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post #16 of 76
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Originally Posted by Darkocean-62 View Post


Is the sound from the red se535 shrilly with lots of siblilance using the silver 5n occ cable with no amp or is lacking bass the only problem?

 

Is the rest of the sound significantly improved with no amp?

 



On the red535 just lacking a full sounding bass.........without amp, everything is improved. Dynamics are terrific. But I need to add, without a full sounding bass, spacial and soundstaging cues are missing. By a full bass, I don't mean rumble and so on. That should be well left to the the movies. With the Home Movie systems being more popular and the uses of sub woofers, I feel people are confusing what real bass is. 

 

Real bass is not crash, bang and wallop! Real bass doesn't increase bass lines, nor, make it more prominent or give a bigger whack on drums etc. All real bass does is give a better interpretation of spacial cues. Soundstaging becomes more 3 dimensional, you hear the borders of venues better, there is better fill to the music. eg. by adding a pair of Thor Hammers to the Wilson Alexandria 2 is not going to give a thumping great bass as, the Alexandra 2 can do that part all by itself (I don't own these speakers).

 

So when I say that with the silver 5N OCC cable lacks bass, you are losing the heart and drive of the music! Hence the purchase of the Triad L3.


Edited by spkrs01 - 2/25/12 at 8:45am
post #17 of 76
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On the red535 just lacking a full sounding bass.........without amp, everything is improved. Dynamics are terrific. But I need to add, without a full sounding bass, spacial and soundstaging cues are missing. By a full bass, I don't mean rumble and so on. That should be well left to the the movies. With the Home Movie systems being more popular and the uses of sub woofers, I feel people are confusing what real bass is. 

 

Real bass is not crash, bang and wallop! Real bass doesn't increase bass lines, nor, make it more prominent or give a bigger whack on drums etc. All real bass does is give a better interpretation of spacial cues. Soundstaging becomes more 3 dimensional, you hear the borders of venues better, there is better fill to the music. eg. by adding a pair of Thor Hammers to the Wilson Alexandria 2 is not going to give a thumping great bass as, the Alexandra 2 can do that part all by itself (I don't own these speakers).

 

So when I say that with the silver 5N OCC cable lacks bass, you are losing the heart and drive of the music! Hence the purchase of the Triad L3.



I see, i asked because i developed some concerns about the baldur making the sound the from W4 too warm.I prefer a cold clear sound and i wouldn't like it if W4 with baldur cable sounded more like W3 than W4 with stock cable

post #18 of 76

I have never heard the W3 so I am unable to comment.

 

With the Baldur it is definitely clear and clean sounding with the mids brought forward on the W4. I hate to use warm and cold to describe sound signatures, I prefer degree of realism and with this in mind, you are taking more than a few steps forward in the quest for realismbigsmile_face.gif.

 

You really need to just try!

 

I am getting just a tad confused now, as the previous question was posed asking about the Red535confused_face_2.gif?!  

post #19 of 76
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Eh yeah i am now trying to decide between W4R with baldur cable or red SE535 with silver 5n occ cable, either one with cowon j3 and no amp?

 

I want to get clear accurate, real sound.Which is best?

 

 

post #20 of 76

I think ultimately, the W4 is the more revealing and resolving IEM of the 2. The red 535 gets to a level where the colouration it imposes cannot be superseded by any further improvements via cables.

 

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Originally Posted by Darkocean-62 View Post

Eh yeah i am now trying to decide between W4R with baldur cable or red SE535 with silver 5n occ cable, either one with cowon j3 and no amp?

 

I want to get clear accurate, real sound.Which is best?

 

 



 

post #21 of 76
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I think ultimately, the W4 is the more revealing and resolving IEM of the 2. The red 535 gets to a level where the colouration it imposes cannot be superseded by any further improvements via cables.

 



 


I would love to try both but i have tight monetary constraints and cant afford to get both or buy one without being as sure as possible so i will take another couple of weeks to research and think on it.Thanks for your posts they are very helpful

 

post #22 of 76
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I think ultimately, the W4 is the more revealing and resolving IEM of the 2. The red 535 gets to a level where the colouration it imposes cannot be superseded by any further improvements via cables.

Well it all depends on individual taste, I'm pretty sure I would find the W4/W4R highly boring, despite their obvious qualities.

On the other hand, I like the Red SE535 high separation and upfront mids a lot, although I admit that this is not a "universal" signature at all. tongue.gif
 

 

post #23 of 76
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Well it all depends on individual taste, I'm pretty sure I would find the W4/W4R highly boring, despite their obvious qualities.

On the other hand, I like the Red SE535 high separation and upfront mids a lot, although I admit that this is not a "universal" signature at all. tongue.gif
 

 


We are talking about adding a 3rd party cable, right? If that is still the case, then I assure you that the W4/W4r are not boring whatsoever. In my current set-up, it really tops the re 535 by quite a fair margin, allowing for the fact that I have a $500+ experimental cable tagged on, if it ever reaches the market it will cost a fair bit more, although is not usable unless you know the art of rigor mortisblink.gif, as the cable is still and noisy without being in the aforementioned state. Joking aside, even with a very good sounding cable attached, I still feel the W4/W4r still have more to offer, and I am hope the DX100 will help in some way. 

 

The Red 535 's improvement curtailed with the Silver cable and trying another cable like the one above just doesn't reap anymore sonic benefits, but the sound Triad > silver cable >Red535 is an extremely awesome listening experience!!!

 

post #24 of 76
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I have tried the Baldur mk2 on the W4 and before this w/e my opinion is that it is much better than a much more costly pure silver cable. However I received my silver/gold hybrid and it has taken the W4 to another level of refinement and realism.
The W4 with Baldur mk2 offered a very coherent and balanced signature with good extension and weight in both freq. extremities and pushing forward the mid.
I have a thread cracking a W4 where I share more details concerning different cables including the Baldur mk2.
Hope it helps


Do you know of anywhere to send a pair of W4 to be cracked and then sent back?

post #25 of 76

sorry, you probably mentioned but where are you from?

post #26 of 76
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sorry, you probably mentioned but where are you from?



I am in ireland


Edited by Darkocean-62 - 2/25/12 at 4:42pm
post #27 of 76

I just wanted to say, I will be going full circle as I will be buying/picking up a Baldur mk2 cable this afternoon with Oyaide plug. That is how highly I think of it as I miss not having the portability with my Quad versionhappy_face1.gif!!! Can't wait

post #28 of 76
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I am in ireland



Wow...long way to send for cracking! When there's no guarantee and the voiding of warranty....Risk/reward is low in your situation. I can take the chance as I am located in HK and if things go wrong I can still take the BA and have a custom remould done for a couple of hundred US dollars.

post #29 of 76
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Wow...long way to send for cracking! When there's no guarantee and the voiding of warranty....Risk/reward is low in your situation. I can take the chance as I am located in HK and if things go wrong I can still take the BA and have a custom remould done for a couple of hundred US dollars.


Hmmm thats a pity because i decided i am going to get the red SE535 with baldur cables and if i had my W4 cracked then i could have tried them with the same cable rather than having to get the W4R and another baldur cable

 

post #30 of 76
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Hmmm thats a pity because i decided i am going to get the red SE535 with baldur cables and if i had my W4 cracked then i could have tried them with the same cable rather than having to get the W4R and another baldur cable

 


I can assist you with the cracking of the W4s when I return from a trip I am taking, that isn't a problem. I can't offer guarantees, but I can if and only IF things goes wrong, you can have my Cracked W4s and I will take your BAs to have customs made out of them, since I will be buying a pair of W4Rs when I get back anyway. Hope this lessens the risk for you. My W4 were bought in May 2011. 

 


Edited by spkrs01 - 2/25/12 at 5:31pm
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