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post #1 of 22
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ok, so i currently have the shure se310 and the shure se420, with a fiio e5 and 1g zune (looking to upgrade source SOON) anyhow, i love both se310 and se420 i feel both are great quality and both sound pretty good, i love the fit of the se420 most comfortable over the ear headphones i have used.

 

i am looking to get a great headphone and stop playing around, i have had the shure e3c,se310,se420,denon c751 and a few others, but really looking to get a great earphone

 

anyhow, i am looking to upgrade to something of some substance. and the 2 main choices i am looking at are the shure se535 and the westone 4.

 

i have read up alot about both earphones, and watched alot of videos on both earphones, but i am still torn. i am looking to spend around 300-400.00

 

i am leaning towards the se535 as the cable seems really robust, im liking the memory wire, also the detatchable cable, i feel that the detatchable cable alone gives the 535 more appeal as if anything happens to the cable it can be replaced or upgraded to a better cable to farther improve on the sound. the 535 look robust in the build quality of the overall earpiece.

 

i like the fact that the westone has the 3 way passive cross over. and 4 drivers, the downfall imo of the westone is compared to the shures the housing looks a little cheaper, and the wire also looks cheaper not as robust, i know the earpiece housings are light weight and also the wires are low weight. but to me it seems like i donno that they are cheaper looking in quality?

 

also the fact that the westone 4 have a stationary cord or non detatchable, means that if anything happens to the earphone, they are pretty much done. also with the fact that you cannot disconnect the cables, it means you also cannot upgrade the cable to farther better the sound.

 

on a plus note on the westone from what i have gathered is that they are very sound isolating with the correct ear tips.

 

ok so that is a slight pro and con of the 2 that i have gathered someone who is better famillure with both the earphones can correct or agree if possible to what i have said.

 

now down to the sound, i have read up alot about both earphones and some say the westone 4 are better in sound some say the se535 are better in sound its really making me torn between the 2

 

music i am into is hip hop,rap,techno,trance,dance,dubstep, and the like. 

 

basicly i need to know what the sound signatures are like between the westone 4 and the se535, i love highs, mids and bass but i dont want a over emphasized bass signature,looking for tight clean, controlled bass response that has somewhat of a extension, something that is overall balanced yet fun and exciting, i would like something that has great separation of instruments/ something that has a wide sound stage. crisp,clean ,clear

 

what one w4 or se535 come closer to what im looking for? 

 

thank you for anyone who can give me some positive perspective on the 2 thanks.


Edited by Mooses9 - 2/17/12 at 11:14am
post #2 of 22
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Originally Posted by Mooses9 View Post

i am leaning towards the se535 as the cable seems really robust, im liking the memory wire, also the detatchable cable, i feel that the detatchable cable alone gives the 535 more appeal as if anything happens to the cable it can be replaced or upgraded to a better cable to farther improve on the sound. the 535 look robust in the build quality of the overall earpiece.

 

i like the fact that the westone has the 3 way passive cross over. and 4 drivers, the downfall imo of the westone is compared to the shures the housing looks a little cheaper, and the wire also looks cheaper not as robust, i know the earpiece housings are light weight and also the wires are low weight. but to me it seems like i donno that they are cheaper looking in quality?

 

also the fact that the westone 4 have a stationary cord or non detatchable, means that if anything happens to the earphone, they are pretty much done. also with the fact that you cannot disconnect the cables, it means you also cannot upgrade the cable to farther better the sound.

 

on a plus note on the westone from what i have gathered is that they are very sound isolating with the correct ear tips.

Memory wires of the SE535 are bad, they don't keep sharp bends and slowly release. Other than that, the build quality of SE535 is top notch. Splendid and solid casings, solid cable.

 

Westone casings are a bit cheaper when you look at details (the material engineer in me speaks here) although they're still nicely build.

Westone braided cables are very good, and just for your information, a Westone 4R was released not long ago (= with detachable cables).

 

Isolation wise, recent Shures and Westone are more or less providing a similar experience, since their shape is very close. Isolation with triple flange or P Comply foams will be extreme. With single flange tips/shorter foams, it will be good at most.

 

Soundwise, I can't help much sorry, I only own SE535 Special Edition, and they seem to differ from standard SE535s (although build quality is identical).


Edited by tienbasse - 2/17/12 at 12:30pm
post #3 of 22
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Memory wires of the SE535 are bad, they don't keep sharp bends and slowly release. Other than that, the build quality of SE535 is top notch. Splendid and solid casings, solid cable.

 

Westone casings are a bit cheaper when you look at details (the material engineer in me speaks here) although they're still nicely build.

Westone braided cables are very good, and just for your information, a Westone 4R was released not long ago (= with detachable cables).

 

Isolation wise, recent Shures and Westone are more or less providing a similar experience, since their shape is very close. Isolation with triple flange or P Comply foams will be extreme. With single flange tips/shorter foams, it will be good at most.

 

Soundwise, I can't help much sorry, I only own SE535 Special Edition, and they seem to differ from standard SE535s (although build quality is identical).

 

you seem to have pointed out the exact thing i was thinking that the build quality of the 535 are superior to the westones. i do know that the 4r came out but they are over my budget although very nice, i think it would make my choice even that much harder if the 4r were in my budget.

 

as far as the memory wire on the 535 they might not be 100% efficent in the memory wire ability, but from what ive seen and read it does seem like they 100% changed the quality of the cable giving the ability to detach it and kevlar coating it seems like shure made good strides in fixing some of the issues with the 530's

 

i mean i know that like 400 isnt alot of money for headphones, i mean it is but by comparison there are more costly headphones out there. but along side the quality of music, i need a headphone that is going to be durable, last long.

 

ive read the cable is good on the 4's, but it just sucks that the cable is non disconnect, most of the times with iem's the cables/jack are the first things to go, it would just pain me to get a iem that doesnt allow the changing of the cable. i think that is one of the positives about going up higher in price range is the ability to change out the cable for the better. 

 

seems like being stuck with 1 particular cable seems like you are stuck with 1 particular iem, whereas  changing cables depending on the cable can increase the iem's ability to sound better.
 

 

post #4 of 22

Honestly, Westone 4 are still nicely built, so you should base your choice more on the sound side of things.

Which is precisely where I can't help. wink.gif

 

From reading, I'd say W4 seem to be more neutral and laid-back, while SE535 are more Shure-typical (mid-centered), but I'll let owners give you more details.

post #5 of 22

Once you go Custom, you can't go back to Universal wink.gif

post #6 of 22

 

Just bought the Westone 4R, and i would like to say the sound is incredible nice! It is Superb!

 

Here are my impression on it.

 

First of all i would like to say that this iem sound signature is very similar to my LCD2r2. If you like LCD2r2 sound signature you will love this iem definitely!

 

Before i purchased the Westone 4R, i had compared it to Westone UM3X and Shure 535 (normal edition).

 

UM3X is very similar to Shure 535 but slightly better than Shure 535, which i could say is UM3X > = Shure 535. The bass quality is about the same; STRONG. But when comes to clarity of background details which is very very minor light/low mid, the Shure 535 sounds muddy compare to UM3X. UM3X is better than Shure 535 in this section. The bass quality i felt coloration of the Shure 535 and UM3X which i considered not a nature bass.

 

Built quality (including cables) of course goes to Shure 535 side but it doesn't meant that UM3X is cheap. Therefore, your money is half into sound quality and half into figure/outlook quality for Shure 535 but not for Westone UM3X

 

On the other hands, IMHO the sound signature from Shure 535 and UM3X will fatigue your ear in long listening. (which i found nice through Westone 4R)

 

When i plug Westone 4R into my ears... I smile... Because this is the sound quality that i want and this is what I CALL SOUND QUALITY.

 

The Bass of Westone 4R is not as strong as Shure 535 and UM3X but in my opinion this is so call BASS. So nature... it sounds when it comes, it sounds when the recordings were made to be sounded in that way. Build quality is better than UM3X for sure, but i felt that build quality of Westone 4R is still losing itself if compare to Shure 535. Soundstage as others head-fiers mentioned before; Bigger, and of course i feel the same way. Separation is the best compare to UM3X and Shure 535, easily win hands down. I could hear into very minor and detail sound signature even i am using it without a portable DAC and amp. It sounds just like my LCD2r2 paired with my Audio-GD 10SE... Darn! To be frank, i felt that this little tiny earphone sounds better than my LCD2r2, because i have listened background sounds that i do not listen through my LCD2r2 before. I was shocked and surprise. Hmm... maybe due to IEM (In-ear monitor) and it isolates 95% of noise and it was plug inside to my ears hole.. perhaps it is not my fantasy.

 

So? My conclusion is in this way: Westone 4R is much much better than the others two. Which i said the equation of them were: Westone 4R >>>>> [Westone UM3X >= Shure 535] 

 

Cheers~

 

I am sorry to my Wallet! Darn!

 

Jyh

post #7 of 22

If.....and this is a big - IF you can stretch out to buy the 4R, BUY IT!...........

 

However, if it really is a stretch too far then I will take the SE535 over the W4. Why? A cable change has to come into play at a later stage. I have a cracked standard W4 which has allowed me to change cables on it, and I have got such a stunning sound out of the W4. It is an extremely revealing and resolving IEM, the better upstream the better it becomesksc75smile.gif

post #8 of 22

2 posts above...not sure how anyone could find UM3X fatiguiing?  I often wonder if it is Westone's #1 greatest accomplishment.  As a universal studio monitor (for musicians) it is outstanding!  Nothing else is even close!  Nothing....within miles.  They hit a home run with it.  It does everything a studio monitor is suppose to do.  Upper treble is rolled off and butter smooth where you can listen for hours and hours.

 

Not crazy about either but I would take W4 over SE535.  Just more professional and refined sounding.

post #9 of 22

i prefer my shure 535 over my w4 but my requirements are different as i use them for djing. when in loud environments my shure provide better isolation. when I'm not djing i use my w4 but i am considering selling them to go full custom. the w4 def sound more natural though. 

post #10 of 22

Had my Shure 535s for a couple of weeks and not really enjoying them to be honest. Once I was over the WOW factor of the treble range I soon started finding major flaws. They do not resolve mids as well as they are supposed to and there is a really annoying roll off at the high treble range which then makes the sound really harsh. Bass is enough but if you like a lot of bass these probably wont be for you. They are well made but the cabling isn't. On the plus side they are extremely comfortable and agree with others that the isolation is fantastic. If you have heard Phonak PFE earphones you will appreciate you can get trebles sounding amazing without the crazy 535 price tag. There is no way on earth that Shure can justify their RRP IMO.

post #11 of 22
The w4 also has to be amped to really open them up I haven't amped mine so that is something I may try before I sell them
post #12 of 22

I never heard se535 (or any shure to be honest), but I got a W4 amped most of the time with a humble E7, and it's heaven to me. great sound and noise cancel, amazing confort. 

post #13 of 22

From the person who cracked my W4, he said that they are one of the most solidly built IEMs. It is of great quality and very robust.....personally it looks rather delicate to me, maybe it is the shape and material usedconfused_face_2.gif
 

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you seem to have pointed out the exact thing i was thinking that the build quality of the 535 are superior to the westones. i do know that the 4r came out but they are over my budget although very nice, i think it would make my choice even that much harder if the 4r were in my budget.

 

as far as the memory wire on the 535 they might not be 100% efficent in the memory wire ability, but from what ive seen and read it does seem like they 100% changed the quality of the cable giving the ability to detach it and kevlar coating it seems like shure made good strides in fixing some of the issues with the 530's

 

i mean i know that like 400 isnt alot of money for headphones, i mean it is but by comparison there are more costly headphones out there. but along side the quality of music, i need a headphone that is going to be durable, last long.

 

ive read the cable is good on the 4's, but it just sucks that the cable is non disconnect, most of the times with iem's the cables/jack are the first things to go, it would just pain me to get a iem that doesnt allow the changing of the cable. i think that is one of the positives about going up higher in price range is the ability to change out the cable for the better. 

 

seems like being stuck with 1 particular cable seems like you are stuck with 1 particular iem, whereas  changing cables depending on the cable can increase the iem's ability to sound better.
 

 



 

post #14 of 22

based on your music, stay away from the 4s. I have same taste in music and had the 4s, sold them and got the 535s. No comparison. The 4s are lacking in subbass and generally bass is detailed but not there for rap, etc. Whereas the 535s are awesome for rap. Not as detailed as 4s, but more impactful and more present.

post #15 of 22
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I never heard se535 (or any shure to be honest), but I got a W4 amped most of the time with a humble E7, and it's heaven to me. great sound and noise cancel, amazing confort. 


 

Do you find that e7 makes a difference compared to no amp at all?

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