

To me the TG!334 does not sound like the LCD-2 or LCD-3, but more like the SR-007. The Heir 8.A on the other hand reminds me of the Audez'e more.

 

The Heir 8.A is more euphonic and less transparent than the TG!334. They both could be said to have a slightly darker tonality, but the lower end of the 8.A is more emphasized whereas the TG!334's varies more from track to track.


Edited by MuppetFace - 1/14/13 at 2:04am
post #1893 of 4415
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

 

To me the TG!334 does not sound like the LCD-2 or LCD-3, though the 8.A is similar in some ways. The Heir 8.A is more euphonic and less transparent than the TG!334. The both have a slight lower-end balance, but the 8.A moreso.


Ok I was kinda hoping the 8A wouldn't sound exactly like the 334 as I'm already G in the transparency department with my 1Plus2s. Pretty much I wanted the 8A for a completely different sound signature (which I also really enjoy). I'll always have a spot in my heart for bassy and euphoric sound signatures and from all the rave reviews it seems the 8As really hit the mark on that while not completely going overboard and managing to have decent accuracy. While the 1Plus2 are quite neutral to be honest and don't lack in anything.

 

If you were to compare the 334 to a full size headphone which would come to mind?


Edited by lee730 - 1/14/13 at 2:05am
post #1894 of 4415
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

If you were to compare the 334 to a full size headphone which would come to mind then?

 

I think I ninja'd you by a minute. : P

 

Edited my post.

post #1895 of 4415
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

 

I think I ninja'd you by a minute. : P

 

Edited my post.


lol thanks :). Can you give a comparison between their bass? I found the 334 to be quite thick, like molasses. Is the 8a anything like that or is it more open (spread out). I find the 334s bass to be extremely compacted. I've just never heard anything like that before. Left me a bit.... confused.gif


Edited by lee730 - 1/14/13 at 2:11am
post #1896 of 4415
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


lol thanks :). Can you give a comparison between their bass? I found the 334 to be quite thick, like molasses. Is the 8a anything like that or is it more open (spread out). I find the 334s bass to be extremely compacted. I've just never heard anything like that before. Left me a bit.... confused.gif

 

I think we may hear things very differently, or be using different nomenclature. I'll say that to me, the 8.A sounds bassier and thicker overall. It sounds more colored.

post #1897 of 4415
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

 

I think we may hear things very differently, or be using different nomenclature. I'll say that to me, the 8.A sounds bassier and thicker overall. It sounds more colored.


I'm talking about how compacted the 334 bass was to me. Not sure if that makes sense to you. The bass was extremely thick in comparison to anything I've heard before. I'm hoping it won't be too much for my liking then lol. Maybe the silver cable will help in that regards.... rolleyes.gif

 

In comparison to the older 1Plus2 which had even more bass presence than the Fit Ear 334 but had much better control over its bass and its bass was more open and not so compacted and congested. Does that kinda explain it a bit better for you? At least how I felt on the 334 was the sound was very closed in/dense in comparison to what I'm use to.


Edited by lee730 - 1/14/13 at 2:40am
post #1898 of 4415
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


I'm talking about how compacted the 334 bass was to me. Not sure if that makes sense to you. The bass was extremely thick in comparison to anything I've heard before. I'm hoping it won't be too much for my liking then lol. Maybe the silver cable will help in that regards.... rolleyes.gif

 

In comparison to the older 1Plus2 which had even more bass presence than the Fit Ear 334 but had much better control over its bass and its bass was more open and not so compacted and congested. Does that kinda explain it a bit better for you? At least how I felt on the 334 was the sound was very closed in/dense in comparison to what I'm use to.

 

I think the area where I'm not really getting you is when you say compacted, closed-in, and congested. Those are terms I associate more with instrument separation and soundstage. When you say the bass is thick however, I think I follow. It sounds like you hear the TG!334's bass as having a lot of harmonic distortion: ie. thick, bloated, out-of-control.

 

In that case, we hear the TG!334 very differently as to me the bass sounds very clean and well-controlled. Perhaps we can find a point of reference: how do you hear the bass on the TG!334 compared to the FX700?

 

You may find the 8.A's bass sounds somewhat tighter than the TG!334, but the overall quantity of the 8.A it makes it sound thicker to me.


Edited by MuppetFace - 1/14/13 at 3:05am
post #1899 of 4415
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

 

I think the area where I'm not really getting you is when you say compacted, closed-in, and congested. Those are terms I associate more with instrument separation and soundstage. When you say the bass is thick however, I think I follow. It sounds like you hear the TG!334's bass as having a lot of harmonic distortion: ie. thick, bloated, out-of-control.

 

In that case, we hear the TG!334 very differently as to me the bass sounds very clean and well-controlled. Perhaps we can find a point of reference: how do you hear the bass on the TG!334 compared to the FX700?


Well depending on the FX700s volume I could say the FX700 could get out of hand quickly in quantity lol. But listening at reasonable volumes I found the FX700 bass to be quite good. Even neutral if you listen at low volumes. Pretty much the reason I got rid of them is because I couldn't enjoy them unless at extremely low volumes as treble and bass would get out of hand in comparison to its mids.... :(  

 

But comparing them I'd think the 334s bass would be more dense. That is what surprised me about it. It just didn't sound natural at all.... I mean maybe I could get use to it but I was quite shocked when I first heard that type of bass. I've honestly never heard bass like that before Muppet. The FX700s bass would appear to be more natural and open sounding to me. Yet as I said once you start turning it up it goes way out of hand as well lol. I really did enjoy those FX700s, was kinda hoping they'd fix the mids issue on them and the damn cable....

 

But comparing my older version of 1Plus2s to the FX700 would make the FX700s sound muddy when you start to turn the volume up. They had really good control for such bass presence and it was open, had great authority & speed without clouding the mids and treble. I was kinda hoping the 8A would be more along the lines of my older pair of 1Plus2 (which are indeed more of a fun IEM but not really lacking in detail to be honest).


Edited by lee730 - 1/14/13 at 3:45am
post #1900 of 4415
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

I think the area where I'm not really getting you is when you say compacted, closed-in, and congested. Those are terms I associate more with instrument separation and soundstage. When you say the bass is thick however, I think I follow. It sounds like you hear the TG!334's bass as having a lot of harmonic distortion: ie. thick, bloated, out-of-control.

In that case, we hear the TG!334 very differently as to me the bass sounds very clean and well-controlled. Perhaps we can find a point of reference: how do you hear the bass on the TG!334 compared to the FX700?
I think when people hear the TG!334 people have issues describing the bass. I've had this IEM 8-9 months & I didn't feel it to be bassy but just warm. To me "bassy" is like the V-Moda Crossfade LP & LP2. This could be me but I find the bass through to the mids to be forward linear or forward flat before tapering/rolling off to a treble neutral linear or treble neutral flat...except towards the end of the treble spectrum where there's a bit of a brief spike.

At least to me, bassy is when it's forward relative to the frequencies around it (in this case since the bass is at the end of the spectrum, relative to the mids). Since the TG!334 mids aren't withdrawn, not neutral, not recessed, the bass is therefore not forward relatively speaking and as such in my definition, it's not really bassy.

I think DeadLoveStory hit the nail on the head though about the bass decay.
post #1901 of 4415
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post


I think when people hear the TG!334 people have issues describing the bass. I've had this IEM 8-9 months & I didn't feel it to be bassy but just warm. To me "bassy" is like the V-Moda Crossfade LP & LP2. This could be me but I find the bass through to the mids to be forward linear or forward flat before tapering/rolling off to a treble neutral linear or treble neutral flat...except towards the end of the treble spectrum where there's a bit of a brief spike.

At least to me, bassy is when it's forward relative to the frequencies around it (in this case since the bass is at the end of the spectrum, relative to the mids). Since the TG!334 mids aren't withdrawn, not neutral, not recessed, the bass is therefore not forward relatively speaking and as such in my definition, it's not really bassy.

I think DeadLoveStory hit the nail on the head though about the bass decay.


Yeah the slow bass decay could be playing a big part in this as well. But I still consider the 334 to be a bass heavy IEM. I know it's rather balanced in comparison to its mids but come on lol. It is a bassy IEM in terms of quantity....

 

@muppet. Thanks for the follow up. I do think a part of what I'm getting at is indeed what AnakChan had mentioned about the slower decay of the bass. Plus you mention the 8A may have tighter bass. That is also something that I am hoping for. I don't mind more bass quantity but at the same time I don't want it to muddy up the entire presentation. Now if it flows together well with the treble and mids without being invasive then I should be happy :).


Edited by lee730 - 1/14/13 at 3:50am
post #1902 of 4415
hmm, I am a fan of the lcd2/3 tonal balance and sound signature but opinions seem to differ here. sr007 I have not heard, but can't imagine them having a tonal balance unsuited to me after reading about them. I tend to like a bit smoother treble so it does seem promising this far. just a tad worried the upper mids may be unsatisfying for some music. I really don't like it when there is a dip in the upper mids a la sennheiser amperior as an example. when in a song the vocalist raises his/her voice but the volume goes down instead... hope you understand! takes away so much of the experience.

thanks!
post #1903 of 4415
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Originally Posted by munchzilla View Post

hmm, I am a fan of the lcd2/3 tonal balance and sound signature but opinions seem to differ here. sr007 I have not heard, but can't imagine them having a tonal balance unsuited to me after reading about them. I tend to like a bit smoother treble so it does seem promising this far. just a tad worried the upper mids may be unsatisfying for some music. I really don't like it when there is a dip in the upper mids a la sennheiser amperior as an example. when in a song the vocalist raises his/her voice but the volume goes down instead... hope you understand! takes away so much of the experience.

thanks!

 

 

what i meant was the presentation resemblance of the two for me

post #1904 of 4415
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


Yeah the slow bass decay could be playing a big part in this as well. But I still consider the 334 to be a bass heavy IEM. I know it's rather balanced in comparison to its mids but come on lol. It is a bassy IEM in terms of quantity....

 

@muppet. Thanks for the follow up. I do think a part of what I'm getting at is indeed what AnakChan had mentioned about the slower decay of the bass. Plus you mention the 8A may have tighter bass. That is also something that I am hoping for. I don't mind more bass quantity but at the same time I don't want it to muddy up the entire presentation. Now if it flows together well with the treble and mids without being invasive then I should be happy :).

 

I didn't say it. I just quoted it from DeadLoveStory...I claim no responsibility :-P. I'm just agreeing with him (her, whatever).

 

By the way, I borrowed my friend's SR-007A (Mk2 for overseas Stax followers), and I agree with MuppetFace that the TG!334 is close to that more so than the Audeze''s (anything I publicly or privately said about the TG!334 being a close match to the LCD's, please ignore - MF's description is more accurate).

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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

 

I didn't say it. I just quoted it from DeadLoveStory...I claim no responsibility :-P. I'm just agreeing with him (her, whatever).

 

By the way, I borrowed my friend's SR-007A (Mk2 for overseas Stax followers), and I agree with MuppetFace that the TG!334 is close to that more so than the Audeze''s (anything I publicly or privately said about the TG!334 being a close match to the LCD's, please ignore - MF's description is more accurate).


lol being passive-aggressive aren't we ;-)...

 

Anyways I think you hit it right on the nose. When I'm referring to the congestion I am really talking about the slow bass decay. The notes lingering is just something so different in conjunction with how thick the bass is and pretty much how the entire presentation is presented. confused.gif  Thanks for bringing it to light lol. Just couldn't find the proper term for it. But it really makes sense because the speed of even the older 1Plus2 was noticeably faster and more controlled (yet still having more presence) than the 334 and thus confirms my feelings. Still I have to admit it is a very unique sound that I have not heard before on any other IEM. Just not exactly my cup of tea. beerchug.gif


Edited by lee730 - 1/14/13 at 4:03am
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