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Zero time lurker, first time poster (with potential).

 

Anyway guys I have had this idea for a while now, that involves tearing up dad's old floorstanding Krix speakers and create a cheap but bangin iPod dock out of them. The speakers are fairly decent but I'm not sure on performance if they are arranged close together?

 

I've done a bit of sound theory at uni and my guess is that it would be pretty tricky to get 2 sets of drivers/tweeters into a space roughly a quater of the size for which they are designed for...

 

What problems would I run into?

 

Also I have read about other dock's and the ability to get actual "line out" which then use a DAC instead of the onboard IPod amp.

Is this similar to an external amp but better? How does this work and can it work for both the AUX out + dock connector?

 

That's all for now. Hopefully if I get it running I can post some photos. dt880smile.png

 

P.S. If something similar exist's in other threads, sorry in advanced. I had a search and found nada.

 

 


Edited by Von krumm - 2/15/12 at 2:52am
post #2 of 9
It's not clear from your post exactly what it is that you are trying to accomplish.

You can bypass the iPod's internal DAC and amp and use an external DAC, but you'll still need an amp. It is not necessary to tear up your speakers to output the iPod's signal to them. An iPod can be used as a source in the same manner as either a CD player or CD transport can be used. Regardless, you'll need an amp to push the speakers.

Cabinet design is an important aspect of speaker design. You can't transplant drivers to a completely different cabinet design and expect a similar sound quality. If you start with quality speakers, the probability is high that sound quality will be significantly diminished.
Edited by Jaywalk3r - 2/15/12 at 5:41pm
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This bypass the DAC business and then saying an amp.......

A dock connector can be used to get line out, but it's still using the onboard DAC on the iDevice, just not using the internal amp (or minimally using the internal amp). Bypassing the internal DAC would require more expensive equipment than the Line Out Dock connector (shortened to LOD), which you would still need to get an amp to properly take advantage of this source. The LOD would only work from the connector, it would have no effect on the output from the headphone jack built into the device. 

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Originally Posted by Von krumm View Post

 

Also I have read about other dock's and the ability to get actual "line out" which then use a DAC instead of the onboard IPod amp.

Is this similar to an external amp but better? How does this work and can it work for both the AUX out + dock connector?

 

That's all for now. Hopefully if I get it running I can post some photos. dt880smile.png

 

P.S. If something similar exist's in other threads, sorry in advanced. I had a search and found nada.

 

 

 

If you would be so kind as to try to clearly state what you are trying to do, that would be great. If you are having trouble, try to just provide the basics, like what items you have, what you wanna do, what you're hoping the overall project will yield, and what things you don't understand/fears of what might go wrong. Welcome to the forums man, may God have mercy on your wallet.
 

 

post #4 of 9
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This bypass the DAC business and then saying an amp.......
A dock connector can be used to get line out, but it's still using the onboard DAC on the iDevice, just not using the internal amp (or minimally using the internal amp). Bypassing the internal DAC would require more expensive equipment than the Line Out Dock connector (shortened to LOD), which you would still need to get an amp to properly take advantage of this source. The LOD would only work from the connector, it would have no effect on the output from the headphone jack built into the device. 

My mistake. I was under the (mistaken) impression that digital output could be obtained from the dock connection.
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It can, just not easily. if you had an iPad it would just require the camera kit USB adapter, and then an external DAC, but without an iPad, you would need a DAC meant to take the digital signal from the iDevice, which usually is only in expensive devices as I believe their is a technical complication requiring authorization from Apple itself, but I am not completely sure. Considering what I can understand of your build idea, you might not want to spend that type of money, but once you are done with what you wanna do, it should be easily be able to be added if you so desire. The most important aspect is the amp in your situation (from what I can tell).

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Originally Posted by kenman345 View Post

This bypass the DAC business and then saying an amp.......
A dock connector can be used to get line out, but it's still using the onboard DAC on the iDevice, just not using the internal amp (or minimally using the internal amp). Bypassing the internal DAC would require more expensive equipment than the Line Out Dock connector (shortened to LOD), which you would still need to get an amp to properly take advantage of this source. The LOD would only work from the connector, it would have no effect on the output from the headphone jack built into the device. 
My mistake. I was under the (mistaken) impression that digital output could be obtained from the dock connection.

 

 

EDIT: just realized i was replying to someone other than the OP
 

Also, their are some doubts about the Line Out Dock connector truly bypassing the internal amp completely, but from experience the output from a LOD is noticeably better than from the HO (headphone out). 

 

EDIT 2: Also, why is this in the Portable Source Gear section of the forums? Am I missing something here with the idea or goal of this project?


Edited by kenman345 - 2/15/12 at 3:04pm
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by kenman345 View Post

 

Also, why is this in the Portable Source Gear section of the forums? Am I missing something here with the idea or goal of this project?

 

Thanks for your help guys, it is much appreciated.

Basically I wan't a portable iPod dock that doesn't stink.I have had a good look around and cannot find anything that fits the bill. frown.gif

 

No larger than what a female could carry.

Largest drivers possible, without loss of fidelity.

 

I'm not sure why, but the common trend in the market is to have sub 3" drivers in a size no larger than 1 bookshelf. WTF?

Yeah sure you can get some good quality sound out of these things, and they'll fit nicely in your handbag, but in my opinion they arn't quite big enough for... well anything.  

 

Surely you could get a cheap car stereo setup into the size something similar to a small floodstanding or 2 large bookshelf speakers... all 1 unit.

In my case I would go one more (cabnet design dependant) including some decent drivers and a decent DAC/AMP all in 1 kit.

 

If true line out is too expenisve / not enough cost effective, then I would start with the DOC set up.

 

Not sure if anyone would buy such a thing, but I think it would be pretty cool! etysmile.gif

 

 

post #7 of 9

Again, I am highly confused by this. So, you're saying you want an all in one solution of some type of speaker with a dock connector for input that's portable. Battery powered or plugged in? and I do not know how cost effective this project would be in the first place. Cabinets are quite important, not just the driver. If it's not properly done you won't be getting the right sound out of the setup. 

 

And could you describe this, not good for anything comment? I am having a hard time visualizing. I think I know what you're talking about, but feel free to post a link to something or call it by name so I can get a better sense of the goal here. I would love you help and lend some experience I've gained from my own attempts at making things. 
 

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Originally Posted by Von krumm View Post

 

Thanks for your help guys, it is much appreciated.

Basically I wan't a portable iPod dock that doesn't stink.I have had a good look around and cannot find anything that fits the bill. frown.gif

 

No larger than what a female could carry.

Largest drivers possible, without loss of fidelity.

 

I'm not sure why, but the common trend in the market is to have sub 3" drivers in a size no larger than 1 bookshelf. WTF?

Yeah sure you can get some good quality sound out of these things, and they'll fit nicely in your handbag, but in my opinion they arn't quite big enough for... well anything.  

 

Surely you could get a cheap car stereo setup into the size something similar to a small floodstanding or 2 large bookshelf speakers... all 1 unit.

In my case I would go one more (cabnet design dependant) including some decent drivers and a decent DAC/AMP all in 1 kit.

 

If true line out is too expenisve / not enough cost effective, then I would start with the DOC set up.

 

Not sure if anyone would buy such a thing, but I think it would be pretty cool! etysmile.gif

 

 



 

post #8 of 9

Not to discourage you but dude, how good is your EE knowledge? How good is your industrial design knowledge? As a hobby you really need to spend a lot of time, energy, and money for trial and error.

 

First of all, designing an amplifier that can properly drive an 8 ohm speaker is already really difficult. And you want it to be small/portable enough to carry without the lost of fidelity? Forget about it.

I'm an EE and I still find tweaking a ready made amp is already difficult.. Designing an amp from scratch including shielding, proper pcb design and signal integrity without a proper knowledge and experience? Not in this lifetime.


Edited by Jazzyfi - 2/16/12 at 1:20am
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Thread Starter 

Bit harsh but yeah ok thanks for the advice. Both post's describe why and what I wan't to do.

Perhaps you should re-read my post's before you miss interpret and flame.

 

What kind of cabinet desing goes into car stereos, my guess is not much.

 

I don't think I need to be an expert at EE or desing to make this. Just wan't to know if I should bother with the krix + line out or go the car stereo + RCA route.

 

It would look like a box with 4 speakers. What more can I say. 

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