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Closed can upgrade to Shure 840s?

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I’m looking for a new set of closed headphones in the $300 price range. Here’s what I’m looking for:

 

  • Closed set (will be used exclusively at work)
  • I listen almost exclusively to jazz
  • I have the Sennheiser HD 600s at home and love them
  • Detail retrieval, soundstage, mids & highs are my main concern

 

 

 

My new HPs will be run from a Audinst Hud-mx1 AMP/DAC. Right now, I’m considering the following, but I’m also open to suggestions:

 

  • FA-003 – will these be an upgrade or just a lateral move of the Shure 840s?

 

  • FA-002w – they make a zebra wood which they recommend for jazz, but they’re $360. Do they really rival other $350+ HPs?

 

  • Beyerdynamic DT 770 – haven’t looked into their sound signature so I’m not sure if they are geared towards jazz.

 

  • ATH-A900 – again, not sure if this is an upgrade from the Shures or more of a parallel move?

 

One thing I noticed about the Shures – and something I’m trying to resolve with my new cans – when there is fast trumpet playing, it can’t seem to keep up with the highs and the trumpet sounds steely and becomes unrefined/bloated. Anyway, I’d appreciate any comments or suggestions. Thanks in advance!!!

post #2 of 9

Have you considered the SRH940? They're sound like a good choice for your needs. They have detail up the wazoo, and their emphasis are in the mids and upper mids/treble.

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Originally Posted by idletime1213 View Post

Have you considered the SRH940? They're sound like a good choice for your needs. They have detail up the wazoo, and their emphasis are in the mids and upper mids/treble.


Yes, I spent quite a bit of time this past weekend looking at the SRH940s. I can't remember exactly what it was, but after doing some research I crossed them off my list.
 

 

post #4 of 9

Heya,

 

Your new headphone.

 

Very best,

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Originally Posted by MalVeauX View Post

Heya,

 

Your new headphone.

 

Very best,


Thanks Mal!!! I was actually hoping you'd respond - I read a ton of your reviews and comments on other threads as I've been looking for this new set and was hoping to get your recommendation.

 

I'm going to do some research on these. Appreciate your thoughts!
 

 

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Originally Posted by mrpink44 View Post


Thanks Mal!!! I was actually hoping you'd respond - I read a ton of your reviews and comments on other threads as I've been looking for this new set and was hoping to get your recommendation.

 

I'm going to do some research on these. Appreciate your thoughts!
 

 

 

Unfortunately there's not a lot of information on the A900X out there, because it's so limited in retailers. But it's an excellent headphone, and if more widely available, would be one of the big talks of the town so to speak in the $250~300 tier of headphones. Highly recommend it.

 

Failing that, the DT770 and FA-003 are not large upgrades over the SRH840. The SRH840 is a very good headphone and getting a large gain from it isn't going to happen. Even a true high-end isn't that much better. Increases past a certain point just plateau hard and fast. What you can get gains on that are more noticeable will be comfort, sound stage, isolation, differences in bass, airiness, resolution, style, accessories, etc. The DT770 is going to probably seem a little bassier, and brighter, right away. More of a "V" than the SR840. I would call it more comfortable, and it will isolate very well. They're great for Jazz though, but not perfect, especially if you're into female vocals. The mids are a tad recessed, which is why I say that (since it's a "V"). The FA-003 is a near neutral headphone, very much what you're probably after, but it's capable of everything, has a great sound stage, very isolating, very comfortable, detachable cords, etc. I think the FA-003 is one of the better headphones in the $150 tier. It competes directly, as far as I'm concerned, with $300 tier headphones. It's hard to find excellent closed back headphones. The FA-003's are one. If you cannot get one from Russia, the Brainwavz HM5 or Lindy clones are just as good, just different brand/logo/look to them. Otherwise, the same. Definitely would go this route and I would call it a mild upgrade from the SRH840. They are big headphones though, just be warned, they don't have a small profile like the SRH840. The FA-002W would be pretty much the same thing, but make it a touch warmer, and add a bunch more to the price tag for the wood (cheapest is the light beech at $207 I think). If you want wood, go FA-002W. If it doesn't matter, just stick to FA-003. Fischers are pretty detailed, you'll find unforgiving even. The A900 will give you a bigger sound stage, but probably seem lighter on bass to you from SRH840. It's not really a big upgrade, but it would probably provide a nicer effect for jazz when it comes to mids/treble with the sound stage. The A900X would be better even still, simply because you also get the low end in the A900X (it has good bass, which is weird, for the Art series; one of the reasons I recommend it, since it's a complete headphone). AT's are great for vocals.

 

Listening to Black Coffee by Louise Rogers right now on the FA-003's. You can hear the moisture on her lips and the click of her tongue. Sound stage is like sitting at a table in front of the stage. Not in her face, not in the back. Just right. Treble is a bit on the bright side, so I would almost suggest a slightly warmer headphone with a more airy treble, hence the A900X.

 

Very best,


Edited by MalVeauX - 2/14/12 at 7:45am
post #7 of 9
Thread Starter 

Mal - thanks for the detailed info! You kind of confirmed what I expected….at least with the DT770 & FA-003 – not a large upgrade over the 840s. I may at some point give the FA-003 a try, but right now I’m going with your A900X recommendation – Amazon has them for around $250 right now. I think I’ll go this route and if I don’t like them, then maybe look at the FA-003 or the FA-002W.

 

BTW - I love the details you are hearing in the Louise Rogers recording!! That’s the kind of clarity and detail I’m looking for. Thanks again…once I get them and can spend a little time with ‘em, I’ll post my thoughts and maybe A/B them with the Shure 840s.

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I listen to a ton of jazz at home on my HD-600s, and my closed can of choice is the SRH-940.  It's brighter, more detailed, and more agile in capturing the sort of trumpet nuances and such that you're describing.  My only real problem with it is that it's bass-light, but that can be fixed with a little bit of EQing.  I also love my DT-770s, but jazz isn't really my first thought with them, they're really bassy and better with hip-hop, trip-hop, alternative metal, that sort of thing.  I've heard a lot of good things about the A900X, FA-003, and K550 as well.

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Hey LithoJaz - thanks for the feedback as I know our jazz interests are the same. After doing a lot of reading/research, I decided not to go with the Shure 940s. They were originally on my short list and I can't remember the exact reason I decided to pass on them, but I eventually decided there were better options at that price point. That being said.....I'm sure this continuing addiciton to headphones and sound quality will eventually have me owning the Shure 940s (along with a host of other cans).

 

I ended up going with the A900X - after redeeming some reward points, I got them shipped for $210. According to the tracking, they are out for delivery right now so I should have them at the door when I get home tonight. I'll post my comments and impressions as I get some time on them - maybe doing some comparisions to the Shure 840s.

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