Head-Fi.org › Forums › Help and Getting Started › Introductions, Help and Recommendations › Buying portable or in-ear headphones? Seeking guidance? DON'T START A NEW THREAD. Ask for advice HERE!
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Buying portable or in-ear headphones? Seeking guidance? DON'T START A NEW THREAD. Ask for advice... - Page 4  

post #46 of 5343

First off, long time reader first time posting...

 

Gearing up for arrival of ibasso dx100.  I have the Seinheisser HD600, albeit 10 yrs old, which is fine for at home cans but my question is, given that I like the soundstage of the sennheisers, can someone recommend a nice set of IEMs that would do well in an airplane (good noise isolation and comfort for 3-4hrs)? Under $400 would be preferrable.  My musical taste is as diverse as it gets but rock probably gets 50% of airtime.

 

Thanks.

post #47 of 5343

Ety ER-6i replacements: HF5, Q-Jays, RE-262, ACS T15, DBA-02?

Really, really liked my Etys as my first pair of proper IEMs. Very sadly wire issues. Cannot source so will repair. Need replacements asap. Originally chose ER-6i for the extra bass and the isolation quality for travelling, as I'm on train or around and about most days (found triple flange works best). Source mostly macbook pro, or iPod/phone (no amp). Mostly electronic music, soul/funk/disco, dub, reggae, some jazz, rock/indie, occasional classical. Almost always minimum 320kbps. If it helps, use Alesis M1 active MK2 monitor speakers for listening at home. Clean sound, punchy rich low end.

Having been through ljokerl's outstanding 221 review thread as a way of narrowing down (huge respect for the time and effort), here's where I'm at:

Budget of c£100, but could be persuaded up.

HF5 - first thought, as seem natural Ety progression from 6i's, but slight concern about depth of bass. Avail on offer at £85.

Q-Jays - very tempted but seem difficult to source in UK. Found for £115 (but in odd colour)

Head Direct HiFiMAN RE-262 look good. Found for £99. Bargain?

ACS T15s also look interesting, although outside what I was going to spend @ £149. Are they worth the extra?

Fischer Audio DBA-02 - really like these if price right. But cannot seem to find anywhere in UK/Europe. Is there a mk2 coming?

Ruled a few makers out during research, including Westone, Shure. So grateful for any comments on what I've chosen that I think will best suit my preferences. No opportunity to try before I buy AFAIK. Many thanks.
 

post #48 of 5343

Well the gr07 seems to be a good choice though I would like to try a ba earphone since I've never tried one before, or do the gr07 are even more clear and detailed than maybe the westone 1/um1?

post #49 of 5343
Quote:
Originally Posted by swimmintunes View Post

First off, long time reader first time posting...

 

Gearing up for arrival of ibasso dx100.  I have the Seinheisser HD600, albeit 10 yrs old, which is fine for at home cans but my question is, given that I like the soundstage of the sennheisers, can someone recommend a nice set of IEMs that would do well in an airplane (good noise isolation and comfort for 3-4hrs)? Under $400 would be preferrable.  My musical taste is as diverse as it gets but rock probably gets 50% of airtime.

 

Thanks.

Over-ear ergonomic designs (i.e. Westone) tend to be the most comfortable for prolonged use, and IEMs based on balanced armatures (BAs) will give maximum isolation, as they operate in sealed chambers. So I guess start with the Westones and work your way out from there?
 

 



Quote:
Originally Posted by pollen View Post

Ety ER-6i replacements: HF5, Q-Jays, RE-262, ACS T15, DBA-02?

Really, really liked my Etys as my first pair of proper IEMs. Very sadly wire issues. Cannot source so will repair. Need replacements asap. Originally chose ER-6i for the extra bass and the isolation quality for travelling, as I'm on train or around and about most days (found triple flange works best). Source mostly macbook pro, or iPod/phone (no amp). Mostly electronic music, soul/funk/disco, dub, reggae, some jazz, rock/indie, occasional classical. Almost always minimum 320kbps. If it helps, use Alesis M1 active MK2 monitor speakers for listening at home. Clean sound, punchy rich low end.

Having been through ljokerl's outstanding 221 review thread as a way of narrowing down (huge respect for the time and effort), here's where I'm at:

Budget of c£100, but could be persuaded up.

HF5 - first thought, as seem natural Ety progression from 6i's, but slight concern about depth of bass. Avail on offer at £85.

Q-Jays - very tempted but seem difficult to source in UK. Found for £115 (but in odd colour)

Head Direct HiFiMAN RE-262 look good. Found for £99. Bargain?

ACS T15s also look interesting, although outside what I was going to spend @ £149. Are they worth the extra?

Fischer Audio DBA-02 - really like these if price right. But cannot seem to find anywhere in UK/Europe. Is there a mk2 coming?

Ruled a few makers out during research, including Westone, Shure. So grateful for any comments on what I've chosen that I think will best suit my preferences. No opportunity to try before I buy AFAIK. Many thanks.
 


I'll just provide some notes on your observations thus far. First, I think you're pretty spot on about the HF5s, as I don't think they'll give you that boosted bass for electronic genres. I think you'll probably be able to find an alternative to the Q-jays that's easier to acquire. I don't think the RE262s are what you're looking for, as they're very colored and mid-centric, which is almost the exact opposite of the sound you're looking for. The DBA-02s are identical to the Brainwavz B2s, which are still available from MP4nation, but you'll have to pre-order, as their new batch comes in next month. There's also an MKII, which you can get from Musica Acoustics, and you can find more details on the dedicated thread. Just curious, why did you rule out westone and shure? they make some very solid IEMs as well.

 



Quote:
Originally Posted by dustdevil View Post

Well the gr07 seems to be a good choice though I would like to try a ba earphone since I've never tried one before, or do the gr07 are even more clear and detailed than maybe the westone 1/um1?


I think the GR07s will be more revealing than the Westone 1s. ljokerl, at least, puts the Westones on par soundwise with the A151s, and my GR07s blow my A151s out of the water as far as detail is concerned, not to mention in other areas...

 

post #50 of 5343
Hi everyone,

Firstly, I have lurked here for a while and absolutely adore this place, it's really opened my eyes up to audio, much love and respect to all of you who put the time and effort into sharing your advice and knowledge!

I apologise in advance for all the detail I'm about to give, I have tried to rummage around for a suitable starting point but am very much a novice to quality audio equipment and am intimidated by the choice.

Currently I listen to DnB, dubstep (proper dubstep with the kind of bass you can feel rather than the screaming midrange of Skrillex/borgore etc) and house - all of which I mix with.
I also listen to Jazz and a lot of acoustic music with everything in between.

I own Senn's IE8s and love the sound but can't listen to them for very long as my ears get warm and waxy and hate the way I keep having to readjust them every time I move my jaw. I've also had tinitus for many years and though I listen at the minimum volume possible, I feel that having the sound so directly into my ears makes it worse then when I listen to cans at a relative volume.

So really I want something that:
Has warm treble, powerful midrange and bass, not booming but range and depth important.
Portability isn't really an issue but I don't want anything massive with lots of movement.
Suitable for mixing would be a bonus.
Commuter friendly.

I've got up to £150 or $250 to spend (don't mind second hand) but I'd like to spend as little as possible. I'd like something that could get as close to reproducing the sound of my IE8s as possible, maybe I'm being naive, please school me!

I've been looking at:

Senn Px200
Senn HD 25 ii
AIAIAI TMA - 1
Pioneer SEMJ31/51

But that's as far as I've got. I totally lust after Grados's SR80i but realise they're very impractical for my needs...

I'm probably going to get ticked off for this but I've posted this twice in both the full sized/potable forums in the hope someone can point me in the right direction.

Thanks for any and all help in advance,
Harlan.
post #51 of 5343
Quote:
Originally Posted by FutureMotives View Post

Hi everyone,
Firstly, I have lurked here for a while and absolutely adore this place, it's really opened my eyes up to audio, much love and respect to all of you who put the time and effort into sharing your advice and knowledge!
I apologise in advance for all the detail I'm about to give, I have tried to rummage around for a suitable starting point but am very much a novice to quality audio equipment and am intimidated by the choice.
Currently I listen to DnB, dubstep (proper dubstep with the kind of bass you can feel rather than the screaming midrange of Skrillex/borgore etc) and house - all of which I mix with.
I also listen to Jazz and a lot of acoustic music with everything in between.
I own Senn's IE8s and love the sound but can't listen to them for very long as my ears get warm and waxy and hate the way I keep having to readjust them every time I move my jaw. I've also had tinitus for many years and though I listen at the minimum volume possible, I feel that having the sound so directly into my ears makes it worse then when I listen to cans at a relative volume.
So really I want something that:
Has warm treble, powerful midrange and bass, not booming but range and depth important.
Portability isn't really an issue but I don't want anything massive with lots of movement.
Suitable for mixing would be a bonus.
Commuter friendly.
I've got up to £150 or $250 to spend (don't mind second hand) but I'd like to spend as little as possible. I'd like something that could get as close to reproducing the sound of my IE8s as possible, maybe I'm being naive, please school me!
I've been looking at:
Senn Px200
Senn HD 25 ii
AIAIAI TMA - 1
Pioneer SEMJ31/51
But that's as far as I've got. I totally lust after Grados's SR80i but realise they're very impractical for my needs...
I'm probably going to get ticked off for this but I've posted this twice in both the full sized/potable forums in the hope someone can point me in the right direction.
Thanks for any and all help in advance,
Harlan.


Already answered this on the other thread, but Denon D200 was my suggestion.

 

post #52 of 5343

Hi all,

 

Please can you advise on my next iem purchase?

 

I currently have Etymotic MC5 and Ultimate Ears SuperFi 5vi (well 600's which replaced the 5vi that I lost).

 

I tend to use the SuperFi's more, mainly because they are more comfortable and they have the volume / music control inline; I like the sound, but I'm not wowed by it.

 

With the MC5s, I do like the sound (detail and width of soundstage are both better than the UE), they are perhaps a little light on the bass though I still enjoy it because it is clear.  The main trouble I have with them is lack of inline music control (should have got the MC3, but couldn't at the time I bought them), and I find them quite uncomfortable.  I use Comply tips on both sets of IEMs (large size) - while they don't give as good isolation as the triple flange, I found the triple flange (both sizes) hurt if I put them in far enough to get decent isolation (and SQ).  I think given the deeper insertion of the MC5's I should probably have used a smaller size Comply and that would have alleviated the discomfort somewhat, but not altogether - I find the body of the phones rests on the back of my ears, and rubs - when I take them out, even after only an hour, it feels very uncomfortable.  One other thing with the MC5s, I think it's really when I don't get a good seal, or perhaps just the general discomfort of using them, but I do find that sometimes the treble does cross over to be almost painful (it's bizarre, but I almost feel like I want to be sick!); the volume isn't high, but it just gets tiring very quickly when it happens and I have to shutdown immediately

 

I don't have the comfort issues with the UEs, but the isolation is pretty poor I find.  The other big issue with the UEs is durability.  I've only had this pair 6-8 months and the cable has come away from the plug and the cable near the drivers has split; I really don't want to replace them that frequently and I'd rather not have to keep sending them back under warranty (even assuming they'd be replaced).  I get the impression that, even if I used the MC5s as much as the UE's, that their cable would last much longer.

 

So the real question, where to I go next?  I really want something with the inline music control/mic (ideally volume as well as track control) - I know this narrows the field quite considerably, I'd like better isolation than the UE's, and better comfort than the MC5s along with SQ that is ideally better than either.  They also must be more durable than the UEs (or perhaps replaceable cable).

 

Next, on to what I'm looking at... I know the range is quite wide; basically I'd like to stick to the lower end price wise, but if there is a massively compelling argument to go to the higher end I'll consider it.  Naturally I'm open to anything outside of these that meets my aims:

 

Ety HF3 - They have a slimmer body and generally higher rated than the MC5 so they may be more comfortable, I'm a little concerned that they may be significantly lighter on bass than the MC5 - I like the MC5 bass response, but I wouldn't want much less than that.

 

Monster Turbine Copper with control talk - I like what I've read in terms of SQ, but they are expensive and I have concerns on what I've read of durability - even if they have a good warranty, I'd rather not need to use it.

 

Shure SE535 - Way expensive, but has replaceable cable (and phones!), good reviews.  Not sure on the comfort side again and I'd need to be very convinced that they're worth that much more than other IEMs I may consider. 

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 

post #53 of 5343
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caudovittatus View Post

Hi all,

 

Please can you advise on my next iem purchase?

 

I currently have Etymotic MC5 and Ultimate Ears SuperFi 5vi (well 600's which replaced the 5vi that I lost).

 

I tend to use the SuperFi's more, mainly because they are more comfortable and they have the volume / music control inline; I like the sound, but I'm not wowed by it.

 

With the MC5s, I do like the sound (detail and width of soundstage are both better than the UE), they are perhaps a little light on the bass though I still enjoy it because it is clear.  The main trouble I have with them is lack of inline music control (should have got the MC3, but couldn't at the time I bought them), and I find them quite uncomfortable.  I use Comply tips on both sets of IEMs (large size) - while they don't give as good isolation as the triple flange, I found the triple flange (both sizes) hurt if I put them in far enough to get decent isolation (and SQ).  I think given the deeper insertion of the MC5's I should probably have used a smaller size Comply and that would have alleviated the discomfort somewhat, but not altogether - I find the body of the phones rests on the back of my ears, and rubs - when I take them out, even after only an hour, it feels very uncomfortable.  One other thing with the MC5s, I think it's really when I don't get a good seal, or perhaps just the general discomfort of using them, but I do find that sometimes the treble does cross over to be almost painful (it's bizarre, but I almost feel like I want to be sick!); the volume isn't high, but it just gets tiring very quickly when it happens and I have to shutdown immediately

 

I don't have the comfort issues with the UEs, but the isolation is pretty poor I find.  The other big issue with the UEs is durability.  I've only had this pair 6-8 months and the cable has come away from the plug and the cable near the drivers has split; I really don't want to replace them that frequently and I'd rather not have to keep sending them back under warranty (even assuming they'd be replaced).  I get the impression that, even if I used the MC5s as much as the UE's, that their cable would last much longer.

 

So the real question, where to I go next?  I really want something with the inline music control/mic (ideally volume as well as track control) - I know this narrows the field quite considerably, I'd like better isolation than the UE's, and better comfort than the MC5s along with SQ that is ideally better than either.  They also must be more durable than the UEs (or perhaps replaceable cable).

 

Next, on to what I'm looking at... I know the range is quite wide; basically I'd like to stick to the lower end price wise, but if there is a massively compelling argument to go to the higher end I'll consider it.  Naturally I'm open to anything outside of these that meets my aims:

 

Ety HF3 - They have a slimmer body and generally higher rated than the MC5 so they may be more comfortable, I'm a little concerned that they may be significantly lighter on bass than the MC5 - I like the MC5 bass response, but I wouldn't want much less than that.

 

Monster Turbine Copper with control talk - I like what I've read in terms of SQ, but they are expensive and I have concerns on what I've read of durability - even if they have a good warranty, I'd rather not need to use it.

 

Shure SE535 - Way expensive, but has replaceable cable (and phones!), good reviews.  Not sure on the comfort side again and I'd need to be very convinced that they're worth that much more than other IEMs I may consider. 

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 


Since you seem to have nicely singled out a few options, I'll go from there. The HF3, as you mentioned, seems to be a bit of an older brother to your current MC5s, so you know what to expect a little there. However, I don't know that you'll find the fit any more comfortable on these, as the housings seem to be a tad bigger, but since they're shaped differently, maybe you'll have some luck there... Regarding sound, I have not heard anything about the HF5 being lighter on bass than the MC5, so I don't think that'll be a problem. The MTPCs are solid, but may not be what you're looking for if you generally like the MC5's sound sig, as it's significantly more bass-oriented, and as you mentioned, build might be an issue. Again, the Shures have yet another sound signature to consider, so unless you're sure you'll like the sound, you might want to be wary. 

 

One other option I will throw out is the Audeo Phonak PFEs, which share a similar sound sig with the Etys, but have a more ergonomic design, and also have an inline mic option. Now I'm not sure if the mic one also includes a one-button remote, but there's apparently another 3-button remote model, but that's a bit pricier. 

 

One last thing to note is that you might not want to limit yourself with the inline music control. There are a lot of good IEMs that you're overlooking with this limitation, and you can purchase adapters that will give you that remote functionality, albeit at the cost of an extra cable to clutter things up.

post #54 of 5343
Quote:

Originally Posted by Caudovittatus View Post

 

Shure SE535 - Way expensive, but has replaceable cable (and phones!), good reviews.  Not sure on the comfort side again and I'd need to be very convinced that they're worth that much more than other IEMs I may consider. 

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 


Hi Caudovittatus, I have just recently picked up the special/limited edition 535s and LOVE them - they are spectacular and definitely worth the price. I haven't experienced any replacement cables with inline control, but no doubt they're available. In terms of comfort, the range of included tips is excellent and the casing sits really nicely in the ear. After a while, I don find some pressure in the ear canal, but it's from the tips (i.e. no different from any other IEM), not the actual earphones.

 

I can't comment on the Etys or the Monsters unfortunately, but might go check out the Monsters and post back on here for you if I can do a comparison.

 

post #55 of 5343

Thanks for the info; I do feel a bit of a muppet having not considered the extra cable option :). I did a quick search and there are a couple that I could use so that opens the field up to pretty much anything that meets the other criteria.

 

I have often considered the Audeo Phonak PFE range, but whenever I've looked they do appear awfully fragile - admittedly, I've not seen them 'in the flesh' so I could be wrong on that.  But any beyond the price that I paid for the MC5's I'd want to have pretty good durability.

 

Loquah, can I ask what you were using before the 535 and how it relates to them?

 

Thanks!

post #56 of 5343

Well I'm really interested in the difference of the Westone 1 and UM1 since they have similar design and price, and do the ety hf5 has much less bass than these and do the hf5 force you to take them off after an hour or so(whatever reason, comfort/fatiguing sound etc.). Also will the hf5 show the compression flaws of 192kbps files?


Edited by dustdevil - 3/7/12 at 3:31am
post #57 of 5343
Since starting a thread, I have decided to up my budget to $100. I am looking for Earbuds that provide good isolation and sound good with rock music and rap. Also alot of my downloads are from bands that are into diy so the music can be bad at times and the Earbuds need to play well with that.

The things I am looking at are:

Meelectronics A151 because of the isolation.

Shure Se215 because of the isolation and bass.

Etymotic mc5 because it's the best isolating earbud.

Fischer Audio Eterna because of the bass, but I hear isolation is only above average which might not get the job done on a bus.


And I am open to suggestions as well. I realize the Shure will probably be recommended the most, but I would have no money after buying those so unless they are so much better than others then please try and comment on another earbud. I have a $100, but would rather not spend it unless it's on something that provides the best bang for buck. Thanks.
post #58 of 5343
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caudovittatus View Post

Thanks for the info; I do feel a bit of a muppet having not considered the extra cable option :). I did a quick search and there are a couple that I could use so that opens the field up to pretty much anything that meets the other criteria.

 

I have often considered the Audeo Phonak PFE range, but whenever I've looked they do appear awfully fragile - admittedly, I've not seen them 'in the flesh' so I could be wrong on that.  But any beyond the price that I paid for the MC5's I'd want to have pretty good durability.

 

Loquah, can I ask what you were using before the 535 and how it relates to them?

 

Thanks!


Yeah, the PFEs don't have the best track record for durability, but if you're willing to go with the remote attachment that opens up your options a lot.

 



Quote:
Originally Posted by dustdevil View Post

Well I'm really interested in the difference of the Westone 1 and UM1 since they have similar design and price, and do the ety hf5 has much less bass than these and do the hf5 force you to take them off after an hour or so(whatever the reason, comfort/fatiguing sound etc.). Also will the hf5 show the compression flaws of 192kbps files?


I can't really tell you the difference between the Westone 1 and UM1, unfortunately, but I do think you'll miss the bass with the HF5s, and they do tend to be a bit unforgiving of bad source files. And if you're not used to the deep insertion, they can get uncomfortable.

 



Quote:
Originally Posted by VegasLakers View Post

Since starting a thread, I have decided to up my budget to $100. I am looking for Earbuds that provide good isolation and sound good with rock music and rap. Also alot of my downloads are from bands that are into diy so the music can be bad at times and the Earbuds need to play well with that.
The things I am looking at are:
Meelectronics A151 because of the isolation.
Shure Se215 because of the isolation and bass.
Etymotic mc5 because it's the best isolating earbud.
Fischer Audio Eterna because of the bass, but I hear isolation is only above average which might not get the job done on a bus.
And I am open to suggestions as well. I realize the Shure will probably be recommended the most, but I would have no money after buying those so unless they are so much better than others then please try and comment on another earbud. I have a $100, but would rather not spend it unless it's on something that provides the best bang for buck. Thanks.


Yeah, I'm going to come out and say that the Shures sound like the best option out of the ones you listed. The Etys won't be terribly forgiving of poor source material, and can feel a bit light on the bass. The A151 and Eterna could both work, and according to ljokerl's thread, at least, isolation is similar. Between those two, the Eterna might be better, due to the increased bass. 

 

post #59 of 5343

So are 192kbps files considered as bad source files? How about after getting use to the deep insertion of the hf5, how long before you have to take them out, or using the olives will be much better? and is the sound fatiguing? thanks


Edited by dustdevil - 3/7/12 at 3:33am
post #60 of 5343
Quote:
Originally Posted by dustdevil View Post

So are 192kbps files considered as bad sources? How about after getting use to the deep insertion of the hf5, how long before you have to take them out, or using the olives will be much better? and is the sound fatiguing? thanks


Yeah, 192 kbps is a little less than ideal as far as source files go, and the HF5s tend to be pretty revealing of stuff like that. You probably want at least 256 kbps, preferably 320 for mp3s. Regarding the insertion, I can't really tell you, as I've never owned a pair of Etys, but I personally can't use triple-flange tips, as they just don't fit my ear and go in too deep. I do find foam tips to be very comfortable though and can wear them for a few hours, though I don't know how they'll work on the HF5s. Also, their sound might be a little fatiguing, because of the detail and treble emphasis.

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
This thread is locked  
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Help and Getting Started › Introductions, Help and Recommendations › Buying portable or in-ear headphones? Seeking guidance? DON'T START A NEW THREAD. Ask for advice HERE!