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post #2191 of 3524
It's funny how you see the different fanboy/girls smily_headphones1.gif I am joining you Lee in the 1plus2 club in 1 or 2 weeks...and maybe MF too if I can ever procure the Kaede...
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I'm of the understanding that the IE800 has a very different sound sig from the 8 and 800 though.

I'll have a read on the flat4. I'm using my mobile so using short forms where possible.

Thanks for the input though. Much appreciated.

At the end of it all, I want something fun but it has to be a significant upgrade on my IE8s.

 

Both the IE800 and Flat4 are U-shaped, which typically gets associated with "fun sounding." However they're also serious reference class IEMs in my opinion, and would be a significant upgrade over the IE8.

 

I'll go on record saying the IE800 has the best midrange of any universal I've ever heard, including the TG 334. It retains the bass emphasis of the IE8 and IE80, but overall sounds much more refined. The Flat4 is more detail-oriented in presentation than the IE800, and bass on the Flat4 seems tighter and better controlled than the IE800, however it's also a bit brighter than the IE800 as well.

 

The TG 334 is darker sounding compared to both the IE800 and Flat4. It has more of a monitor type sound, and I wouldn't really describe it as "fun" in the same way as the other two, however it is the most chameleonic of the three and most versatile to my ears. It's the most refined of the three overall. It has a slight bass emphasis, less in terms of sheer quantity compared to the other two, however the bass is a bit on the slow side which might bother some people.

 

The Tralucent 1Plus2 is a universal with an amorphous shell like the TG 334. I don't have any experience with it, but hopefully I'll have a set in the coming months as they sound very promising. I recommend AnakChan's review, which does a good job covering what he feels to be pros and cons of them:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/products/tralucent-audio-1plus2/reviews/8314

post #2193 of 3524
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

Have you considered the Tralucent 1Plus2? Definitely power to its sub bass yet it is extremely controlled. It's a neutral IEM though IMO. But if you wanted to make it more colored simply changing its standard silver cable to the gold one will yield such results. Personally I love how it sounds with the stock silver cable. :) Still there is a waiting list to my knowledge as they are booked until March... The 8As are another good option IMO in reference to musical and fun sounding. I absolutely love both of them :).

 

I don't understand the point of the gold cable. Silver has the lowest resistance to electricity of any metal, why down grade? Why make it harder for the signal to reach the transducers?

 

Silvers resistance is 1.59×10−8 (ρ (Ω•m) at 20 °C), golds resistance is 2.44×10−8 and coppers resistance is 1.68×10−8. So even copper is a better choice than gold.

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I don't understand the point of the gold cable. Silver has the lowest resistance to electricity of any metal, why down grade? Why make it harder for the signal to reach the transducers?

 

Silvers resistance is 1.59×10−8 (ρ (Ω•m) at 20 °C), golds resistance is 2.44×10−8 and coppers resistance is 1.68×10−8. So even copper is a better choice than gold.


It changes the sound temporaryname. It has been confirmed by several headfiers who hear this difference. The gold cable at least for me is a more euphoric sound. More musical in a sense. Easier on the ears. The gold cable is a mix of pure silver cable injected with gold to my knowledge. I find it smooths the treble, making it more silky smooth, adds a bit more depth/texture to the bass, even a tad more quantity. It seems to bring vocals a bit more upfront and the sound stage is a bit smaller (more intimate). Some people actually had problems with the silver cable being too revealing and to them it sounds unnatural so they like the sound the gold cable has more on the 1Plus2s.

 

I'm actually using the gold cable on my Heir 8As and I'm really enjoying it. It really just adds a bit more to the 8As musical approach and I happen to enjoy that. Very easy on the ears and I can listen for hours without fatigue :).


Edited by lee730 - 2/15/13 at 5:23am
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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post

It's funny how you see the different fanboy/girls smily_headphones1.gif I am joining you Lee in the 1plus2 club in 1 or 2 weeks...and maybe MF too if I can ever procure the Kaede...


Well I hope you all enjoy them as much as I do lol. But I'm currently on a honey moon with my 8As and it's quite a nice one at that. I like how these two IEMs really contrast and take different approaches to music. It keeps things fresh and I don't feel like I made a side-grade or downgrade purchase in that respects (I hate those types of purchases! lol).

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Thanks MuppetFace and lee730. Much appreciated. 

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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


It changes the sound temporaryname. It has been confirmed by several headfiers who hear this difference. The gold cable at least for me is a more euphoric sound. More musical in a sense. Easier on the ears. The gold cable is a mix of pure silver cable injected with gold to my knowledge. I find it smooths the treble, making it more silky smooth, adds a bit more depth/texture to the bass, even a tad more quantity. It seems to bring vocals a bit more upfront and the sound stage is a bit smaller (more intimate). Some people actually had problems with the silver cable being too revealing and to them it sounds unnatural so they like the sound the gold cable has more on the 1Plus2s.

 

I'm actually using the gold cable on my Heir 8As and I'm really enjoying it. It really just adds a bit more to the 8As musical approach and I happen to enjoy that. Very easy on the ears and I can listen for hours without fatigue :).

 

I know it would change the sound. I guess it's an easy way to nudge the sound into someones own personalized preference. How much do one of these gold cables go for? Because I'd hazard a guess a resistor added onto the end of the silver cable would have the same results, for much cheaper.

 

In regards to peoples opinions that the silver cable was too revealing (I have issues with that description), are they not used to hearing their music in a different sound signature? Would muddying up the sound with eq make it sound more natural? This reminds me of the old 'make digital sound analog' trick by applying a low pass filter to digital music. People would swear the music sounded better. All I can think is that people really enjoy their 1plus2's and a percentage of them enjoy them more if they had a slightly different sound. It's all very confusing.

post #2198 of 3524
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Originally Posted by temporaryname View Post

 

I know it would change the sound. I guess it's an easy way to nudge the sound into someones own personalized preference. How much do one of these gold cables go for? Because I'd hazard a guess a resistor added onto the end of the silver cable would have the same results, for much cheaper.

 

In regards to peoples opinions that the silver cable was too revealing (I have issues with that description), are they not used to hearing their music in a different sound signature? Would muddying up the sound with eq make it sound more natural? This reminds me of the old 'make digital sound analog' trick by applying a low pass filter to digital music. People would swear the music sounded better. All I can think is that people really enjoy their 1plus2's and a percentage of them enjoy them more if they had a slightly different sound. It's all very confusing.

 

I really think there is more to it than just adding resistance. I mean adding a resistor in the chain at least for me will result in undesired results. Such as the mids sounding distant and the sound pretty much tilting towards treble. Yet the treble doesn't sound right as well. One reason why I don't use a ohm resistor on the Studio V because it just dulls the sound.

 

For me though I find the silver cable to suite my needs better. I like the transparency it brings and it pairs extremely well together with the Studio V 3rd ANV. Overall I feel the 1Plus2s are most neutral with the silver cable while the gold cable add more coloration to it. When I switched back to the gold I felt something was missing. Just didn't quite have the wow factor I get on the silver cable. Although I could live with it but I just prefer what sounds best to me. Then again I really did like the gold cable with other sources so that also does play a roll (what gear you are pairing it with). One thing is for sure though, the 1Plus2s are chameleons and in that very revealing.

 

I really do not know the exact price of the gold cable but I do know generally it is not cheap and silver cable is noticeably cheaper. Tralucent was offering the gold cable for noticeably cheaper if you upgrade the cable upon purchasing the 1Plus2.


Edited by lee730 - 2/15/13 at 5:57am
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I know lol :P.

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Kill joy :P

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1plus2 vs TG334

 

clas/mk3 intruder v3, Tera Player, DX100, Colorfly C4

 

 

I would say that the 1plus2 sounds special to me. During my AB tests, I used different sources and amps, all from VZ's equips..

I find the 1plus2 a tad more detailed than the tg334, but it depends on the source that I used. Obviously the tg334 sounds warmer.

Bass on the 1p2 has a lot more impact and quantity. I used the stock cable on the tg334, the 000 with it sounds bloated a bit. I would have preferred the 1plus2's bass on the first listen.

 

Mids, this is where the 1plus2 wowed me. Vocals has more clarity and definition and sounds less forward than the tg334 while both of them are transparent. I prefer the 1p2's again. instruments sound clearer on the 1p2

 

 

Highs on the 1p2 again I prefer than the tg334, they have more quantity and airy and presence across the spectrum and extension that makes the highs of tg334 a bit rolled off. Highs sound a bit thin to me, wished it had more weight and impact

 

Soundstage is very impressive on the 1plus2 while the tg334 is no slouch in this area. There is more resolution on the 1plus2. Instrument separation is way better on the 1plus2. I would say that i really like the u shape sign of the 1p2.

 

 

This is where it gets interesting, though with the dap, amps used above, the 1p2 MAY have the edge on the tg334 in terms of technicality. Presentation wise, I prefer the 1plus2 period. I had all the time to listen to them 'til I get tired listening to both. The 1p2 may sound like what I'm really looking for but no matter what I do even changing the ortofon tips to the tg334 stock large tips, though the tg334 tips have greatly reduced the sibilance, it is still painful to me. this is the reason why i tried it with all those sources above, I was hoping that i could find the right one but no matter how I kept changing the sources/amps, i can't get past the sibilance. This is my main gripe with the 1plus2.

 

 

 

The Turning point:  iMod 80gb RBoxed > ALO international

 

This one really made me decide on which one I think is worth it for me to keep. Though you might already know why.

This setup changed the tg334 vs 1plus2 for me, it gave them new life for me. the 1plus2 has lesser sibilance on this setup, but this doesn't mean I can listen to them with all of my songs already. The Int'l sound transparent and natural and has a huge soundstage, bass is more controlled even out of the box than RSA intruder. I find both 'phones synergetic with them. I still find it sibilant but less painful. Before I could not get past one of my tracks that I can easily listen to the tg334. Now, I can but I cannot listen to my other sibilant songs 2-3 more times.

 

This is where I get to love and appreciate more the tg334 not because they don't sound sibilant like the 1plus2 but because the setup made them shine for me. I am glad I have found the right setup to AB them extensively.

Let's get to the point, after 2 weeks of AB which would I prefer now?

TG!334

 

the bass on the 1plus2 is forward, impactful and very tight!

the tg334 w/ stock 001 cables' bass DO NOT sound bloated on this setup. it is controlled punchy, polite but not forward

 

the mids I would prefer the tg334's. although both of them are transparent, the tg334 don't sound as warm as before. on the 1plus2, it is borderline thin already unlike on other setups especially on the C4

 

highs - while i would really prefer the 1plus2 highs, i can't seem to find a fault on the tg334's highs on this setup though they are still less extended than the 1plus2

 

Why do I like them now than 1plus2?

Presentation

 

As you can see I said that I prefer the 1plus2's presentation. But this setup really changed it for me and exposed both of their presentation. The tg334 isn't as forward sounding on this setup. This may have answered my gripe with the tg334 too. I can hear the details now that I cannot hear before because of how forward it is. I would say that both do sound on par now for me when it comes to detailing and also because the tg334 isn't that warm on this setup which I do find it masks some micro details bcoz of its warmness on other setups.

The 1plus2 still has a larger soundstage but the forward bass and highs fill up the whole soundstage for me, while the tg334 has a lot of spacing too in which I find it more acceptable for my liking. I wish that the bass on the 1plus2 was less forward it is too forward for me. On other setups I easily get fatigued with them especially when listening to Lazarus AD Who I really am. On the imod/int'l setup thankfully it is lesser. Still the highs sound a bit thin to me, the highs on the tg334 has more weight and impact for me. tg334 isn't missing any details but is just a bit rolled off. The tg334 never sound congested and not even a hint of congestion at least in my case.

 

The 1plus2 sound a bit "a little too perfect"  or "too clear" for me at times. I felt the bass is sometimes really powerful depending on the song. I find the tg334 to sound natural than the presentation and sound of the 1plus2. While the 1plus2 still has the upper hand on the instrument separation which I love, the bass for a lot of times take my attention away from it and on the tg334, the bass is on the level of mids giving a tight, punchy and BA bass sound which I don't find overwhelming

 

Lastly, the iMod + Int' setup has done a great job for me making me realize how good my tg334s are.. my gripes have been solved on this one though the highs is still left me desiring for a bit more in quantity. The presentation of the tg334 becomes a bit laid back on this setup.

 

On other setups I have to be honest the 1plus2 is a nightmare to me even with fitear tips. I can easily recommend the tg334 than the 1p2 because of this.

 

 

 

 

Overall, the 1p2 has a more exciting and fun sound to me. If I were to compare them,

I'd say the 1plus2 is like a picture taken from a high end camera and printed on a high quality printer while the tg334 is like a very very fine and high quality Painting.

 

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

 

Special thanks to VZERO for lending, loaning and giving all the time to use all of his stuffs

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Thanks for the great comparison!

It seems like the 1Plus2s and the 334s would complement each other very well.

Can't wait for my HiFi M8 to get here smily_headphones1.gif

Will post how the 334s do with them when I get the chance!

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Thanks for the great comparison!
It seems like the 1Plus2s and the 334s would complement each other very well.
Can't wait for my HiFi M8 to get here smily_headphones1.gif

Will post how the 334s do with them when I get the chance!

thanks! enjoy = )
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Thanks for the great comparison!

It seems like the 1Plus2s and the 334s would complement each other very well.

Can't wait for my HiFi M8 to get here smily_headphones1.gif

Will post how the 334s do with them when I get the chance!

X2.......I think my original prediction when I pre-ordered is coming true, which is last part of March cool.gif

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