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post #6151 of 8042
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Originally Posted by Llloyd View Post

 

This is what I was trying to say though about the cd player. If you plug ANY amplifier into a crappy source... it doesn't magically make the signal better. That's never going to happen. If you are even considering the th-900, you should seriously consider a dac. Anything you have ever heard about the signature dj, the th900, or any headphone: these people are using DACs and amplifiers, probably good ones. The TH-900 would not have this type of rave reviews if it was being listened to through magni/modi.  Sorry those are not going to cut it for headphones like this. I haven't heard the magni/modi, but I can tell you I owned the more expensive asgard and I would not recommend it to any person for use with any headphone, and I especially would not recommend it to a TH-900 owner. 

 

I'm not trying to sound rude here but seriously, go do some research about digital audio if you want to make an informed purchase. Like if you want to buy these headphones then go ahead I will not stop you it doesn't really matter, but if you want to make an informed purchase, just realize for either headphone to sound even close to its best, you will at the very least need a decent dac that will likely cost 400-500 dollars. And a reasonable amp.  Something like the fiio E17($139) /  WA7 ($999) / ALO Audio Pan Am ($500) / DacMini ($800) would not be a bad place to start since these are combo amp/dacs.

Mmmm... I don't think you need to spend that much money on dac/amps to get good performance. you can get great amp/dac combos less than $300ish like the new M-Stage Matrix or the O2/ODAC. Audio-gd and emotiva also has a really great value for price options.

 

the point is i don't think that spending more money equals getting better sound. you hit an intense point of diminishing returns. for example, you can easily get the stoner acoustic (DIY-company) UD110v2 DAC with the PCM5102A chip for $59 which is the same chip as the $1000 WA7 Firefly. I am obviously not saying that the sound quality is the same or anything, but there are many affordable options out there with great sound without breaking the bank

post #6152 of 8042
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Originally Posted by Llloyd View Post

This is what I was trying to say though about the cd player. If you plug ANY amplifier into a crappy source... it doesn't magically make the signal better. That's never going to happen. If you are even considering the th-900, you should seriously consider a dac. Anything you have ever heard about the signature dj, the th900, or any headphone: these people are using DACs and amplifiers, probably good ones. The TH-900 would not have this type of rave reviews if it was being listened to through magni/modi.  Sorry those are not going to cut it for headphones like this. I haven't heard the magni/modi, but I can tell you I owned the more expensive asgard and I would not recommend it to any person for use with any headphone, and I especially would not recommend it to a TH-900 owner. 

I'm not trying to sound rude here but seriously, go do some research about digital audio if you want to make an informed purchase. Like if you want to buy these headphones then go ahead I will not stop you it doesn't really matter, but if you want to make an informed purchase, just realize for either headphone to sound even close to its best, you will at the very least need a decent dac that will likely cost 400-500 dollars. And a reasonable amp.  Something like the fiio E17($139) /  WA7 ($999) / ALO Audio Pan Am ($500) / DacMini ($800) would not be a bad place to start since these are combo amp/dacs.

All due respect, but I am running an iPhone 4 into a NuForce IDo DAC into a vintage amp and the sound is excellent. I am of the opinion that you do not need a $500 DAC at all. In fact, one of my other vintage setups has a FiiO E-10 DAC feeding it and again, sounds great. If later on he wants to try a more spendy unit, fine, but no need to start off that high. I'm skeptical if any DAC is Noticeably better sounding than a $100 unit, but that's another whole can of worms.
post #6153 of 8042
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Originally Posted by alcstradamus View Post


Which I fully expected, no doubt about that.  But could you provide some specific examples of the difference in sound signature?  Also, understand that I have never had a taste of Hi-Fi greater than the HE400 so any step up from those would by default become the best headphone I have heard.

Actually, the HE400 with better bass impact would be worth $1000 to me but I realize that open headphones just won't cut it.  I want clarity, but I need it balanced with thickness.  That is the reason I am lusting after the TH900 so hard

Sure. The TH900 has as close to an open feel as many open back phones for starters. The DJ is noticeably more closed, which is a benefit if you want that isolation. Also feel the bass out of the TH900 is deeper and more musical. Comfort is another area the TH900 has it over the DJ. I owned a Sig Pro and could not wear them longer than a half hour, and the DJ is basically the same phone.

Not that the DJ is bad, far from it. I think it's the best PORTABLE of this price range but the Fostex has it in a number of ways. First world comparisons..........great vs very good.
post #6154 of 8042
@ alcstradamus - get the headphone you want and worry about the other stuff later. most dynamic cans are easy to drive and the th900 is no exception.
post #6155 of 8042
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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post

All due respect, but I am running an iPhone 4 into a NuForce IDo DAC into a vintage amp and the sound is excellent. I am of the opinion that you do not need a $500 DAC at all. In fact, one of my other vintage setups has a FiiO E-10 DAC feeding it and again, sounds great. If later on he wants to try a more spendy unit, fine, but no need to start off that high. I'm skeptical if any DAC is Noticeably better sounding than a $100 unit, but that's another whole can of worms.

hahaha... I totally agree with this statement. the high-end DAC market seems kinda like a giant scam to me.

 

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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post

Sure. The TH900 has as close to an open feel as many open back phones for starters. The DJ is noticeably more closed, which is a benefit if you want that isolation. Also feel the bass out of the TH900 is deeper and more musical. Comfort is another area the TH900 has it over the DJ. I owned a Sig Pro and could not wear them longer than a half hour, and the DJ is basically the same phone.

Not that the DJ is bad, far from it. I think it's the best PORTABLE of this price range but the Fostex has it in a number of ways. First world comparisons..........great vs very good.

mmm... it's really just a matter of what kind of usage you need. Seems like alcstradamus wants something with more sub-bass than the HE-400. For portable usage, you need to stick with noise isolating, closed headphones, so the top-tier option would be the sig pro. however, the noise isolation does negatively impact the sound stage & whatever. so TH900 with its closed design but noise leakage to create an open sound signature will obviously have the upper hand in that aspect. I think it would be more helpful to talk specifically about the difference between the sub-bass between the two, because that sounds like what he wants to focus on.

post #6156 of 8042

Thanks guys for your help.  The reason I have been trying to talk myself out of the TH900 was strictly the price.  Owning them had become an obsession to me the last few days.  But some of the chatter here got me rethinking my priorities and I realized that it is a poor decision for me to spend $1500+ right now even though I could make it work by selling off some other stuff.

 

Portability was a factor that I hadn't really taken into account, and I think I will appreciate the increased portability of the SigDJ's.  I can always upgrade in the future.  So I am throwing my TH900 dreams out of the window for now and going with the SigDJ.  I'm not sure I truly NEED a top of the line refined sound.  As long as the bass is full and clean and the rest of the frequency spectrum isn't a muddled mess with abnormal peaks I will be satisfied. 

 

Got the SigDJ's for $850 so I saved myself $650 not even including the inevitable amp purchase.  You might see me in this thread again in a year or two though....unless of course something better is released:D

post #6157 of 8042
Hope you Will be happy With sigDJ, nothing wrong in owing th900 and ultrasone ;-)

Im with you guys I also believe that expensive DACs are bollocks, come on it's just a chip that differs. Just another crazy attempt of making an ass out of the customer and making big money!!
post #6158 of 8042

If dac's and amps don't matter, why are there so many different ones ranging from $ 25 to $ 10000 ? I can't believe that a dac wouldn't matter. Just like the amp, they are (imo) equally important in the chain that creates the music no matter how easy a headphone is driven. (or I am just being naive?).

post #6159 of 8042

paying retail is for chumps ;)

 

i got my TH-900 and WA7 (both in like new conditions, with all original box and manuals) used from a second-hand audio website at a discount of 25-30% off retail. if there anything consistent about audio people is that there is always someone looking to upgrade. the plus side of buying used is that your depreciation is usually very small -- if you decide you don't like something you just put it up for sale again. you just need to be patient and keep a lookout for those items you are jonesing for.

 

as far as expensive DACs go… if you can hear a difference… go nuts.

post #6160 of 8042
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Originally Posted by Helstar View Post

If dac's and amps don't matter, why are there so many different ones ranging from $ 25 to $ 10000 ? I can't believe that a dac wouldn't matter. Just like the amp, they are (imo) equally important in the chain that creates the music no matter how easy a headphone is driven. (or I am just being naive?).

don't think anyone's saying they don't matter. just that the difference they make can be hyped especially when folks upgrade to more expensive models.
post #6161 of 8042

Loving the "outside of the head" experience that the TH-900's give me. During night time listening, I frequently find myself taking them off my head just to assure myself that my external speakers aren't blasting music and waking up everyone in the house :D

post #6162 of 8042
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Originally Posted by pervysage View Post

Loving the "outside of the head" experience that the TH-900's give me. During night time listening, I frequently find myself taking them off my head just to assure myself that my external speakers aren't blasting music and waking up everyone in the house biggrin.gif
LOL, I had a similar experience the other week. I was listening to a track I had not heard before and I thought I heard someone walking down the corridor outside my room. Luckily it was in the music.....
post #6163 of 8042
I would think the Sony PHA-1 Portable Headphone Amplifier and USB DAC would be a worthy partner of the TH900 and looks a bargain around $370.
I had good results with my CLAS DAC & alo amp combo. Anyone tried DSD files with the sony TH900 combo?
post #6164 of 8042
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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post

I'm skeptical if any DAC is Noticeably better sounding than a $100 unit, but that's another whole can of worms.

 

lol

post #6165 of 8042
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Originally Posted by pervysage View Post
 

Loving the "outside of the head" experience that the TH-900's give me. During night time listening, I frequently find myself taking them off my head just to assure myself that my external speakers aren't blasting music and waking up everyone in the house :D

 

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