Spent So Much Money and Still Disappointed - Page 9  

Just got my pair and they don't sound like that.

 

 

 

D2000s vs DT 770s vs Dr. Dre Beats

 

I can understand the D2000s not being adequate enough in the bass department for some people. I'd really like to hear some now to compare (as the D2000s were recommended to me before as well). 

defective electronics.. not!

 

seriously i dont know how many times i see people saying there is something wrong with equipment, i'd venture to guess thats correct like 1/50 times.

I own a pair of denon d2000 and have listned to the beats at bestbuy numerous times.  The denons bass isnt as powerful or loud as the beats, but its a better sound quality bass.  Beats bass can go louder lower (from what i remember) but the mids and highs arent anything good in general and the overpowering bass just makes it worse in my opinion.  however, you sound like a bass head so if you listened to them and liked them then you should of bought the beats in the first place.  everyone's tastes are different, you apparently just happen to want subwoofers on your ears

 

I think you need to get a better audition of the Beats then.  I've listened to my friend's Beats Studio and have directly A/B'd them to the D2000s with a select couple of songs, and there's no question that the D2000's bass is considerably more strong and impactul in the lowest regions of bass.  The beats, however, have a severely bloated yet very impactful midbass that the Denons don't.  It's an artificial hump, but it's that kind of tactile feedback that Beats owners have grown to enjoy.  Also considering that most modern pop/rap music is mastered to be mid-bass heavy as well.

 

There's no question full sized subs can hit the lowest notes with the best of authority (I have my own 12 incher to go along with my PSBs), but if I had to put money on it, I'd rank sub-bass performance with the full size sub being first, Denons being second and Beats being dead last.  Their sub-bass is paltry.  

Sell the D2000s here on Head-Fi. Save your money on Beats and get some XB500s for $50.

To be honest with the prices your quoting and the source your using i think your expecting way too much. I would avoid forums and just take your lap top to a local store that has a good selection of headphones, something like best buy, plug them in and listen and see which one you like.

I think the best suggestion here so far is the UDAC and denons for somewhere around what your wanting to spend. If your budget is fixed however I really think your going to have to lower your expectations and avoid the hyperbole of folks here who spend money they don't really have then desperately try to justify that spending by saying they have the best possible for little money. In my experience it just does not work that way! Heck, I ended up spending nearly $3000 for a sound that does blow me away. Everything else I tried was fine but it did not do what my end rig does. Unfortunately I find if you want the best your going to have to pay for it!
Edited by ianmedium - 2/22/12 at 9:58pm

 

... and you will continue to be disappointed. The fact is that both headphone technology and full-sized speaker technology are not closer to the sound of real music. Try as they might, inch by inch, but they are miles away. I have 15 year old issues of Stereophile magazine and, just like today, everything was just amazing and lifelike. Yeah, right. The only company which has pushed this envelope in my opinion is Smyth Technologies (though I have not heard the Smyth Realizer). So back to disappointment. My solution to this problem was to go low-tech; an Apple iPod and Sennheiser IE8. Nothing else. Until something radical comes along in the future, I am quite content to just lay back and let Mozart's Requiem move my soul.

 

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Don't sound like what? What do they sound like?

 

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I'm not 100% sure, but he might have been listening to the Beats Pro instead of the Studio. The graph above is for the studio, which measures noticeably different.

 

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I said it might be that or a source component (even bad synergy, not necessarily a defection). I know in the computer world, it's not entirely uncommon to receive defective components off the line (partially working or not). I'm not saying this applies just like in headphone manufacturing, but it's very possible. I've heard some other people recently saying the D2000s don't have much bass, which makes me wonder if maybe there was a bad production run (I've seen that happen with a number of headphones) or if Denon changed something about the D2000.

 

i was never really happy with headphones until I got into the upper registers of top headphones.. The LCD-2's and the Westone ES-5 customs have been the only two headphones (i certainly have not tried them all, or even close to it when it comes to the high end stuff) that ever really impressed me completely.    Fact is that if you are looking for really great sound,  most headphones just don't sound that good. 

I was referring to his his bass issues. Mine sound more or less like a "plastiky" version of my D7000s, which is still very damned good. They were a little boomy in the mid bass, but after a little breaking in and light modding they tightened up perfectly. They're more harsh on the top end compared to the D7000s, but that's like saying the ride in a Gulfstream isn't as smooth as a 747.
Edited by Magick Man - 2/22/12 at 10:35pm

Couldn't the Denons be EQ'd to add that mid-bass hump?
Edited by Draygonn - 2/22/12 at 11:33pm

After trying both XB700 and XB500 I'd say it's not that easy, tried EQing XB700 to get the midbass hump/tacticle feedback/punch/invisible bass/"feel"-the-sound-pressure to your ears or whatever of XB500 ^^ but I didn't manage to do it despite how much drastic EQ was applied (trust me you don't even wanna know :p) so yea it's more important to get a headphone that comes with that characteristic out of box if you're looking for it.

 

If bass punch is wanted then XB500, V-Moda Crossfade LP1/2, M-Audio Q40, Ultrasone PRO900 (and HFI-580 does quite nice job there too) and Audio Technica PRO700MK2 are good contenders.

 

Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 2/23/12 at 1:01am

 

'nuff said.

A couple things to consider man.  First of all you're asking for a sort of jack of all trades and you're expecting quite a lot of performance.  A jack of all trades type deal is rare.  There's tradeoffs to be made.  A setup with strong bottom will usually sound weak in the treble.  A clear sounding phone with great treble will usually sound thin.  You can't get both sides of the coin in one setup.  Not even if you spend a lot more.  Actually when you get to the expensive stuff it's usually about tailoring your sound towards one direction not adding to your sound what you're deficient in.

 

So maybe you can't get a JOAT setup.  OK:  What can we do?  I'm similar to you in that I have a diverse taste in music and want a lot of things from a headphone setup.  My answer is going something like this.

 

Multiple headphone setup.  Starting with a phone that's middle of the road.  Good for the rock stuff I listen to at the expense of the woofy/boomy bass.  Going to support that with a very strong amp that can deliver both voltage and current.  This way I can power high Ohm loads as well as low sensitivity loads.  Going with a more neutral DAC above that.  Down the road I will compliment this setup with another set of phones.  Since I'd have a powerful amp I'm afforded many options in headphone selection without having to rebuy an amp and then worrying about how that sounds with my source/DAC.

 

Back to you.  You Want strong bass for your sythentic music (rap/etc) and strong highs for metal/rock.  Beyer DT 990 does this.  DT 990 is most common in 300ohm and 600ohm.  You're going to need a lot of amp.  Probably a tube amp. 

 

What I'm getting at is your budget isn't going to get you far for what you want.  I think a high end IEM would suit you the best. 
 

 

Edited by emericanchaos - 2/23/12 at 1:15am