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Alien Ears vs 1964 Ears

post #1 of 14
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Hi all, what an awesome forum this is. So much knowledge around. 

Anyway, I'm in the market for some custom iems and have been researching all over the Internet. My budget has rounded it down to Alien Ears and 1964 Ears. Being that I've never used custom iems before, I'm not sure whether I want triples or quads. I'll be using them for live monitoring, I'm a drummer in a band. I quite often lock in with the rhythm guitarist so I'm not after something that is all bass. Will quads really make a difference? I do listen to alot of music on my iPhone aswell and love quality sound (spent many years working in car audio building sq and spl systems). 

So which brand is better? I have read alot about poor customer service at AE and being that I live in Australia, if I have an issue with fit or something, I need to be able to sort it ASAP as postage times and costs will slow the process down heaps. If the customer service at 1964 is only slightly better but their iems are alot worse sq then I'll still go alien but, ATM, I'm leaning toward 1964 and a 200 page appreciation thread is leaning me that way even more

 

I do apologise if this has already been addressed, I tried searching but found no exact answer. 

post #2 of 14
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Originally Posted by Zeusy82 View Post

Hi all, what an awesome forum this is. So much knowledge around. 

Anyway, I'm in the market for some custom iems and have been researching all over the Internet. My budget has rounded it down to Alien Ears and 1964 Ears. Being that I've never used custom iems before, I'm not sure whether I want triples or quads. I'll be using them for live monitoring, I'm a drummer in a band. I quite often lock in with the rhythm guitarist so I'm not after something that is all bass. Will quads really make a difference? I do listen to alot of music on my iPhone aswell and love quality sound (spent many years working in car audio building sq and spl systems). 

So which brand is better? I have read alot about poor customer service at AE and being that I live in Australia, if I have an issue with fit or something, I need to be able to sort it ASAP as postage times and costs will slow the process down heaps. If the customer service at 1964 is only slightly better but their iems are alot worse sq then I'll still go alien but, ATM, I'm leaning toward 1964 and a 200 page appreciation thread is leaning me that way even more

 

I do apologise if this has already been addressed, I tried searching but found no exact answer. 




1964 Ears is the choice, hands down. They make customs that are well regarded on head-fi and they have excellent customer service. Don't discount the customer service, either, it's huge with custom iems. Avoid companies that let people down with terrible customer service as they make unreliable products as well.

 

That's your exact answer.

 

As for what to go with, email 1964, they will get back to you soon and steer you the right way.

post #3 of 14

Definitely 1964 Ears. If I hadn't of gone the path of reshelling a pair of TF10s, I would have gotten the 1964-T's. However, the cost is substantially higher than what is stated on their site due to shipping and impressions (and I swear, impressions are so expensive in Sydney, Australia) but I presume you already knew that. From what I've heard, the 1964-Q just has more bass.

post #4 of 14

I will definitely disagree, 100%. Today i called both companies and Alien Ears gave incredible customer service. Each question was answered and he also connected with me on a personal level. I decided to call 1964 ears after just to see what they could offer. The man could finish an answer without saying "uhm" 4 to 5 times. He didn't try to make a sale, there was no effort or help. He was very short and when i said I'll be looking around some more he didn't try to persuade me to go with his company. I'm sorry, but when it comes to service? Alien Ears definitely has them beat. As well as price wise.    

post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by iplaydrums View Post
 

I will definitely disagree, 100%. Today i called both companies and Alien Ears gave incredible customer service. Each question was answered and he also connected with me on a personal level. I decided to call 1964 ears after just to see what they could offer. The man could finish an answer without saying "uhm" 4 to 5 times. He didn't try to make a sale, there was no effort or help. He was very short and when i said I'll be looking around some more he didn't try to persuade me to go with his company. I'm sorry, but when it comes to service? Alien Ears definitely has them beat. As well as price wise.    

 

So he didn't try to force his product down your throat = bad customer service? I don't get it. It sounded to me as if he respected you as potential customer seeking information instead of just trying to make a sale. I've even heard stories of 1964 EARS telling customers that some of their earphones were not for the person after buyer described the sound signature he or she was looking for. Actually, they did that for me too. Why sell a person anything if you know off the back he won't be happy with your product? 1964 EARS is a great company to do business with. 

post #6 of 14

This is how the top two models of the Alien Ears lineup, the G12 and the G16, measure:

 

 

If you're questioning the measurement methodology, it really doesn't matter how they're measured; these graphs were not made with standard equipment, but actually quite reliable, as the source has made many measurements of customs before, and none have measured so terribly. These are bar none the worst-looking sets of measurements I've ever seen ---- nasty channel imbalance, massive notches everywhere, pointing to really clueless crossover design and poor QC --- these are way worse than any Heir Audio or EarSonics notch around!

 

And don't tell me that they're tuned "for the stage" and stage requirements are different. These are just flat out horrible.

 

Comparatively, this is how the 4.A looks like on the same measurement rig:

 

 

It exhibits the 3.8 kHz notch that has been well-documented on head-fi, but seriously, look at the G12 and G16!!!!! It's one thing to drop out the upper midrange to lessen vocal harmonics and warm up vocals like the 4.A does, it's another thing to basically take out the entire midrange!

 

I don't usually like to put companies on blast like this, but Alien Ears is terrible. Their inconsistent and lackadaisical customer service has been well-documented in years past, by many well-regarded members of the forum; these measurements show that their flagship monitors are possibly some of the most horribly-performing monitors around --- there's no way around that statement. You might as well use Apple earbuds.

 

And for good measure, here's how the ER4S (stock and reshelled) measure on the same rig:

 

 

I rest my case.

 

(All measurements were taken from the blog of very prominent and prolific Japanese reviewer 84, aka 90percentPA)


Edited by tomscy2000 - 10/18/13 at 11:01am
post #7 of 14

OP - you're in Aussie??

 

Have you looked in to "Unique Melody" as an option?? http://www.uniquemelody.co

post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by iplaydrums View Post
 

I will definitely disagree, 100%. Today i called both companies and Alien Ears gave incredible customer service. Each question was answered and he also connected with me on a personal level. I decided to call 1964 ears after just to see what they could offer. The man could finish an answer without saying "uhm" 4 to 5 times. He didn't try to make a sale, there was no effort or help. He was very short and when i said I'll be looking around some more he didn't try to persuade me to go with his company. I'm sorry, but when it comes to service? Alien Ears definitely has them beat. As well as price wise.    


1 post.  Every time Alien Ears is brought up in a thread a new defender or two springs up to explain how great they are.  Invariably these are people who have never (or barely) posted before.

post #9 of 14
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Originally Posted by JackRabbitSlims View Post
 

OP - you're in Aussie??

 

Have you looked in to "Unique Melody" as an option?? http://www.uniquemelody.co


Do not do this.  UM Global will be happy to answer your questions and take your money.  Once they've done that expect ZERO/CERO/NADA/NONE customer service.  They won't update the status of your order, they have no idea what's going on in the China labs and you'll wait an enormous, unreasonable amount of time for your monitors to arrive.  Then if you need a refit, good luck!

 

Never underestimate the value of customer service when it comes to CIEMs.  Lesson learned, I won't be using UM again.

post #10 of 14

^^^ WOW!! pretty harsh comments there - you must have had a terrible experience:(

 

I just saw the OP was from OZ, so suggested UM...I have Zero customer service experience with them.

 

I got my impressions done and bought my UERM's through the Rep here in NZ and had a fantastic experience all round.

 

OP - apologies for pushing you in the wrong direction. Good luck with the search ;) 

post #11 of 14
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1 post.  Every time Alien Ears is brought up in a thread a new defender or two springs up to explain how great they are.  Invariably these are people who have never (or barely) posted before.

It's probably someone from alien ears.
post #12 of 14

more than likely...yes!

post #13 of 14

I was thinking about alien ears as an option over 1964 but that makes me want to reconsider... Anyone who have honestly tried both the G12 and the V6 Stage give an opinion?

post #14 of 14

Hi

 

I posted an earlier review/opinion on this forum about Alien Ears and it got deleted.  Well, I have in no way been a promoter or representative of Alien Ears.  This is a America, before deleting a post I would suggest you ask you new member if he is a Alien Ear paid promoter and yes I read your lawyer in raged Terms and Service crap.  Alien Ears got some bad reviews and my experience was great.  All I wanted to do was post a deserving recommendation concerning their product.  

 

I ordered mine and like them, I don't take the product to an Oscilloscope and measure them for some sort of Godly like hearing power to make a display of 'look at want I dun.'  I only want a product that will give me what I want, a good price, the hearing experience for a musician, and something that will work for a few years, at least.  

 

These Head-Fi guys are full of themselves.  They themselves are probably paid and owned by other IEMs manufactures.

 

If you would like to see my last post that Head-Fi deleted message me, because the commies are monitoring freedom of speech.  

 

Oh, yea, this will probably get deleted also.

 

I'm an ex-Vet, so delete that.  Oh, and if you want to see my credentials email me here in Texas.  I'll tell you all about my tour and  DD-214 with Honorable Discharge. 

 

I waisted to much of my time on this forum already, sad.

 

Hope everything goes your way today

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