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Beyerdynamics T1 vs LCD-2, which one is a better all-rounders?

post #1 of 33
2/17/12 at 10:45pm
Thread Starter 

By all-rounders I'm not only talking about the ability to get along well with every genre of music but also the more practical everyday use, like gaming or movies.

 

Which one do you think is better for an end-all headphones?

 

Thank you for your opinion.

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post #2 of 33
2/17/12 at 11:27pm

My two favorite headphones (T1 and LCD2 rev2) are both great all rounders.  They have quite different sound signatures in many respects, and I am not one to say that either is the better all rounder over the other, simply two different flavors. The T1 is the more treble centric (although I still describe it as neutral) slightly more "crisp" or analytical (albeit I describe them as musical rather than analytical) with good air, and the LCD is a more bass focused, full bodied (liquid, smooth, organic) sound, still fairly neutral and perhaps more natural.

 

Both are excellent performers, it simply boils down to individual preference; or to me, two fantastic headphones that allow me to have a change of signature whenever I feel like it.


Edited by Kernmac - 2/17/12 at 11:34pm
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post #3 of 33
2/17/12 at 11:30pm

If you're willing to wait just a day or two, I'm going to post a thread comprehensively comparing and reviewing both. But Kernmac did give a great lay mans summary of the differences above. It does sort of boil down to personal taste, and what genre's of music you listen to.

 

For me personally, I find the T1's to be the better all rounder.

 

 

 


Edited by Naim.F.C - 2/17/12 at 11:33pm
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post #4 of 33
2/18/12 at 3:04am

I agree the T1 is the better all rounder. The LCD's have strengths that few headphones can match but also a few faults, I am referring to the R1 version, but the T1's do everything very well and have better soundstaging for games and movies.

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post #5 of 33
2/18/12 at 3:09am

I have to agree with Kernmac - I have both as well and he hit the nail on the head, both great headphones, slightly different flavors.  I tend to reach for one or the other depending on my mood or the music I'm listening to.  I do find the T1's more comfortable to wear for extended periods though.

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post #6 of 33
2/18/12 at 3:17am
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Originally Posted by Naim.F.C View Post

If you're willing to wait just a day or two, I'm going to post a thread comprehensively comparing and reviewing both. But Kernmac did give a great lay mans summary of the differences above. It does sort of boil down to personal taste, and what genre's of music you listen to.

 

For me personally, I find the T1's to be the better all rounder.

 

 

 


Well, this case maybe you should add the Q701 to your next review. k701smile.gif

 

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post #7 of 33
2/18/12 at 6:08am

The T1 is a better all rounder than the LCD2. It is a great classical headphone which the lCD2 struggles with and has air and focus and will play all genre well.

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post #8 of 33
2/18/12 at 6:10am
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Well, this case maybe you should add the Q701 to your next review. k701smile.gif

 



Did you read the title of this thread? What does the AKG Q701 have to do with the OP question?

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post #9 of 33
2/18/12 at 6:47am
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What if I don't listen to classical or jazz? I listen to mostly mainstream/modern stuff, including lots of anime soundtracks.

Would the LCD-2 be a better choice for other genres of music then?

 

And what about gaming or movies? Is the T1 it better than LCD-2 In these regards?

 

Now, I know it may sounds a bit absurd to use 1000$ headphones for modern recordings but I don't want to waste too much time(and money) experimenting with the mid-fi stuff(which would eventually accumulate to what you would pay for high-end gear anyways) and this is going to be my one and only headphones for a long time. So, just in case, please don't ask me to sell my LCD-2 and buy mid-fi stuff instead, I'm not turning back now.

 

Also, before someone bashing me for relying on opinions of others, I'm dying to try this headphones myself but the person who want to trade this with my LCD-2 lives very far away from me and can only send it to me by EMS service. So, I'm a bit blind here.

 

Thanks again!

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post #10 of 33
2/18/12 at 6:54am
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Originally Posted by calist3r View Post

What if I don't listen to classical or jazz? I listen to mostly mainstream/modern stuff, including lots of anime soundtracks.

Would the LCD-2 be a better choice for other genres of music then?

 

And what about gaming or movies? Is the T1 it better than LCD-2 In these regards?

 

Now, I know it may sounds a bit absurd to use 1000$ headphones for modern recordings but I don't want to waste too much time(and money) experimenting with the mid-fi stuff(which would eventually accumulate to what you would pay for high-end gear anyways) and this is going to be my one and only headphones for a long time. So, just in case, please don't ask me to sell my LCD-2 and buy mid-fi stuff instead, I'm not turning back now.

 

Also, before someone bashing me for relying on opinions of others, I'm dying to try this headphones myself but the person who want to trade this with my LCD-2 lives very far away from me and can only send it to me by EMS service. So, I'm a bit blind here.

 

Thanks again!


The LCD2 V1 I had made all recordings sound OK. For musicality and accuracy the T1 wins hands down. If your using this more for games or poorly recorded compressed music the lCD2 would e a better choice as its forgiving of bad recordings while the T1 will let you know how the music was recorded both good or bad. Modern recordings are mostly poor recordings IMO as they use too much compression and they sound well LOUD

 

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post #11 of 33
2/18/12 at 7:58am
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The LCD2 V1 I had made all recordings sound OK. For musicality and accuracy the T1 wins hands down. If your using this more for games or poorly recorded compressed music the lCD2 would e a better choice as its forgiving of bad recordings while the T1 will let you know how the music was recorded both good or bad. Modern recordings are mostly poor recordings IMO as they use too much compression and they sound well LOUD

 


This is my experience also, that's the major reason why I'm having a hard time parting with the LCD-2 Rev.2, pretty much everything sounded beautiful on it, even badly recorded stuff like RHCP's Californication. If I'm an audiophile I would definitely stick with my LCD-2, no question. Well, this is assuming the T1 is as analytical as you say it is.

 

But then there are still movies and gaming to worry about. I'm not too sure if the LCD-2 can best the T1 in those regards. I seems to remember reading that the T1 is supposed to have better positioning and soundstage for gaming, and the bass goes deeper too(for those epic rumbling noises). Is there anyone here who have used both T1 and LCD-2 for movies and gaming? I would really love to see how they compare to each other.

 

For what it's worth, I game/music/movie for about 40/40/20, in that order.

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post #12 of 33
2/18/12 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by Naim.F.C View Post

If you're willing to wait just a day or two, I'm going to post a thread comprehensively comparing and reviewing both. But Kernmac did give a great lay mans summary of the differences above. It does sort of boil down to personal taste, and what genre's of music you listen to.

 

For me personally, I find the T1's to be the better all rounder.

 

 

 

I'm eager to see this comparison in detail, Naim, much appreciated!

 

 

 

 

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post #13 of 33
2/18/12 at 8:19am
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This is my experience also, that's the major reason why I'm having a hard time parting with the LCD-2 Rev.2, pretty much everything sounded beautiful on it, even badly recorded stuff like RHCP's Californication. If I'm an audiophile I would definitely stick with my LCD-2, no question. Well, this is assuming the T1 is as analytical as you say it is.

 

 

 

 


The T1 is an accurate headphone. Garbage in Garbage out. An audiophile would appreciate all the qualities of the T1. If its a bad recording I want to know its bad. I dont like any headphone that makes all recordings sound  good. Audeze likes to say they designed the LCD2 for a studio monitor which IMO is poor reasoning if they make everything sound good. How is a engineer to know if their work is right. I dont play games and I am an audiophile for over 35 years and the T1 lets me know what on the recordings. I usually stay away from purchasing bad recordings. If an artist does not care about how good or bad their records come out then I see no interest in buying crap recordings. YOMV

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post #14 of 33
2/18/12 at 8:32am
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I guess our definition of audiophile is different then. I just love music, and I want my music (which I assume consisted  of mostly of badly recorded tracks) to sound good. If accuracy destroys my music, I would rather not have that.

 

If all my tracks are well recorded, I would choose the Beyer T1 in a heartbeat because its accuracy does sound very appealing to me(most of the flagships I have heard are colored in some ways). Sadly, they're not and I have to compromise.

 

 

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post #15 of 33
2/18/12 at 9:00am
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The T1 is an accurate headphone.


Really? All the graphs I've seen show some pretty bad resonance and a big treble peak.

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