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post #16 of 20
2/16/12 at 11:49am
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Pop music is usually dynamically compressed. Makes it good for background music and listening in louder places. Using it for critical listening can sometimes cause fatigue though. Just an idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ


I have no idea how this is possible but this might be EXACTLY what's wrong with virtually anything other than pure instrumental. Many thanks for this link. A lot of things DO sound kinda too loud for without me actually setting the loudness and if I want to get it louder it causes fatigue.

The thing I absolutely do not understand is that people doing recordings in the studio are professionals and have much more expensive equipment for controlling and stuff, how the hell is it possible they produce such ****??? A friend of mine is producing some music as a hobby and he told me once it's not very hard to produce music which sounds amazing when the equipment is amazing but something should be done to the music for it to sound acceptable on cheap stuff. Maybe that's the problem? 

 

It makes me puke really, not only does CD-quality being marketed as the best quality of the world (which is ridiculous taking into account how much more information the master-records have) BUT they also spoil the music in the studio to make it acceptable for cheap equipment. WTF? This is the irony of the world, I mean how many people actually know that sony makes something like MDR 7506? You can't find it if you go to sony.com. So sick.

 

 

But I'm wondering why do they not apply this stuff to the instrumental/classical or am I missing something?


Edited by econsumer666 - 2/16/12 at 11:53am
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post #17 of 20
2/16/12 at 11:52am
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I wish I knew what is causing that. In fact I only read about something like fatigue when listening to music before I actually experienced it myself with the Adam set. My Adam A3X is a smaller model and has only the tweeter-setting but I didn't change anything. My room is 18m2 but I thought the room acoustics isn't all that important for a near field monitor? I mean it doesn't fill the room even to one third and the sound comes straight into you so I don't quite understand how the room acoustic is so important in this case.

 

Actually it's pretty strange because I experience NO fatigue whatsoever when listening to classics and to pure acoustic instrumental music (like a guitar) but if it gets more pop and someone is singing: the fatigue is there. The sound is so direct and maybe I'd describe it as too transparent? I'm probably not used to this sound but it kinda doesn't let me relax. With classics it's not a problem, this system costs like 800 EUR total with the Sub and I highly doubt one can actually get anything better for classics for this amount, when the source is good it sounds incredibly natural and I'm only using the Audio Gd fun as DAC and preamplifier.

 

P.S. I was considering buying B&W MM 1 or the Zeppelin because they sounded incredibly sweet to my ears i the store, however the store where I actually went to buy didn't have this stuff at all and had only pro-studio-stuff and no hi-fi so I bought the Adam set.




The A3X looks like desktop computer speakers,  but they are so much more especially with the sub. About the room acoustics there is a lot of sound reflections in the room, so eventually you're listening to your room and not only to the speakers but this is entirely a different subject.   

 

101 you can try to lower the twitters levels and see if you'll get more relaxing feel from the Adams in your room.

 

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post #18 of 20
2/16/12 at 12:30pm
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how the hell is it possible they produce such ****???

It makes me puke really,
My sentiments exactly.
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But I'm wondering why do they not apply this stuff to the instrumental/classical or am I missing something?
I think it is because classical isn't marketed over the radio and at clubs. When listening to songs over and over in a car or a club/bar (not good listening environments) the loudest songs will stick out. This is why they are trying to make each CD as loud as possible and destroying the dynamics in the process.

Would be nice if they released separate full dynamics versions for when you want to listen to the music itself. We can dream...
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post #19 of 20
2/16/12 at 2:12pm
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My sentiments exactly.
I think it is because classical isn't marketed over the radio and at clubs. When listening to songs over and over in a car or a club/bar (not good listening environments) the loudest songs will stick out. This is why they are trying to make each CD as loud as possible and destroying the dynamics in the process.
Would be nice if they released separate full dynamics versions for when you want to listen to the music itself. We can dream...


The question is now, whether the high resolution music you can buy online for instance, is actually worth it or whether it's just a converted stuff from CD, it was 16bit but they convert it and it's now showing 24bit although not more detailed at all - you know what I mean. I mean, i DID see King Kong on Blue Ray - laughed so hard I couldn't even fall asleep.

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post #20 of 20
2/16/12 at 2:39pm
I heard HDTracks got caught upsampling tracks and selling them as high rez so they cleaned up their inventory and now only sell true high rez.

Here is a site that lists album's compression levels.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/542768/why-do-so-many-great-albums-sound-so-bad


You might enjoy this thread.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/542768/why-do-so-many-great-albums-sound-so-bad
Edited by Draygonn - 2/16/12 at 3:27pm
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