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post #16 of 31
2/14/12 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by Kernmac View Post

And the for sale thread?

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595896/mint-he-6

 

You are just one honest guy.  Remind me not to buy or sell to you.



I did say in the thread I wouldn't sell them unless I got the notice to, I'd prefer to move these as soon as possible if I can so I can finally get the ones I can use, at the minute I'm once again stuck with my £10 headset.

To the thread though, I tried them with my FiiO E10 and all I got was a lot of clipping which is a shame, it would of been nice to experience a flagship even if I wasn't getting the full experience.


Edited by eltocliousus - 2/14/12 at 1:22pm
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post #17 of 31
2/14/12 at 1:42pm

I am reminded of when I bought my DAC1 USB, several months ago. I ordered a used DAC1 original off of an ebay store for a price appropriate for a used, standard DAC1.  

  

I luckily received a brand-new-in-the-box DAC1 USB, an object of considerably higher value than what I paid.  

  

Immediately after making an excited post about it on one of the sites I frequent, I sent the seller an email explaining the mix up and offered to send it back to them.  

  

All's well: I still have the fortunate DAC1 USB in my possession and I have the seller's blessing, too.  

  

Whether or not you contact your seller about this says something about your character, so do what you think is right here. EDIT: looks like you already sent them an email or something, so I guess this advice is a bit late. Sorry.  

  

Edit again: goodness, I just saw your thread from earlier in the normal headphone subforum. What a mess, this whole thing is strange! (and you are strange, too!)


Edited by Timestretch - 2/14/12 at 2:58pm
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post #18 of 31
2/14/12 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by Timestretch View Post

I am reminded of when I bought my DAC1 USB, several months ago. I ordered a used DAC1 original off of an ebay store for a price appropriate for a used, standard DAC1.  

  

I luckily received a brand-new-in-the-box DAC1 USB, an object of considerably higher value than what I paid.  

  

Immediately after making an excited post about it on one of the sites I frequent, I sent the seller an email explaining the mix up and offered to send it back to them.  

  

All's well: I still have the fortunate DAC1 USB in my possession and I have the seller's blessing, too.  

  

Whether or not you contact your seller about this says something about your character, so do what you think is right here. EDIT: looks like you already sent them an email or something, so I guess this advice is a bit late. Sorry.


 

I appreciate the post though, it was a sad moment when I realized I couldn't hear them before they leave.

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post #19 of 31
2/14/12 at 2:55pm

Let us know what happens when Hifiman contacts you. 

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post #20 of 31
2/14/12 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by eltocliousus View Post

Just got some HE-6s, I'll be honest all I have in terms of an amp is a FiiO E10, will the E10 atleast deliver a little of what the HE-6s give or am I being silly?

Thanks!



No, you're just being silly. Not EVEN close for the HE-6s.

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post #21 of 31
2/14/12 at 6:41pm

According to Tyll's measurements of the HE-6 and a certain unnameable blog's measurements of the E10, you'll get about 1.6 Vrms from the E10, enough for 94 dB peaks. Not near enough to be driven to loud volumes, but if you listen quiet it might be enough for you with most music.

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post #22 of 31
2/14/12 at 7:54pm

Cheap option: get a speaker-6.3mm cable and try it out on integrated amps, if you have any. 

 

Dedicated amp option : try leben 300/xs. Gives pretty good sounds, but costs a fortune compared to e10s. 

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post #23 of 31
2/16/12 at 8:24am
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If the FiiO E10 is letting me play them at high enough volume would I need to get any better? I can safely assume that a more expensive amp will make it sound better, but how much better?

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post #24 of 31
2/16/12 at 8:37am
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No, you're just being silly. Not EVEN close for the HE-6s.


 

+1

 

 

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post #25 of 31
2/16/12 at 8:39am
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+1

 

 


 

Can you have a jab at the post above? Obviously the FiiO E10 is no where near enough for the HE-6 but how much "fidelity" am I losing from not having one of these power house amps?

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post #26 of 31
2/16/12 at 8:45am

You're losing a ton. Even if the volume does get right, you'e getting all kinds of distortion as your amp clips on things. However, as soon as you start putting out around 2w, I would suppose that the power needs are basically satisfied and any improvements are going to be more subtle after that. Much below that power, though, and things will be weird. This is just my experience with a few different amps at a meet, plus my own DAC1 and a Lyr.  

  

Thing is, out of every current generation top headphone out right now, the HE-6 is unique in its unusually high power requirements. It really does need a lot. You have to view it as an "ear-speaker" more than headphones.


Edited by Timestretch - 2/16/12 at 8:47am
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post #27 of 31
2/16/12 at 8:58am
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You're losing a ton. Even if the volume does get right, you'e getting all kinds of distortion as your amp clips on things. However, as soon as you start putting out around 2w, I would suppose that the power needs are basically satisfied and any improvements are going to be more subtle after that. Much below that power, though, and things will be weird. This is just my experience with a few different amps at a meet, plus my own DAC1 and a Lyr.  

  

Thing is, out of every current generation top headphone out right now, the HE-6 is unique in its unusually high power requirements. It really does need a lot. You have to view it as an "ear-speaker" more than headphones.


I see what you're getting at, I haven't heard any clipping yet since I switched to high gain but I'm definitely not an experienced listener, I think letting them go and getting some HE-300s/HE-400s would probably be better off and would satisfy me, I doubt the 300s/400s would compete with the HE-6s even with the FiiO but there's not much point in me hanging on to something that I can't fully use.

 

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post #28 of 31
2/16/12 at 9:07am

the fiio e10 doesn't have anywhere near the amount of power needed for the he-6. the he-300/he-400 will sound noticeably better than the severely underpowered he-6. you'd be surprised to see the difference. the 300/400 will sound alot better. 

 

for example, if i tried to listen to dt 990/600 ohm out of an ipod or akg k701, they sound lifeless flat and weak. in your case, you would be turning the he-6 into a pair of 100 dollar headphones basically.

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post #29 of 31
2/16/12 at 9:08am
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

the fiio e10 doesn't have anywhere near the amount of power needed for the he-6. the he-300/he-400 will sound noticeably better than the severely underpowered he-6. you'd be surprised to see the difference. the 300/400 will sound alot better. 

 

for example, if i tried to listen to dt 990/600 ohm out of an ipod or akg k701, they sound lifeless flat and weak. in your case, you would be turning the he-6 into a pair of 100 dollar headphones basically.


 

A few are recommending http://www.jdslabs.com/item.php?fetchitem=O2Asmb

Would this be enough to power the HE-6s to a considerable amount?

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post #30 of 31
2/16/12 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by eltocliousus View Post


 

A few are recommending http://www.jdslabs.com/item.php?fetchitem=O2Asmb

Would this be enough to power the HE-6s to a considerable amount?

 

 

 

 

from

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/592977/objective-2-vs-matrix-m-stage/30

 

 

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Originally Posted by MikeW View Post

Like I said, I think the M-stage probably compares well to the O2. It's the Mini3 comment that really bugged me. 

 

I suppose, i can admit, that with the right pair of headphones, someone might prefer the sound of a mini3. but it runs into limitations pretty quick, and is not nearly as capable as the o2. I don't think it's even half as powerful, by the numbers. (to be fair, it's also half the size, and I do still use mine for mobile use)

 

As far as he EF5 is concerned, it is indeed a coloured, romantic amp. It's also incredibly lacking in detail, blackness, and dynamics in direct comparison to the O2. This is with the best tubes and op-amps. (Tung-Sol, black Gla$$, and LME94440) I can hear things on the O2 that are simply not there on EF5. 

 

As far as drive.. according to NwAvGuy, the HE6 is at the "edge" of O2's capability. ie, it's quite capable. 

 

 

 

 

other people have said that it won't have enough power. personally IMO, you should either buy a Lyr or try and find a vintage receiver or just get a speaker amp for the HE-6. the o2 would just be a waste of money
 

 

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