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post #46 of 109
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You never have people unwrapping candies or playing with their program and making this horrible noise or talking to each other when you listen to music through headphones or speakers... Of course, a live concert could be much better, if only I could be the only one in the audience!



I cannot remember any concert where I had someone unwrapping candy or playing with their program.  But far worse, I do remember one where I finally had to turn around and tell the woman seated behind me to please stop singing along with the artist on stage.  Neither speakers, as good as they get, nor headphones can replicate the experience nor acoustics of a great live performance....apples, oranges, pears.  They all have their merits and flaws IMO.  If you were the only one in the audience the performance hall (room) you were listening in would sound entirely different than if it were full of other people, just from the standpoint of how the bodies alter the acoustics of the space.  You might not like what you hear...depends on the room. 

post #47 of 109
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I cannot remember any concert where I had someone unwrapping candy or playing with their program.  But far worse, I do remember one where I finally had to turn around and tell the woman seated behind me to please stop singing along with the artist on stage.  Neither speakers, as good as they get, nor headphones can replicate the experience nor acoustics of a great live performance....apples, oranges, pears.  They all have their merits and flaws IMO.  If you were the only one in the audience the performance hall (room) you were listening in would sound entirely different than if it were full of other people, just from the standpoint of how the bodies alter the acoustics of the space.  You might not like what you hear...depends on the room. 


I've had the wonderful experience of seeing a concert at the Vienna Music Hall in Austria. The concert was amazing and the sound was incredible as expected, particularly from the percussion instruments and vocalists. What really stood out though is that there's several short segments of the performance where the audience claps along with the music. You simply can't replicate it. Seven Rockports in surround sound wouldn't do it, you have to be there. 

post #48 of 109
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I cannot remember any concert where I had someone unwrapping candy or playing with their program.  But far worse, I do remember one where I finally had to turn around and tell the woman seated behind me to please stop singing along with the artist on stage.  Neither speakers, as good as they get, nor headphones can replicate the experience nor acoustics of a great live performance....apples, oranges, pears.  They all have their merits and flaws IMO.  If you were the only one in the audience the performance hall (room) you were listening in would sound entirely different than if it were full of other people, just from the standpoint of how the bodies alter the acoustics of the space.  You might not like what you hear...depends on the room. 

 

That is funny, I just didn't think that this would be possible, someone singing in the audience!

 

I guess that I am just a little crazy. Sometime, just someone who breathes a little too loudly with her or his nose disturbs me! I am mostly thinking of classical music concert. Yesterday, for instance, I went to hear the Juilliard Quartet here in NYC, there were two people with the score on my right side, turning the pages, and at some point one of them got lost in the score so he was turning the pages back an forth -- horror! Did I mention people going to concerts with plastic bags, coughing and then looking for couch drop at the bottom of the plastic bag ? I am not saying anything about the fact that people usually applaud to quickly at the end, very often even before the end (when not between movements!)...  It is certainly different for other kinds of music. Lastly, you are right about the empty hall. Perhaps it could then be filled with stuffed animals or something like that! Well, it is probably simpler for me just to stick with my headphones after all.rolleyes.gif

 

 

post #49 of 109
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I've had the wonderful experience of seeing a concert at the Vienna Music Hall in Austria. The concert was amazing and the sound was incredible as expected, particularly from the percussion instruments and vocalists. What really stood out though is that there's several short segments of the performance where the audience claps along with the music. You simply can't replicate it. Seven Rockports in surround sound wouldn't do it, you have to be there. 



Yes, good point, then there's the actual experience of joining so many other music loving people to go experience artists who are performing live for your benefit.  The energy that is created in any situation like that cannot be ignored. 

 

Oh, and I can't stand surround sound, so the thought of wasting Rockports on that gimmicky effect  just makes me wince.  But point taken on the comparison and good point it is.  You just can't recreate that kind of energy.

post #50 of 109
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I've had the wonderful experience of seeing a concert at the Vienna Music Hall in Austria. The concert was amazing and the sound was incredible as expected, particularly from the percussion instruments and vocalists. What really stood out though is that there's several short segments of the performance where the audience claps along with the music. You simply can't replicate it. Seven Rockports in surround sound wouldn't do it, you have to be there. 


I have to say that generally speaking the audience in Europe (more specifically, to speak about what I know first hand, concert attendees in Paris) behaves in an exemplary way, but here in New York you get an sense that people just don't realize that one just cannot ear the other way, as one can look the other way...


Edited by verwandlung - 2/26/12 at 9:13am
post #51 of 109
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I have to say that generally speaking the audience in Europe (more specifically, to speak about what I know first hand, concert attendees in Paris) behaves in an exemplary way. 



Well evidently that girl behind me, on that evening I mentioned, did not get her audience member etiquette lessons in Paris. I think she got here training from a vocational school in New Jersey. 

post #52 of 109
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Oh, and I can't stand surround sound, so the thought of wasting Rockports on that gimmicky effect  just makes me wince.  But point taken on the comparison and good point it is.  You just can't recreate that kind of energy.

 

Surround, at least in regards to recreating a live performance is fake, I agree. The concert at the Musikverein sounded like stereo. I suspect this is why most high-end SACD players have reverted to stereo only - nobody needs or wants surround. The reason why I mentioned using 7 Rockports that way is that I was around the 15th row or so. There was a large number of people in front and to the sides of me, but a much larger number behind and above. The sound of the entire audience clapping at once filled the hall in 360 degrees, floor to ceiling. Even the best speakers can't replicate what that was like. This will give you an idea, but the Musikverein is about three times the scale of this room.

 

 

 

 

 

post #53 of 109

i am thinking about getting a realizer a8 with a woo audio wes headphone amp with stax sr009 headphones would this combination be possible? and to the above of recreating the sound of a concert hall my two krell evolutions ones with westlake audio tower sm1s would have no trouble doing that!


Edited by our martin - 2/29/12 at 6:14am
post #54 of 109
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i am thinking about getting a realizer a8 with a woo audio wes headphone amp with stax sr009 headphones would this combination be possible? and to the above of recreating the sound of a concert hall my two krell evolutions ones with westlake audio tower sm1s would have no trouble doing that!

Yes that would work.
No, you have to be in a concert hall and do your PRIR for your A8 from the hall.
Have never done that big of a room, but the folks at Smyth say it can be done.

 

post #55 of 109

i wll be doing my PRIR with my pioneer susano av receiver and pioneer s81 7.1 surround sound speakers which sound like a martin logan set up..saying that you can store quite a lot of different settings on a sd card..this will be for my new pc build.. i will be using a samsung 55inch super oled screen and the pioneer stuff will be for watching movies the a8 wes and staxsr009 will be for playing battlefield3 with my music playing..should be out of this world.p.s does the realizer use dac chips and if so which ones because i think sabre 32 chips are about the best or am i better off getting a stand alone dac to get the best possible sound i can and if so which one? i am thinking about the wired for sound dac 2 and just wondering on what dac chips it uses? and would this be possible to work with the a8 wes headphone amp and stax sr009?


Edited by our martin - 2/29/12 at 7:41am
post #56 of 109

A8's DAC chip is a PCM 1794.

I use a W4S DAC1 with upgraded caps, both the 1 and 2 DAC's use the ES 9018 Dac solution.

The reason why I bypass the A8's DAC is because I use the A8's HDMI input and then out via toslink to my W4S DAC1, from the DAC1 to my amp I use balanced XLR interconnects to my amp.

Using the above method, my audio is kept in digital LPCM and then the balanced DAC1 does the balanced D/A conversion.

 

You may want to look at the Realiser thread here on Head-Fi.

post #57 of 109

so through what i have read, i have gathered that the best sound possible is through the balanced xlr,so i am better off going hdmi via toslink route because it will be the most natural sounding a bit like the krell cast system! in other words i am better off getting the wired for sound dac 2 if i want the best possible sound right..a bit like with wifi music streamers they sound better with the ethernet connection..i read a bit more about the realizer and it only comes with a hdmi input which is no problem for me since i am doing a new build but it might be for some people..


Edited by our martin - 2/29/12 at 3:32pm
post #58 of 109
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so through what i have read, i have gathered that the best sound possible is through the balanced xlr,so i am better off going hdmi via toslink route because it will be the most natural sounding a bit like the krell cast system! in other words i am better off getting the wired for sound dac 2 if i want the best possible sound right!


I wouldn't describe the W4S DAC-2 as "the best sound possible". It's a decent enough DAC for the money, but that's all it is. An Overdrive should spank it six ways from Sunday.

 

post #59 of 109

i might not even get a dac since the realizer a8 has got dac chips and just go with the woo audio wes headphone amp with the stax sr009..but still not sure what to do i planned on getting the beyerdynamic headzone game until some one mentioned the realizer it's for gaming after all..it's just the sr009s sound a bit like martin logan electrostats that got me curious because they sound good with a krell kid papa dock combo..has the realizer got good sound anyway because my mind is not made up yet on a dac and i know the headphones that come with it are stax but are they any good because this is going to be one full up desk if i get the woo audio gear aswell, and 3 grand is about right for gaming i think anyway there is no point going overboard if it sounds good anyway..going for the realizer a8 stax 727 mark 2 headphone amp with the sr009s thanks for all your input!  p.s  the ones that come with it look like something from doctor who..changed my mind now going for the realizer a8 sr009 blue hawai se headphone amp and dac2 and i know it's going overboard for gaming but you only live once and the game soundtracks are getting better and better all the time so why not!1 the final build.jpg click on the picture for bigger image..


Edited by our martin - 3/5/12 at 9:11am
post #60 of 109
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i might not even get a dac since the realizer a8 has got dac chips and just go with the woo audio wes headphone amp with the stax sr009..but still not sure what to do i planned on getting the beyerdynamic headzone game until some one mentioned the realizer it's for gaming after all..it's just the sr009s sound a bit like martin logan electrostats that got me curious because they sound good with a krell kid papa dock combo..has the realizer got good sound anyway because my mind is not made up yet on a dac and i know the headphones that come with it are stax but are they any good because this is going to be one full up desk if i get the woo audio gear aswell, and 3 grand is about right for gaming i think anyway there is no point going overboard if it sounds good anyway..going for the realizer a8 stax 727 mark 2 headphone amp with the sr009s thanks for all your input!  p.s  the ones that come with it look like something from doctor who..changed my mind now going for the realizer a8 sr009 blue hawai se headphone amp and dac2 and i know it's going overboard for gaming but you only live once and the game soundtracks are getting better and better all the time so why not!

 

I own(ed) most of the gear you discuss above and I can tell you that the beyerdynamic headzone is nowhere near the level of the Realizer, also if you get a Woo WES it's preferable to use the balanced XLR over RCA so getting a dedicated DAC would help, I personnaly use a perfectwave DAC.

 

 

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