I appreciate all the opinions here. One last question before calling the dealer tomorrow, how are TH900s in terms of ear fatigue? Is there piercing, harsh treble? That's what I really dislike, and it seems D7000s have that.
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Depends on listener, depends on music (genre, quality, etc), depends on source/amping. Some people find it perfect and sparkly up top. Some people who thought the D7000s were too bright seem to think the TH900 is much better controlled (and I'd agree with them based on the experience with my old D7000). Some people find it a tad lit-up and prefer pairing it with a darker sounding amp* (or possibly a tube amp that softens the treble) and/or a DAC** with a smoother signature.
* I use a Violectric V200. Dark, bassy. Treble is attenuated but not shelved, meaning you still get the detail, just without the sibilance.
** No ESS Sabre, please. Okay, I'm sure the uber high-end rack-2-rack Sabre implementations are great, but anything I've tried in the $500 - $2000 range was just strident, plasticky and just plain weird. I wouldn't even use them with my old near-field monitoring speaker rig for production , since I'd probably die from tetanus the moment high-hats/cymbals came on.
Purely my own opinion. I'm sure others (like the Mytek CEO) would disagree. I just call it as I hear it.
Edited by kurochin - 6/29/14 at 10:04am
That was one of reason I sold my d7000. Bit hash trebles.
With th900 you don't have to worry about it.
Thanks for all the replies. My hi-fi headphones journey started with Japanese headphones, the cheap but good Audio Technica AD700s. They were bright and laid-back, never harsh. Let's see how the Japanese flagship sounds.
Personally I really dislike dacs with Sabre chips and would never buy one. Even a GBP 3500 Sabre based dac sounded digital and artificial to my ears. Burr Browns are good off-shelf chips, also AKM are good. However Chord's approach is better, custom chips designed by Chord themselves (also some other dacs, such as PS Audio Directstream and Meridian loudspeakers have custom chips).
It's all up to the individual person's anatomy. I have never heard harsh highs with the D7000, TH900 or for that matter the "nails on chalkboard (as some call it)" Ultrasone Pro900. Actually think they all have wonderful treble. I'm 52 and can hear up to 16.5K based on audiological testing I go through at work annually.
Same here. Have D2000, D7000 and TH900. None seem harsh or etched. It probably has more to do with source material and downstream equipment. Each can has more refinement as you go up the chain. To each his own on SQ preference. I LOVE the TH900s but that's my personal taste.
I'm personally not sure what "ear fatigue" means. I can listen to my D7000's for hours on end with no pain (from pads or headband) nor "mental fatigue" (which I think is what you mean) as they are not harsh or over the top on the bass.
Is that what you mean? Sorry if I got it wrong.
Same goes for any Denon/Fostex can I've tried, and I've owned or auditioned them all.
I find the TH900's very comfortable. I have a friend who's trying to find cans that have a similar sound signature and comfortable but at a lower price point than the TH900's. He's been through about 3 - 4 other brands and keeps coming back saying the TH900's are more comfortable. I listen with them for hours at a time without fatigue. They're not the type of can you can use while dancing around the room, as they are somewhat loose fitting, but for sitting down in a comfortable chair to just listen, are just about perfect. Other may disagree.
Edited by germay0653 - 6/29/14 at 3:41pm
They're pretty good, except on particularly poor or treble emphasized recordings. They're not as smooth in the treble as the HD650s, but I'm not sure much is. On decent recordings they are fine for listening sessions of several hours/albums. NB, I'm very sensitive to treble, I can't listen to bright sounding systems.
I also find the TH900s to be very comfortable. I find them more comfortable than the HD650s, and both are much better than my Stax Lambdas which tend to pinch my ears. I can wear the HD650s for probably 60-90 minutes at a time.
NB, my ears are not small for my size, and I'm over 6 ft, so... my experiences with comfort are probably not typical.
I never founf the treble on the D7000s to be harsh or causing pain....that goes to the HD800. I found the treble outright annoying, especially hi hats...which occurs 4 beats to the bar for the whole song....assaulted by an annoyingly wrong sounding hi hat....and sibilance that also annoys me to no end....but never physical pain, I can listen to the D7000s without pain but with a huge annoyance constantly. The HD800 had much better sibilance control and a truer hi hat...but the treble in that can just kills me. Painful is the only word I can think of.
Actually I found the mids the weakest link on the D7000s. Sure the treble was a bit too much and the bass a bit too bloated...but I ended up selling them twice mainly for the mids (or lack thereof ).
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