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post #1531 of 2627
11/18/12 at 8:58am
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For me the stock RE262 have a much warmer sound than the TG334, this is why I prefer the RE262 with the foams removed, brighter and more sparkle. However, from my memory, they are still warmer than the 334, due to the roll-off treble, there isn't much of treb energy in them. The RE262's mid is also more mellow, both are smooth and great with vocal, but the 334 has a more neutral tone which covers a wider range of genre, definitely much more versatile. The bass on 262 is looser, less quantity, 334 have punchier bass, more impact with better attack and speed, I would say that the 262's bass is a bit slow for me. The sound signature of  the 262 as a whole is more relax, more mellow, quite intimate with female vocals as well, kinda like a tube amp sound IMO, they are just not as engaging as the TG334 to me. Other aspects such as detail, soundstage, imaginng, extensions, there's pretty much no competition, the 334 have the upper hand.

 

Well that's a comparison from my memory, my RE262's cable is broke and I don't touch them anymore, the last time I heard them was like 2 months ago rolleyes.gif

 

Thanks. I wasn't expecting the RE262 to measure up to the 334, but was merely curious about its sonic signature compared to the 334; I guess I've been looking for a relaxed counterpoint to my generally revealing and clarity-oriented earphones. The high impedance and good FR (for a dynamic driver) drew me in. The only thing that really worries me is that quite a few people have said that the 262's bass is slow, and I don't like slow bass. In general, I forgive dynamics for their slowish nature, but hey, I found the 334's bass to be "slow"!!!

 

I also find the 334 pretty mellow and relaxing already (is there something wrong with my head? tongue.gif) --- if I can find a "mini-334" I'd be happy. It doesn't need to have that absolute blackness and sheer midrange precision, but if it shares the general flavor (but hopefully with a bit less bass impact) I'd be happy.

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11/18/12 at 9:02am
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is there something wrong with my head? tongue.gif

 

Yes.

 

(Finally a question to which I knew the answer!)

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post #1533 of 2627
11/18/12 at 9:31am
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The only thing that really worries me is that quite a few people have said that the 262's bass is slow, and I don't like slow bass. In general, I forgive dynamics for their slowish nature, but hey, I found the 334's bass to be "slow"!!!

 

I also find the 334 pretty mellow and relaxing already (is there something wrong with my head? tongue.gif) --- if I can find a "mini-334" I'd be happy. It doesn't need to have that absolute blackness and sheer midrange precision, but if it shares the general flavor (but hopefully with a bit less bass impact) I'd be happy.

 

I can't say the RE262 is a mini-334, but then I really haven't heard anything like the TG334.

 

I wouldn't say the 334' bass is slow to my ears, but when compare to others such as Miracle, JH13, 4Ai, the 334's bass is slower than those. So it depends on what you compare them with.

 

If I remember correctly, I think you usually listen at low volume level, so it is not surprise that you find the 334 is mellow and relaxing, I also hear the same when I listen at low level. It's also one of the reason I like the 334: they are still very clear even at low volume.

 

On the other hand, I often listen to them at higher volume, with deep insertion so the sound of 334 that I usually get is a bit forward and quite revealing (though not brutally revealing like other CIEM that I've heard).


Edited by nhat_thanh - 11/18/12 at 9:36am
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post #1534 of 2627
11/18/12 at 9:46am
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I can't say the RE262 is a mini-334, but then I really haven't heard anything like the TG334.

 

I wouldn't say the 334' bass is slow to my ears, but when compare to others such as Miracle, JH13, 4Ai, the 334's bass is slower than those. So it depends on what you compare them with.

 

If I remember correctly, I think you usually listen at low volume level, so it is not surprise that you find the 334 is mellow and relaxing, I also hear the same when I listen at low level. It's also one of the reason I like the 334: they are still very clear even at low volume.

 

On the other hand, I often listen to them at higher volume, with deep insertion so the sound of 334 that I usually get is a bit forward and quite revealing (though not brutally revealing like other CIEM that I've heard).

 

Thanks. Yes, I do tend to listen at relatively low volumes, but I have tested the 334 at higher volumes as well. I once tested it on my friend's O2 (not really an O2 anymore, as he changed out the opamps to JRC MUSES) and it got pretty aggressive at times; it felt a little out of character for the 334 because I regard it as one of the most composed (if not THE most well-composed) IEMs around. In general, I love brutally revealing earphones, but that's not what I'm looking for here; just something that has good transparency and hints at all the details, but isn't pushy about it.

 

But you're right, I've never really heard anything quite like the 334. normal_smile%20.gif

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post #1535 of 2627
11/18/12 at 10:15am

Tomsyc2000- I too wouldn't refer to the RE262 as a mini TG334 but it may indeed be what you are looking for.  It's been a while since I owned them but I did not think the bass was slow for a dynamic and it is considerably lighter in quantity than the TG334.  Vocals are placed a good deal more forward with the RE262 but somehow still maintained a spacious presentation.  I thought the treble was very well extended but just shelved lower in the presentation and never caused any fatigue.  Treble weight was very good and I thought it rendered cymbals very realistically.  I can't really recall my thoughts on low volume listening with them, so I wouldn't trust myself to give a recommendation on that aspect.


Edited by shotgunshane - 11/18/12 at 10:16am
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post #1536 of 2627
11/18/12 at 2:16pm
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For me the stock RE262 have a much warmer sound than the TG334, this is why I prefer the RE262 with the foams removed, brighter and more sparkle. However, from my memory, they are still warmer than the 334, due to the roll-off treble, there isn't much of treb energy in them. The RE262's mid is also more mellow, both are smooth and great with vocal, but the 334 has a more neutral tone which covers a wider range of genre, definitely much more versatile. The bass on 262 is looser, less quantity, 334 have punchier bass, more impact with better attack and speed, I would say that the 262's bass is a bit slow for me. The sound signature of  the 262 as a whole is more relax, more mellow, quite intimate with female vocals as well, kinda like a tube amp sound IMO, they are just not as engaging as the TG334 to me. Other aspects such as detail, soundstage, imaginng, extensions, there's pretty much no competition, the 334 have the upper hand.

 

Well that's a comparison from my memory, my RE262's cable is broke and I don't touch them anymore, the last time I heard them was like 2 months ago rolleyes.gif

 

I really didn't hear the RE262 as warmer. They were lacking in bass quantity big time in comparison to the 334. Mids are quite nice on the RE262 but I still don't think they even compare to the 334s mids. The treble on the RE262 is also a bit harsh and unrefined. I feel the bass on the 334s is actually looser and thicker (but still much better IMO).


Edited by lee730 - 11/18/12 at 2:18pm
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post #1537 of 2627
11/19/12 at 1:21pm

Best tips for these are:

Shure black tips (for IE8),mid for me

 

Worst tips for these are:

Comply

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post #1538 of 2627
11/22/12 at 10:42am

I am currently using the Comply TS-400, and they are very comfortable. They provide a very good seal, and I don't notice any change in sound quality.

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post #1539 of 2627
11/22/12 at 1:14pm
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I am currently using the Comply TS-400, and they are very comfortable. They provide a very good seal, and I don't notice any change in sound quality.

I used comply T500, they absorbs lot of high details(most obvious thing is less hiss when using them, this tells you sth already)

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post #1540 of 2627
11/22/12 at 1:20pm
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I used comply T500, they absorbs lot of high details(most obvious thing is less hiss when using them, this tells you sth already)

I also second that. I use comply T400 tip and high details are not as good as the stock tip. Comply tip is much more comfort than other tip but you will definitely lose a certain degree of sound quality.

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post #1541 of 2627
11/23/12 at 2:44am
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I also second that. I use comply T400 tip and high details are not as good as the stock tip. Comply tip is much more comfort than other tip but you will definitely lose a certain degree of sound quality.


I'll agree that generally the Comply seem to tame high frequency's to a degree, although I think this can be negated to a large degree with different insertion techniques. The thing with tips though is depending on your hearing, canal size, shape, etc. one tip may work better than something else. For instance, I briefly tried the stock tips for my 4.Ai's which most people seems to like but there's a little harshness and exaggerated sibilance but with the T500 Comply's the treble is just about right. If I were to use Tyll's Comply insertion techniques with the Comply's they'd probably get closer to the stock tips.

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post #1542 of 2627
11/23/12 at 5:35pm
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Best tips for these are:

Shure black tips (for IE8),mid for me

 

Worst tips for these are:

Comply


Can you please give me the model number of those Shure black tips? I searched and could not find a Shure tip made for the IE8. They are the foams I hope.

 

Reason I am asking is I really like the Shure foams for my SE530 and tried the Comply but it sucked out the highs and lows. I think the Shure foams work better because they are a denser foam that couples the lows better and does not deform to block the highs. Now if I could find a pair like that for my TG334 it would be perfect because my TG334 start to back off by themselves when they need to stay fully inserted for clearest sound. The Shure foams stay put but there is no way the ones I have seen will fit over those big TG334 tubes.

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post #1543 of 2627
11/23/12 at 5:45pm
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Can you please give me the model number of those Shure black tips? I searched and could not find a Shure tip made for the IE8. They are the foams I hope.

 

Reason I am asking is I really like the Shure foams for my SE530 and tried the Comply but it sucked out the highs and lows. I think the Shure foams work better because they are a denser foam that couples the lows better and does not deform to block the highs. Now if I could find a pair like that for my TG334 it would be perfect because my TG334 start to back off by themselves when they need to stay fully inserted for clearest sound. The Shure foams stay put but there is no way the ones I have seen will fit over those big TG334 tubes.

I think you'll find when someone more knowledgeable answers, that it is DIY tip. Using Shures' and putting them together with another brand which is the one that goes on the tubes.

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post #1544 of 2627
11/24/12 at 8:56am

Saragule your response has inspired me to consider the DIY route and I found a couple of good threads on this very site:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/169789/homemade-foam-ear-tips-for-iems

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/383917/how-to-best-custom-tips-for-iems-ever-imho-with-pics

 

These threads contain excellent methods and materials I could use to create my own tips. I will try it myself and maybe when I am done I will post my results on one of those threads. Thanks.

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post #1545 of 2627
11/24/12 at 11:59am
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Saragule your response has inspired me to consider the DIY route and I found a couple of good threads on this very site:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/169789/homemade-foam-ear-tips-for-iems

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/383917/how-to-best-custom-tips-for-iems-ever-imho-with-pics

 

These threads contain excellent methods and materials I could use to create my own tips. I will try it myself and maybe when I am done I will post my results on one of those threads. Thanks.

YW, let us know how it turns out.

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