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Originally Posted by nanaholic View Post

EDIT:  I checked the Japanese wiki: "Fukai Mori" was first used in Inuyasha in episode 21 which was broadcasted on April 9 2001, the single for Fukai Mori was released on June 27 2001.  So it appears I was right all along. wink.gif

 

Indeed. I thought "Deep Forest"/"Fukai Mori" wasn't used until the second season, since it only appears in the second OST album (so much later than the single, or even DAI's "Deep Forest" album).

post #1247 of 3560

If the song's going to be used as OP/ED, then its usually used as OP/ED prior to the official release.

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Time to open a Monet thread here, and get back to some 334 praise?ksc75smile.gif


Edited by milarepa - 10/25/12 at 2:22pm
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I just got the UE Med tips and they seal well. I've only used for a few hours. I've pushed in a few times but am not sure if its because I'm use to the Complys which sit very well. I also have eq7 tips coming as well so I will be having a tip rolling party soon!

 

Thanks Milarepa for the tips on tips!

post #1250 of 3560
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Originally Posted by milarepa View Post

Time to open a Monet thread here, and get back to some 334 praise?ksc75smile.gif

 

I'm not sure. I've heard the 334 refuses to play anime songs. It's a real deal-breaker to me.

 

 

 

 

 

(I actually tried the 334 with anime songs, and it performed superbly. Eh.)

post #1251 of 3560
I've been listening to my FitEar TG334s every day for two weeks trying to get accustomed to the sound but I still miss the Fostex TH900 treble whenever I switch to my TG334s. I mentioned this before and my opinion still stands after the two week "burn in" period, the TG334s lack treble extension and air. The treble sounds dry and lacking like the LCD2s (the very reason I sold my LCD2s). Its a big shame because the bass is fantastic and the mids are unmatched by IEMs and headphones of any type that I've heard. I'll still hold on to my TG334s because I can't give up the amazing bass and mids just yet. I should also mention that the sound is very dynamic driver like despite being a multi balanced armature IEM. The bass hits deep, with authority and doesn't lack any impact.

Perhaps the treble issue is due to the fact that Mitsuhara Harada (Fitear TG334's engineer) is growing old and has upper frequency hearing loss while I'm a teenager who can still hear "mosquito tones". Or perhaps it was purposefully tuned that way to be less fatiguing for sound producers who use IEMs for monitoring for long periods (judging from FitEar's website the TG334s seem targeted to producers).
Edited by zowki - 10/26/12 at 1:46am
post #1252 of 3560
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Originally Posted by zowki View Post

I've been listening to my FitEar TG334s every day for two weeks trying to get accustomed to the sound but I still miss the Fostex TH900 treble whenever I switch to my TG334s. I mentioned this before and my opinion still stands after the two week "burn in" period, the TG334s lack treble extension and air. The treble sounds dry and lacking like the LCD2s (the very reason I sold my LCD2s). Its a big shame because the bass is fantastic and the mids are unmatched by IEMs and headphones of any type that I've heard. I'll still hold on to my TG334s because I can't give up the amazing bass and mids just yet. I should also mention that the sound is very dynamic driver like despite being a multi balanced armature IEM. The bass hits deep, with authority and doesn't lack any impact.
Perhaps the treble issue is due to the fact that Mitsuhara Harada (Fitear TG334's engineer) is growing old and has upper frequency hearing loss while I'm a teenager who can still hear "mosquito tones". Or perhaps it was purposefully tuned that way to be less fatiguing for sound producers who use IEMs for monitoring for long periods (judging from FitEar's website the TG334s seem targeted to producers).


Why not upgrade the cable to Silver? That may make all the difference for you. Silver generally adds treble extension and more detail.

post #1253 of 3560
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


Why not upgrade the cable to Silver? That may make all the difference for you. Silver generally adds treble extension and more detail.

True, that would be worth a try, I pm'ed Frank of Toxic Cables a few weeks ago and he said that you can send in the fitear's stock cable to him and he can make a silver one for you. You should PM him about it.
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I'm curious though Zowki what tips do you use on them? I actually found the 334s to be a bit spicy in the treble. Nothing bad but quite satisfying to my ears. I know comply or foam tips will kill the treble though. That happened on my IE80s as well. Plus it increased bass and turned it into a muddy mess.
 

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I read some impressions a some pages back in this thread about silver cables saying that it did not make much changes to the sound and even REDUCED the treble:
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Anne Murray's The Best...So Far
- difference isn't do much of an improvement but rather emphasis on various portions of the frequency spectrum
- the standard cable is more mids & treble focused whereas the balanced 000 pulled it back a bit and felt more neutral.
- for high treble tracks, the balanced cable does tame sibilance a little & provide a little more clarity.
- Bass appears to be slightly more extended but marginally.
- cant tell much difference in soundstage.

Vivaldi 4 Seasons
- SE actually sounded louder than balanced (this was unexpected!?)
- instruments also sounded more congested with the standard cable whereas with the balanced 000 cable, instruments seemed to have more room to breath
- the balanced cable seems to be a more "tame" version of the standard cable

TRON Legacy Soundtrack
- the mid & treble focus of the SE actually worked well with this music whereas the balanced sounds too tame

Another impression about the subtlety of the cable upgrade:
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Originally Posted by milarepa View Post

Well, in comparison to getting twag on the w4r, this was a very subtle difference. The 334 obviously comes with much better stock cable than the w4, and the iem itself is on another level, so I guess that's expected. However a slight increase in detail is possible to tell, along with less microphonics and more "memory". So, as far as taking my rig to it's full potential I'm happy with the upgrade.
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

I'm curious though Zowki what tips do you use on them? I actually found the 334s to be a bit spicy in the treble. Nothing bad but quite satisfying to my ears. I know comply or foam tips will kill the treble though. That happened on my IE80s as well. Plus it increased bass and turned it into a muddy mess.
I'm using the stock small tips most of the time. Sometimes I use the biflange for more isolation. I know what you mean by spicy in the treble, there is a bit of sibilance from the treble that is there but I want it to extend further and shine like my Fostex TH900. I'm missing air in female vocals.
Edited by zowki - 10/26/12 at 2:52am
post #1256 of 3560
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Originally Posted by zowki View Post

I read some impressions a some pages back in this thread about silver cables saying that it did not make much changes to the sound and even REDUCED the treble:
Another impression about the subtlety of the cable upgrade:
I'm using the stock small tips most of the time. Sometimes I use the biflange for more isolation.


Are the stock tips made of silicone or foam? Then again my Denon 5000s where quite extended on the treble and especially after the open-back mod. I can honestly say I haven't heard anything yet as detailed since, especially in the treble region. Was like the imaging was on steroids. Amazing but mostly relegated to low volume listening.


Edited by lee730 - 10/26/12 at 2:54am
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Originally Posted by zowki View Post

I've been listening to my FitEar TG334s every day for two weeks trying to get accustomed to the sound but I still miss the Fostex TH900 treble whenever I switch to my TG334s. I mentioned this before and my opinion still stands after the two week "burn in" period, the TG334s lack treble extension and air. The treble sounds dry and lacking like the LCD2s (the very reason I sold my LCD2s). Its a big shame because the bass is fantastic and the mids are unmatched by IEMs and headphones of any type that I've heard. I'll still hold on to my TG334s because I can't give up the amazing bass and mids just yet. I should also mention that the sound is very dynamic driver like despite being a multi balanced armature IEM. The bass hits deep, with authority and doesn't lack any impact.
Perhaps the treble issue is due to the fact that Mitsuhara Harada (Fitear TG334's engineer) is growing old and has upper frequency hearing loss while I'm a teenager who can still hear "mosquito tones". Or perhaps it was purposefully tuned that way to be less fatiguing for sound producers who use IEMs for monitoring for long periods (judging from FitEar's website the TG334s seem targeted to producers).

 

The treble is a driver issue, and a personal preference issue.

 

Yes, the 334 don't have the same upper end presence as some others out there, but it's really not far off from how normal human hearing works. Most people just prefer listening brighter than they should, just like how everyone likes listening louder than they should. The high driver in the 334 was chosen for its mid to lower-treble accuracy, not for its absolute extension, and thus its bread and butter is in the mids.

 

Harada's "hearing loss" is not likely an issue. Besides, he wasn't the one who engineered the product; he merely worked with Suyama to determine the best tonal balance to the earphone. Engineering the crossover and choosing the drivers is a very different issue from voicing the product, and yes, the choice was the make the treble not as present in order to not distract from the midrange and to reduce listener fatigue while still giving just enough treble presence to hear what's needed in a mix. If Harada wanted something that he could use with hearing absolutely everything in the spectrum and he had the hearing loss that you purport, wouldn't he want a brighter sounding earphone?

 

Also, people need to understand the constraints of engineering a custom in-ear monitor. With full-sized headphones, you get much more flexibility in damping unwanted resonances and pulling the most out of a sizable driver diaphragm. If they added another driver to the top end of the 334, they'd have to contend with designing a proper 4-way crossover that likely runs into more technical problems than it's worth. 4-way crossovers are a lot more complex than 3-way or 2-way crossovers, and they easily run into issues with phase shift. There's no doubt that FitEar is one of the best CIEM manufacturers in the industry, but they're not infallible. FitEar's Private C435 will have better high-end extension than the MH334 because of the choice of using a TWFK instead of an ED (or 2389), but FitEar is easily much more proud of the 334 than they are of the C435, to the point that they actively downplay the availability of the C435.

post #1258 of 3560
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Originally Posted by zowki View Post

I've been listening to my FitEar TG334s every day for two weeks trying to get accustomed to the sound but I still miss the Fostex TH900 treble whenever I switch to my TG334s. I mentioned this before and my opinion still stands after the two week "burn in" period, the TG334s lack treble extension and air. The treble sounds dry and lacking like the LCD2s (the very reason I sold my LCD2s). Its a big shame because the bass is fantastic and the mids are unmatched by IEMs and headphones of any type that I've heard. I'll still hold on to my TG334s because I can't give up the amazing bass and mids just yet. I should also mention that the sound is very dynamic driver like despite being a multi balanced armature IEM. The bass hits deep, with authority and doesn't lack any impact.
Perhaps the treble issue is due to the fact that Mitsuhara Harada (Fitear TG334's engineer) is growing old and has upper frequency hearing loss while I'm a teenager who can still hear "mosquito tones". Or perhaps it was purposefully tuned that way to be less fatiguing for sound producers who use IEMs for monitoring for long periods (judging from FitEar's website the TG334s seem targeted to producers).

 

1. Try different tips.

2. In my experience, a silver cable minimally increased treble. Might be enough of a tweak to sate you if used in combination with brighter sounding tips, I don't know.

3. If Mitsuhara Harada has upper frequency hearing loss then he'd be tuning the MH334's brighter instead of darker. Otherwise they'd be twice as dark for him (dark tuning + dark hearing).

 

I personally love the sound signature. I was after a LCD-2 sound signature in IEM's. All the impressions I read before I bought them said that the TG!334's were very detailed (implicating brightness) and compared them more to Stax SR-009's as opposed to LCD-2's (SR-009's having a reputation for being bright). Thankfully, I had an opportunity to audition them thanks to AnakChan's wonderful generosity and what I heard was exactly what I was after. After I heard them I had to bug AnakChan for a second opportunity to audition them, to make sure what I was hearing wasn't just placebo and get some perspective. I purchased them as soon as I had the funds.

post #1259 of 3560
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

 

Also, people need to understand the constraints of engineering a custom in-ear monitor. With full-sized headphones, you get much more flexibility in damping unwanted resonances and pulling the most out of a sizable driver diaphragm. If they added another driver to the top end of the 334, they'd have to contend with designing a proper 4-way crossover that likely runs into more technical problems than it's worth. 4-way crossovers are a lot more complex than 3-way or 2-way crossovers, and they easily run into issues with phase shift. There's no doubt that FitEar is one of the best CIEM manufacturers in the industry, but they're not infallible. FitEar's Private C435 will have better high-end extension than the MH334 because of the choice of using a TWFK instead of an ED (or 2389), but FitEar is easily much more proud of the 334 than they are of the C435, to the point that they actively downplay the availability of the C435.

I don't think phase shift is that much of an issue, 90 deg out of phase can be cured simply by adjusting tube length, and I haven't seen any high end CIEM that had higher order xo. The problem with 3 way and above is their indefinite number of choices for cutoff frequency. And even with computer simulation, it's very unlikely the final result is in accordance to your intention, not to mention there are tube length/diameter and filter to take into account.

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Thread Starter 

Tube length isn't always that flexible, though. I find that it's difficult to get the ratios correct for everyone within the given space, especially with more than 3 individual receivers. Also, if I wanted to add a WBFK or something to the top, I'd want to use a 2nd order high-pass, but that's me.


Edited by tomscy2000 - 10/26/12 at 5:55am
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