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Westone W1 Review

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Westone W1 Review

 

Thanks to Advanced Headphones www.advancedheadphones.co.uk for the sample (AMP3’s sister site)

 

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First Impressions:  This is a little thing I’ve been interested for a while.  Westone is one of the big and old names in the IEM world, still the W range is their first venture into a consumer orientated product.  Visually once I’ve got them out their quite nice box they look just like baby versions of the W4’s I have.  It’s spooky.  Oh and Westone please can you start including some Shure Olives in the box (the black foamie type tips Shure make) I know you give a few types but they are what works best for me and I bet many others too.   Nice case.

 

Having a listen I can’t decide if I’m happy or not.  Clearly these are not the W4 but I just don’t know what it is I was expecting from them.  These feel quite middling.

 

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Source:  Mostly the 1G shuffle without the impedance adapter and some time with the HM-601

 

Lows:  These are Balanced Armature earphones and as such they do not move air like the more common and cheaper dynamics can.  They don’t do the rich rumbly lows that is particularly common in the cheap stuff and its quite possible that a product like the W1 is going to be the first BA product for someone as they begin to enter the world of good earphones.  So if that’s you be prepared for a significant decline in the amount of air that’s being moved in your ears.  Moving air is not what BA do well.  So as I could have guessed would happen these have been tuned somewhat to give more a of a rounded and low end sound (for a BA anyway) and for me, meh.  It’s not giving good impact, nor good depth or expansion.  I’m really not keen on this style as it tries to make the driver do something its not really intended for and it sacrifices its best qualities.  Still it is a pleasant sound and when pressed it does very well in the low end for a single BA.  I’d say one of the fuller sounding ones but it doesn’t compete is fullness with dynamics like the SE215.  It also really isn’t up there in speed either like the hf5.  It’s a halfway house compromise, which I can’t fault if you’re to only have one earphone.  A bit of a jack of all trades, good but not great.

 

In terms of quantity it’s a pretty balanced IEM, the bass is about on par with the mids with it tailing off a bit as it goes lower.  Low extension is better than you might expect for this type of set up.

 

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Mids:  Nice but nothing exceptional.  BA’s tend to shine in the mids but it feels as though the W1 has been tuned to flatten that out, dampen down the mids and boost the lows and highs so they all fit inline.  To me that always feels like holding back something’s strengths but I can see a case for it.  The mids here are somewhat like the mids and neither too much one way or the other.  So no butter like creaminess of the PL-50 or cool dryness of the hf5 but something that again sits in the middle.  Honestly I can’t say it moves me, in fact I find it a bit boring.  Yes it’s very capable and can turn its hand to all styles rather well but it never seems to find a style to make its own and run with it.  Sure this makes a good generalist, good if you’re only going to own one earphone so I can’t really call it a failing.  It’s a stylistic choice.  Still side by side with the hf5 it falls short in its raw abilities, not hugely far but it’s not top.

 

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Highs:  Here again they aren’t the best you can get but they do a pretty decent job of things.  They aren’t beating the hf5 again but they are pretty gentle on the ear and sound accurate.  They sound very accurate actually.  Sure they are missing out on a quite a bit of detail but they roll of gently so that your really aren’t terribly aware of what’s being muddled.  Westone have a lot of experience at this from the long running UM range but they have opted to be a bit less so here.  They have a struck a very nice balance between rolling off and smoothing to still retaining some shimmer and detail.  Again it may not be the most excitingly tuned IEM out there but the highs are nicely detailed and nice to the ear.  Extension is pretty fair too and the roll off is gentle so you don’t really get that sudden and noticeable drop off you can with some BA stuff.  Timbraly they are good too, rather good for a BA if not quite up to the wonder that is the RE-0 in the highs.

 

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Soundstage:  It pretty reasonable, again it feels on the bigger side for a single BA but it’s not really quite up there with dynamic stuff.  Still its middling nature means it works pretty well with everything weather it’s supposed to be intimate sounding or large.  Where it is pretty good is instrument separation.  This seems to be a Westone specialty and it comes through here.  For a single driver it is quite impressive and instruments are clear and distinct from each other sounding well separated.

 

Comfort:  Very.  Naturally I can’t promise the same for you but these were very comfortable and this shape of earphone is known for being so.  I have never yet seen anyone have trouble with these.  Their shape, small size and wide range of available tips means I’m pretty sure these will fit everyone comfortably.

 

Fit:  Once you get a tip that works for you then it’s just a case of shoving them in and that was that.  No muss no fuss.

 

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Cable:  It would appear to be the same high quality cable Westone have used for ever.  Its black, braided, highly flexible and rather sturdy.  It’s a great cable that has been around for years so I’m sure it’s been tweaked to survive well by now.

 

Microphonics:  None.  You have to wear these up anyway.

 

Amped/Unamped:  Now most of the testing I did I did with the Shuffle, then some with the HM-601 as to me these seemed the likely type of players these will be used with (that I have anyway) rather than with separate amps.  However for convenience I also used the FiiO E9 hooked up to the computer.  Oh my, there was a difference, these instantly jumped up at least a level in quality.  Now clearly any desktop amp isn’t where these will live all day but the difference was pretty large.  The addition of impedance that I’m usually so fond of however wasn’t so great.  It did remove the hiss from the Shuffle but it really muted the instrument separation with not much gain elsewhere.  Unusual.

 

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Build Quality:  Top notch, I’d expect nothing less form a premium brand like Westone.

 

Isolation:  Westone only claim up to 25db but that seems on bit on the low side to me.  Granted these aren’t quite up to Shure levels and so a bit behind Ety too but these isolate well.  I’d have no trouble using these on a long flight, on the tube or where ever.  As ever my warning to those not used to it, look where you’re going if you would like not to become a road stain.  You will not hear that double decker bus that’s hurtling towards you.

 

 

Accessories:  You get a rather nice little case that feel super sturdy and a bunch of tips.  I really would like the see the inclusion of some Shure Olives (black foamie tips that look like olives) but that’s really all I can whinge about.  Oh and you get a 6 to 3.5mm adapter and a variable attenuator.  It’s a nice little bundle.

 

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Value:  Currently sitting at £84 these are maybe not the very best audio quality you can get for the money but they aren’t too far away either.  You must also recognise that partly you are also paying for that big famous brand name and the certainties that come with it.  You get a very high quality earphone with rather good sound quality and a very adept ability to turn its hand to a bit of everything.  Particularly if you don’t have any specific tastes or requirements this generalisation makes it ever more appealing.  Not everyone is a crazy person like I with a range of earphones to choose from.  Normal people buy one and use it for everything.  If that was me and my budget was £84 I don’t think I’d have any trouble opting for a set of these but the SE215 is really good too.  It would depend on just what you’re after but either could suit you best.  Still, hand on heart, I think the 215 might prove to be the more popular option.  Actually I think if it was me it may come down to coin toss to decide.

 

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Conclusion:  I have never quite been the big fan of Westone.  They have a sound that just has never really done it for me and in comparison I’ve always favoured the Shure house sound.    Since in the last few years things have rather heated up in the earphone world and they have begun to get a bit more aggressive about things.  Westone have their W range and Shure has the SE range, especially the lower end ones, particularly the SE215.  The old 210 was often the entry point to their brand and it was not a well loved product to many.  They went for something vastly more populist and came up with the 215.  So why am I telling you about this?  Well I think this is Westone’s version of the same.  They have gone for a more populist sound but they have done it by tuning a BA to be more rounded and weighty sounding where as Shure went with a dynamic.  Shure clearly pushed the idea further and Westone is a bit more reserved, I honestly can’t say which I like more.  The W1 feels more like an in between product but is still is deep down a BA and in terms of clarity focus they excel in ways most dynamics cant hope to.  This is pretty much the part where I just ramble back and forth about how but this one does this and that one does that.  In short there are pro’s and con’s to the way each company has gone. 

 

Looking more at the W1 on its own its a fab little IEM.  It weirdly loves lots and lots of power though.  The more and more I listen to it the more and more I like it, it’s really growing on me.  Oh and if you like to make things go loud then you may love this.  Its loves to given a bit of welly and let off that leash.  It’s fun, enjoyable and from what I recall is one of the more even handed and balanced IEM’s.  Clarity and detail is very nice but it’s not what you get it for.  Others can do that better, this is no analytical monitor, it is a good quality, solidly capable IEM with some life injected into.  It has a little enthusiastic heart beating in there that wants to make your music come to life and for you to enjoy it.  In that mission I do think it rather succeeded as I find myself rather enjoying them and not really wanting to hand them back.  Well done Westone.

post #2 of 21
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Westone W1 Quick Review

 

Thanks to Advanced Headphones www.advancedheadphones.co.uk for the sample (AMP3’s sister site)

 

Brief:  Westone aims for the consumer market

 

Price:  £84

 

Specification: 

Driver Unit      Balanced armature, full range

Ear coupling    Intraaural (in-canal)

Frequency Response   20Hz -16 kHz

Impedance      30 ohms @1kHz

Input Connection        3.5mm Angled

Max. Power Input       40mW

Microphone (w/a)        N/A

Noise Isolation            Passive - Up to 90% of ambient noise*

Sensitivity       117 dB SPL/mW @1kHz

 

Accessories:      Deluxe travel pouch, Ten different eartips, 1/4 to 1/8-inch jack/plug adapter, Inline volume control.

 

Build Quality:  First class.

 

Isolation:  Very good.  It may not be quite up to the best but its really rather close.  Easily enough to let you survive air travel or Tube use.  Alternatively enough to turn you into a stain on the road if you aren’t paying attention.  Be warned you won’t hear traffic coming at you so look where you are going.

 

Comfort/Fit:  First class.  They are small and well shaped.  They have a good assortment of tips and I don’t know of anyone that has problems with this sort of thing.  Of course you may be that one but odds are you’ll be fine.

 

Aesthetics:  They are okay, perfectly acceptable but I can’t say I give a toss either way.  Not unattractive but not particularly pretty either.

 

Sound:  These are a BA that has like many before it been tuned to behave a bit like a dynamic.  While I’m never a fan of this sort of thing Westone have done a pretty good job of it, probably better than anyone else.  It still means it’s a bit of a hodge podge with not quite the best of either but it makes a very capable generalist.  Very capable.  Lows for a BA are great in reach and expansion, it’s no SE215 but hey ho.  Mids are detailed and tonally in the middle, happy to do liquid or dry with equal enthusiasm.  Highs are detailed and very gently roll away so you don’t notice when they fail.  It works very well and means you really only see the bits they just right.  It’s clearly been tuned by someone rather capable.  What is notable is the instrument separation, it is excellent.  Much better than I’d expect for a single BA at work.  Mostly these don’t really excel anywhere but they do a very good job at everything, a bit of a jack of all trades but a rather good one.  Oh and they looooooove getting amped. 

 

Value:  Well for your £84 they are in no area the best you can get but they don’t suck anywhere either.  Like Ety does highs, the 215 does lows, the PL-50 does mids.  The W1 does a bit of everything so you could probably get away just fine with only having it and being pretty happy.  I like lots earphones so maybe it’s not really for me but if you’re a bit more of a normal person and want to just have one this is a pretty fine option.

 

Pro’s:   Great all rounder, great brand name, comfy.

 

Con’s:  You pay for that brand name, isn’t the really the master of anything in particular

 

 

post #3 of 21

Nice review as as always!

 

Just curious really.  Is there much of a fit difference due to size between the W1 and W4?   

 

Cheers

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Originally Posted by davidcotton View Post

Nice review as as always!

 

Just curious really.  Is there much of a fit difference due to size between the W1 and W4?   

 

Cheers



well sort of yes, the 4 is clearly bigger and i found to be far more fit fussy. they too feel as though they are about as big as my ear will take where the 1 feels really rather small.  so i could see the 4 being too big for some ears, i cant see that happening with the 1.

post #5 of 21

Thanks.

 

One other thing I noticed that the price of the westones (pretty much all models, all sites) seem to have jumped in price (which was already a bit much)by another £30 or so.  Any idea what's up behind that?  £360 for the 4 has put me right off (not that I was seriously considering it anyway)..

 

Cheers

post #6 of 21

I've been considering purchasing SE215's, but recently found out about the W1's and I think I've decided to stick with my initial plans and go for the 215's. Thanks for reviewing these and even including brief comparisons between the two, it proved to be quite helpful!

post #7 of 21

Thank you Mark. I've been searching for the review on this pair.

Nice review.

 

P.S I believe what you said ^_^ ( speaking like a possessed man).

post #8 of 21

Nice write up! W1 doesn't get reviewed too often, so I'm glad you wrote this.

post #9 of 21

Thanks mark, I'm having difficulties on choosing a IEM that is in my budget and this review helped a lot. Still struggling in choosing W1/UM1/JVC HA-FXT90/VSONIC GR07/ETYMOTIC HF5, someone please help me out...

post #10 of 21

Thanks a lot for this Westone 1-review!!! it's one of the 3 IEM's I am hesitating between for my first IEM purchase and definitely the most difficult to find reviews for.

 

I saw in your profile that you also have the RE262, making you one of the very few to have direct/personal experience with the 3 IEM's I'm struggling between. Could I ask you're advice for my first IEM-purchase??

 

I've narrowed my search for my first IEM's to the following 3 models:

  • Shure se215
  • Westone 1
  • HifiMan RE262

 

... as you might suspect, I'm looking for IEM's within the price-range of $/€  85-150, with some preference for good isolation and comfort.

It will be my first IEM's, for listening a few hours in a row and I would prefer not to have to insert them tó deep...which I suspect to be a difficult criterium as I also would like good isolation ;-)  Therefore I'm looking at 'ergo-fit' IEM's.

I'm mainly looking for IEM's to use while travelling/commuting (train/metro/airplane) with my Sansa Fuze, which for me means comfort, isolation and build quality...next to sound quality. As I won't use them in 'quiet' environments such as at work, at home, I suspect high-end, very expensive IEM's would be over-kill.

I listen to quite some differente genres of music, but mainly (classic) rock, pop, jazz (all live & studio-recordings) and classical music. (not so much to R&B, rap or hip-hop). Therefore, I'm looking for versatile IEM's with good presentation (! not to much 'in the head', enough separation/placement/sense of presence required e.g. for live-albums), rather than e.g. bass-head-IEM's.

 

My current headphones are the Yuin G2 (e.g. at work), Sennheiser MX880 (e.g. walking/on the move, lightweight) (both thanks to reading head-fi !) and Sony MDR-7056 (e.g. at home). As you can see, this is no high-end pro-setup, but I really like them all, especially considering their respective price-performance ratio for their respective use, but non of them fit the bill for light-weight commuting, thus my research for IEM's. I understand I wont get the same presentation (3D, soundstage, separation,...) from IEM's, but hope to find the right balance as that is a very important factor for me to have a good time listening to music.

 

...and as last criterium: build quality. It doesn't have to be built like a tank, but it's not gonna sit at home in a special-care box either. I take quite good care of my equipment (had only one Yuin OK3 break down for now), but I would prefer not to be worried about protecting it all the time, as it's gonna be used for travelling.

 

I think I might be asking to much for my budget, but will take satisfaction from the best balance I can get between those criteria. regular_smile%20.gif

I think my order of importance would be the following: comfort > isolation & presentation and general SQ (good experience -feeling & detail- for a mix of genres) > build quality >> top-level SQ (like for intensive listening/record comparisons...which of course can't be found in this price-range...)

 

Could you give your opinion/ranking of these 3 headphones??

I'm mainly wondering about the difference in presentation for one and the balance between comfort <> ear-insertion depth of the tips <> isolation.

 

 

 

post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by davidcotton View Post

Thanks.

 

One other thing I noticed that the price of the westones (pretty much all models, all sites) seem to have jumped in price (which was already a bit much)by another £30 or so.  Any idea what's up behind that?  £360 for the 4 has put me right off (not that I was seriously considering it anyway)..

 

Cheers



id assume exchange rate issues if they have all jumped, or Westone hos directly ordered them all to.  could be the move to the R version? honestly though im just guessing

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Thanks a lot for this Westone 1-review!!! it's one of the 3 IEM's I am hesitating between for my first IEM purchase and definitely the most difficult to find reviews for.

 

I saw in your profile that you also have the RE262, making you one of the very few to have direct/personal experience with the 3 IEM's I'm struggling between. Could I ask you're advice for my first IEM-purchase??

 

I've narrowed my search for my first IEM's to the following 3 models:

  • Shure se215
  • Westone 1
  • HifiMan RE262

 

... as you might suspect, I'm looking for IEM's within the price-range of $/€  85-150, with some preference for good isolation and comfort.

It will be my first IEM's, for listening a few hours in a row and I would prefer not to have to insert them tó deep...which I suspect to be a difficult criterium as I also would like good isolation ;-)  Therefore I'm looking at 'ergo-fit' IEM's.

I'm mainly looking for IEM's to use while travelling/commuting (train/metro/airplane) with my Sansa Fuze, which for me means comfort, isolation and build quality...next to sound quality. As I won't use them in 'quiet' environments such as at work, at home, I suspect high-end, very expensive IEM's would be over-kill.

I listen to quite some differente genres of music, but mainly (classic) rock, pop, jazz (all live & studio-recordings) and classical music. (not so much to R&B, rap or hip-hop). Therefore, I'm looking for versatile IEM's with good presentation (! not to much 'in the head', enough separation/placement/sense of presence required e.g. for live-albums), rather than e.g. bass-head-IEM's.

 

My current headphones are the Yuin G2 (e.g. at work), Sennheiser MX880 (e.g. walking/on the move, lightweight) (both thanks to reading head-fi !) and Sony MDR-7056 (e.g. at home). As you can see, this is no high-end pro-setup, but I really like them all, especially considering their respective price-performance ratio for their respective use, but non of them fit the bill for light-weight commuting, thus my research for IEM's. I understand I wont get the same presentation (3D, soundstage, separation,...) from IEM's, but hope to find the right balance as that is a very important factor for me to have a good time listening to music.

 

...and as last criterium: build quality. It doesn't have to be built like a tank, but it's not gonna sit at home in a special-care box either. I take quite good care of my equipment (had only one Yuin OK3 break down for now), but I would prefer not to be worried about protecting it all the time, as it's gonna be used for travelling.

 

I think I might be asking to much for my budget, but will take satisfaction from the best balance I can get between those criteria. regular_smile%20.gif

I think my order of importance would be the following: comfort > isolation & presentation and general SQ (good experience -feeling & detail- for a mix of genres) > build quality >> top-level SQ (like for intensive listening/record comparisons...which of course can't be found in this price-range...)

 

Could you give your opinion/ranking of these 3 headphones??

I'm mainly wondering about the difference in presentation for one and the balance between comfort <> ear-insertion depth of the tips <> isolation.

 

 

 


okay, btw i have reviewed all 3 of those

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/532927/hifiman-re-262-review

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/558120/shure-se215-review

 

so ill just round up.  the 262 is easily and by quite a bit the best of the 3 in sound quality.  no question it wipes the floor with the other 2.  however it cannot isolate like they can and isnt so study and rugged feeling.  its also much more fit fussy.  for commuting id want lots of isolation so id still likely not take it.  like i said the 1 and 215 are both nice, different, the 215 has more bass, the 1 is lighter soundnig.  im really not sure what id pick between those 2, neither is "better" just different.  comfort and isolation is basically the same, id maybe say the w1 fit me better a bit.

 

post #13 of 21

Good review I agree with you mostly! Reviews on lesser products are few and far between and I would of loved to get mine free lol.

 

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by blub View Post

Thanks a lot for this Westone 1-review!!! it's one of the 3 IEM's I am hesitating between for my first IEM purchase and definitely the most difficult to find reviews for.

 

I saw in your profile that you also have the RE262, making you one of the very few to have direct/personal experience with the 3 IEM's I'm struggling between. Could I ask you're advice for my first IEM-purchase??

 

I've narrowed my search for my first IEM's to the following 3 models:

  • Shure se215
  • Westone 1
  • HifiMan RE262

 

... as you might suspect, I'm looking for IEM's within the price-range of $/€  85-150, with some preference for good isolation and comfort.

It will be my first IEM's, for listening a few hours in a row and I would prefer not to have to insert them tó deep...which I suspect to be a difficult criterium as I also would like good isolation ;-)  Therefore I'm looking at 'ergo-fit' IEM's.

I'm mainly looking for IEM's to use while travelling/commuting (train/metro/airplane) with my Sansa Fuze, which for me means comfort, isolation and build quality...next to sound quality. As I won't use them in 'quiet' environments such as at work, at home, I suspect high-end, very expensive IEM's would be over-kill.

I listen to quite some differente genres of music, but mainly (classic) rock, pop, jazz (all live & studio-recordings) and classical music. (not so much to R&B, rap or hip-hop). Therefore, I'm looking for versatile IEM's with good presentation (! not to much 'in the head', enough separation/placement/sense of presence required e.g. for live-albums), rather than e.g. bass-head-IEM's.

 

My current headphones are the Yuin G2 (e.g. at work), Sennheiser MX880 (e.g. walking/on the move, lightweight) (both thanks to reading head-fi !) and Sony MDR-7056 (e.g. at home). As you can see, this is no high-end pro-setup, but I really like them all, especially considering their respective price-performance ratio for their respective use, but non of them fit the bill for light-weight commuting, thus my research for IEM's. I understand I wont get the same presentation (3D, soundstage, separation,...) from IEM's, but hope to find the right balance as that is a very important factor for me to have a good time listening to music.

 

...and as last criterium: build quality. It doesn't have to be built like a tank, but it's not gonna sit at home in a special-care box either. I take quite good care of my equipment (had only one Yuin OK3 break down for now), but I would prefer not to be worried about protecting it all the time, as it's gonna be used for travelling.

 

I think I might be asking to much for my budget, but will take satisfaction from the best balance I can get between those criteria. regular_smile%20.gif

I think my order of importance would be the following: comfort > isolation & presentation and general SQ (good experience -feeling & detail- for a mix of genres) > build quality >> top-level SQ (like for intensive listening/record comparisons...which of course can't be found in this price-range...)

 

Could you give your opinion/ranking of these 3 headphones??

I'm mainly wondering about the difference in presentation for one and the balance between comfort <> ear-insertion depth of the tips <> isolation.

 

Im not a picky when it comes to audio components but I do like good sound and quality.

 

And what I looked at initially for an IEM purchase was the Shure or Westone, comfort was my end all be all and thats why I ended up with the W1 (The W2 was a bit out of my price range at the time). The Westones have the comfort from the cord to the fit overall very ergonomic with a shallow insert and a pretty darn relaxing and enjoyable experience. The SE215 has the more dynamic sound, and the main reason I was off put was the cable, I dislike detachable cables on IEMs and I read of issues in some earlier production runs with the SE215s but I guess they solved that so... So I got the W1s and have not regretted them. They are also durable I have tried to take care of them yet I have had my mishaps (dropping and accidentally stepping on them, it was on shag carpet though, still work greatredface.gif)

 

Either way Shure or Westone you wont be disapointed...


Edited by kevinzemaitis - 2/21/12 at 9:03pm
post #14 of 21

Thanks a lot both!!!

 

I think I'll be heading for the W1 now:

  • pricewise W1 and RE262 are the same here, still a little bit more expensive than se215
  • I read the W1 has a very good package of accessoires (tips, pouch...) and a better build quality than the RE262, which is important, I think, for a first IEM. (still W1 = se215 on this)
  • if I read and interprete (subjectively) correctly, the clearer sound and better separation of the W1might be more important to me than the bass from the se215. (after all, I enjoy the Yuin G2 more than the mx880 and the G2 have better separation/presentation while the mx880 have better basses...)
  • SQ of the RE262 <> isolation and no-nonsense comfort of the W1.....hard one. I guess I'll go for the W1 as it's for travelling and you described them as more 'relaxing' and with less fatigue from air movement than the se215. (furthermore, a very good comfort might be better to avoid wrongly turning my back forever at IEM's after my first purchase)

 

I guess this is just down to details and personal preferences I can't know without testing them myself. I guess I'll just have to start somewhere in the IEM-world normal_smile%20.gif

 

now starts the search for a good retailer in Europe... hopefully I'll be able to put experiences back here very  soon.

 

thanks guys!

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now starts the search for a good retailer in Europe... hopefully I'll be able to put experiences back here very  soon.

 

thanks guys!



btw the sites that i borrowed them from and thanked at the top of the review are, like i, in europe.

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