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Does it have to be sealed? I ask because the TakeT H2+ has a similar level of detail, clarity, and balance as the Omega II with the exception of a tremendous bass presence. Its bass is the closest I've heard come to fullsized speakers in a headphone. I also find it outclasses the Omega II in terms of its sense of presence. I've never heard another headphone render music with quite so much a sense of physicality.

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Does it have to be sealed? I ask because the TakeT H2+ has a similar level of detail, clarity, and balance as the Omega II with the exception of a tremendous bass presence. Its bass is the closest I've heard come to fullsized speakers in a headphone. I also find it outclasses the Omega II in terms of its sense of presence. I've never heard another headphone render music with quite so much a sense of physicality.


Yeah.. that's what writes off the LCD-2 and HE-500 as possible choices. I'm also looking for something that's at least somewhat portable that I can drive from my HM-801, so definitely no H2+ on that front, and no HE-6 either.

 

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I'm looking for a headphone that's basically the opposite of what the O2 is (sealed, best suited with high-energy, more bass intensive music), but still has the overall balance and lack of coloration that I love so much about the O2. So far I've come up short, but I think the Thunderpants or LA7000 may be prime candidates. Or potentially this Fostex depending on what the folks here have to say.

That will probably be the three best canditates, but for now it's just all guesswork.

Lack of coloration makes me think of the K701, but that one is open as well. Wasn't my cup of tea either, I know I love a colored midrange with a bit of warmth, I have that preference with speakers and amps as well. Not too exaggerated though of course.

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Audio-Technicas for me have far too much coloration in one area or another for me to really enjoy, although admittedly I haven't heard the most prized versions like the W11R or the L3000.


Have you heard the A2000X?

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Yeah.. that's what writes off the LCD-2 and HE-500 as possible choices. I'm also looking for something that's at least somewhat portable that I can drive from my HM-801, so definitely no H2+ on that front, and no HE-6 either.


The T5p pairs nicely with OPA627 type 'analog' sound so I'd imagine pairs nicely with HM-801.

 

Hopefully the Fostex sounds better still, quite a fashion statement in portable use however.

 

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The problem is, he's looking for something sealed that is closer to neutral but still has bass emphasis. The Ultrasone Signature Pro fits this descriptor in my opinion. Both it and the Edition 8 seal/isolate better than just about any other closed headphone in their class, and unlike the Edition 8 it's less bright up top. It comes the closest to being neutral of any of Ultrasone's previous efforts, but it still has a definite bass emphasis without being a bass monster like the Edition 9.

 

Denons aren't really sealed. They leak like crazy. Not so sure about the JVC Victor DX1000, though the DX700 will probably be closer to neutral.

 

A much less expensive alternative to consider is the oft-overlooked Kenwood KH-K1000. It is a very balanced sounding headphone from what I understand.

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DX 1000 isolate quite a bit better then the markl D5000. I had both hard to teste with my OC computer with it´s 120 mm fans whining to full effect.

 

Not saying the isolation on the DX 1000 is any good though but you can at least notice that it does mute external sounds some.

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The problem is, he's looking for something sealed that is closer to neutral but still has bass emphasis. The Ultrasone Signature Pro fits this descriptor in my opinion. Both it and the Edition 8 seal/isolate better than just about any other closed headphone in their class, and unlike the Edition 8 it's less bright up top. It comes the closest to being neutral of any of Ultrasone's previous efforts, but it still has a definite bass emphasis without being a bass monster like the Edition 9.

 

Denons aren't really sealed. They leak like crazy. Not so sure about the JVC Victor DX1000, though the DX700 will probably be closer to neutral.

 

A much less expensive alternative to consider is the oft-overlooked Kenwood KH-K1000. It is a very balanced sounding headphone from what I understand.

Just a word of caution in regards of comfort. It looks to me that those Signature Pro are the same design as the Edition 9 and even that IMO the Edition 9 are the best sounding Ultrasone they are not comfortable at all (I don't have big head or ears) to the point that I sold them for that reason.
What about the T70? I have a pair with the Zeus cable and I really like them.
post #83 of 8218
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I've always found the pads on the DX1000 to be a bit awkward. They just don't sit right against my face, despite my attempts to readjust them. The D7000 is far more comfortable for me, but they do leak so much they're really not a good choice for those who need isolation. I'm wondering how the TH900 will compare in this regard, sharing much of the Denon's OEM design. Still have yet to hear the T5p; Kiteki would know whether those leaked or isolated well though. The Kenwood KH-K1000 supposedly isolates so-so. Not the best, but not as bad as the Denons.

 

My recommendations as far as SQ and isolation go are the Thunderpants or the Signature Pro.

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The A2kX is on the lesser side of bass, shining more light on the higher spectrum, however still having nice resonance and impact in the bass as far as quality is concerned.

 

The T5p has more bass than SA5k and A2kx but it's not doof doof doof doof.

 

The A2kx isn't really portable since it'll fly off in the wind like a light-fitting hat.

 

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Just a word of caution in regards of comfort. It looks to me that those Signature Pro are the same design as the Edition 9 and even that IMO the Edition 9 are the best sounding Ultrasone they are not comfortable at all (I don't have big head or ears) to the point that I sold them for that reason.
What about the T70? I have a pair with the Zeus cable and I really like them.


I have both the Edition 9 and Signature Pro, and to me the Signature Pro is more comfortable. The clamping force is less problematic and the headband is vastly improved. The Edition 8 is actually the worst offender IMO because the earpads are oddly shaped and the Y split isn't low enough.

 

Comfort is always a very user dependent matter though.

 

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That will probably be the three best canditates, but for now it's just all guesswork.

Lack of coloration makes me think of the K701, but that one is open as well. Wasn't my cup of tea either, I know I love a colored midrange with a bit of warmth, I have that preference with speakers and amps as well. Not too exaggerated though of course.


Lack of coloration is one thing, but the K701 basically has no bass response at all. Compared to it, the Omega 2 sounds like a subwoofer. I should stress that I'm not looking for an Audio-Technica ES10 like sound here, those had great bass but there was so much of it that it completely rolled over the mids and they sounded about as clear as a Louisiana swamp. I'm looking for something more along the lines of the stock Denon D5000, just without the recessed mids and the grain in the highs. I really don't like "U" response headphones. I'm looking for more of a "D" - strong but not over powering bass that's in line with a balanced and full midrange, and highs that are a bit warm and perhaps a bit rolled off. I quickly tire of the typical dynamic headphone treble spike that's supposed to stand in for detail - which is why Beyer is usually out.

 

I haven't been impressed by Ultrasones I've heard in the past, but admittedly I haven't heard the Edition 8 or the new Signature Pro. I just don't really get the feeling that either is worth the money. Standard Ultrasones I think range from mediocre to awful. Comfort is more important to me than isolation. As long as there's at least a bit of it, that's good enough. I have my Denon NC-800 for when I really need isolation. I'll look into the Kenwood, thanks for the suggestion MF.


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Lack of coloration is one thing, but the K701 basically has no bass response at all. Compared to it, the Omega 2 sounds like a subwoofer. I should stress that I'm not looking for an Audio-Technica ES10 like sound here, those had great bass but there was so much of it that it completely rolled over the mids and they sounded about as clear as a Louisiana swamp. I'm looking for something more along the lines of the stock Denon D5000, just without the recessed mids and the grain in the highs. I really don't like "U" response headphones. I'm looking for more of a "D" - strong but not over powering bass that's in line with a balanced and full midrange, and highs that are a bit warm and perhaps a bit rolled off. I quickly tire of the typical dynamic headphone treble spike that's supposed to stand in for detail - which is why Beyer is usually out.

 

I haven't been impressed by Ultrasones I've heard in the past, but admittedly I haven't heard the Edition 8 or the new Signature Pro. I just don't really get the feeling that either is worth the money. Standard Ultrasones I think range from mediocre to awful. Comfort is more important to me than isolation. As long as there's at least a bit of it, that's good enough. I have my Denon NC-800 for when I really need isolation. I'll look into the Kenwood, thanks for the suggestion MF.


The T5p isn't u, v, n, r or ^ sound.  It also isn't a portable T1 in any sense, just fyi.

 

In any case I'd say it's closest to "r" sound.

 

 

post #88 of 8218
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I haven't been impressed by Ultrasones I've heard in the past, but admittedly I haven't heard the Edition 8 or the new Signature Pro. I just don't really get the feeling that either is worth the money. Standard Ultrasones I think range from mediocre to awful. Comfort is more important to me than isolation. As long as there's at least a bit of it, that's good enough. I have my Denon NC-800 for when I really need isolation. I'll look into the Kenwood, thanks for the suggestion MF.


I can see where you're coming from with regard to Ultrasone, but if you get a chance to listen to the Signature Pro, I'd recommend trying it. I think it's the company's best effort so far and much better than any of the standard PRO or HFI models. I think they've actually listened to criticisms for once.

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I can see where you're coming from with regard to Ultrasone, but if you get a chance to listen to the Signature Pro, I'd recommend trying it. I think it's the company's best effort so far and much better than any of the standard PRO or HFI models. I think they've actually listened to criticisms for once.


I'll keep that in mind. After reading some of Skylab's comparisons of the JVC to the Denons and Kenwood, it seems it may be more suited to my purposes than I originally thought. I had always assumed that the DX1000 was really not a bass heavy or rock/metal suited headphone at all, I thought it was more airy and midrangey and better suited to jazz and classical. Do you have any thoughts on that MF?

 

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Listened to the T5p at RMAF, it was the only high end Beyer I liked at all. I haven't heard a lot of closed headphones, granted, but I could get by with the T5p just fine if I had to have closed.
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