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post #6106 of 8523

Sorry for that.

I tried both with SPL Phonitor and AK100.

I found HD800 mechanical, "german", and TH900 much more organic and true to life, with almost any music.

Only caveat with TH900 : its bass prone to get bloated with the wrong source/amp.

 

Regarding classical, you have a huge treasure chest to discover with these two sources :

 

http://www.concertgebouworkest.nl/en/Metamenu/RCO-Radio/

 

Fantastic live recordings of concerts never released on CD.


Edited by quantx - 1/13/14 at 1:06pm
post #6107 of 8523
With the right amp, the HD800 can be majestic. Problem is, people have different definitions for "right" when it comes to amp pairings for the HD800.

While I didn't have a V200 on hand back when I had the HD800, I think the two would make quite a good pairing. The V200 isn't all things in one, but what it provides in abundance is that sense of weight and body. The HD800 is a lot of things, but what it lacks (especially low down) is weight and body. Pairing the two together should make plenty sense, especially considering how "tubey" the V200 sounds and how often people say the HD800 needs tubes to sound good.

Funnily enough, that amp that Sennheiser markets for the HD800 (HDV something something) - I actually think it does a better job amping the TH900 than it does with their own flagship headphone. Weird.
Edited by kurochin - 1/13/14 at 1:09pm
post #6108 of 8523

I see now.  The V200 is on the warmer side of SS amps that I've heard.  But yes, the HD800 can be very technical and dry but so far with tube amps I'm enjoying it.  The V200 provides enough body to make the HD800 sound pretty good.  Maybe too much body and thickness esp. in the low end for the TH-900.  I'm getting plenty of impact and rumble but it lacks texture and delicacy.  Very well could be the amp pairing.   

 

 

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Originally Posted by quantx View Post
 

Sorry for that.

I tried both with SPL Phonitor and AK100.

I found HD800 mechanical, "german", and TH900 much more organic and true to life, with almost any music.

Only caveat with TH900 : its bass prone to get bloated with the wrong source/amp.

 

Regarding classical, you have a huge treasure chest to discover with these two sources :

 

http://www.concertgebouworkest.nl/en/Metamenu/RCO-Radio/

 

Fantastic live recordings of concerts never released on CD.


Edited by WNBC - 1/13/14 at 1:32pm
post #6109 of 8523
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Originally Posted by quantx View Post
 

Sorry for that.

I tried both with SPL Phonitor and AK100.

I found HD800 mechanical, "german", and TH900 much more organic and true to life, with almost any music.

Only caveat with TH900 : its bass prone to get bloated with the wrong source/amp.

 

Regarding classical, you have a huge treasure chest to discover with these two sources :

 

http://www.concertgebouworkest.nl/en/Metamenu/RCO-Radio/

 

Fantastic live recordings of concerts never released on CD.

 

Concur with you totally here, a very late 80s early 90s German sound, which of course is totally different to the modern German sound which is creating waves in high end currently with brands like Trinity, Analog Domain, Goebel et al leading the charge..............

post #6110 of 8523

Day 3 :D of loaner

 

TH-900: toe-tapping, head-bopping, fantastic for acoustic material (listening to live versions off Blackbird and Right Between the Eyes), vocals outstanding, imaging very good, details - can't ask for much more, delicacy and intricacy - it's all there.  Nothing is lost in listening to these headphones even at low volumes.  Who knows, I may be switching from Team TH-600 to TH-900.

If owning one of these did not require a change in amps I would consider getting one of these :beerchug:.  Too bad some magic would be lost with increased isolation.  

post #6111 of 8523
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Very well could be the amp pairing.

Being easy to drive doesn't necessarily mean that any Tom-Dick amp is going to make them sound good. That's one "mistake" many people seem to make when driving the TH900. They stop trying after listening via the iPhone, thinking they've already gotten the best, and yet these same people go all the way trying to amp-match their beloved orthos and high-impedance headphones.

IMHO, the really special amp pairings for the TH900 are few, much fewer than the choices available for other flagship headphones, in fact. Even within those select few amps, the choices are split between amps that make the headphones sound more neutral and amps that maintain or accentuate their U-shaped nature.
post #6112 of 8523

Could very be true, I'll defer to the TH-900 experts.  I'm listening to some different tracks today (non-jazz) and I'm kind of digging the V200 with the TH-900.  Good thing this is an impression thread or else I'd be eating my early words about the TH-900.  Impressions change over time :p.  

 

One of my favorite portable amps was the Portaphile 627.  Would be fun to try the TH-900 (and HD800 - did I say that:) ) with it. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by kurochin View Post

IMHO, the really special amp pairings for the TH900 are few, much fewer than the choices available for other flagship headphones, in fact. Even within those select few amps, the choices are split between amps that make the headphones sound more neutral and amps that maintain or accentuate their U-shaped nature.
post #6113 of 8523
Oh, forgot to mention that, with regards to those special amps for the TH900, it's not necessarily solved by throwing lots of money. I'm sure there are portable or "budget" amps out there that are wonderful with it. I've tried a couple of $4K+ amps with the TH900 and they still sounded pretty ordinary to my ears. Also want to state that I don't think the V200 is by any means a bad choice (already mentioned that I use a V200 at the office for the TH600). It's a great little amp. There are some amps at similar price points that give more "zing" upon first listen (Burson Soloist, for example), but in the long run the V200 is far less fatiguing and allows for longer listening sessions, provided you can live with the mids being slightly recessed on the TH900. Obviously just my personal opinion based on personal eperience. We all have different tastes, so the only opinion that should matter is your own.
post #6114 of 8523

Indeed or as we say "x2", been listening to this combo for the past 3.5 hours :D

 

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.... the V200 is far less fatiguing and allows for longer listening sessions, provided you can live with the mids being slightly recessed on the TH900. Obviously just my personal opinion based on personal eperience. We all have different tastes, so the only opinion that should matter is your own.
post #6115 of 8523
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Originally Posted by spkrs01 View Post
 

 

Concur with you totally here, a very late 80s early 90s German sound, which of course is totally different to the modern German sound which is creating waves in high end currently with brands like Trinity, Analog Domain, Goebel et al leading the charge..............

 

Had my 1st Senn in the 90's when a teen. Already had problems with them (dull, constrained, mechanical) and already preferred AKG (much clearer sound and better soundstage).

Odd to see that 20 years on, same signature problems remain.

 

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Originally Posted by WNBC View Post
 

Day 3 :D of loaner

 

TH-900: toe-tapping, head-bopping, fantastic for acoustic material (listening to live versions off Blackbird and Right Between the Eyes), vocals outstanding, imaging very good, details - can't ask for much more, delicacy and intricacy - it's all there.  Nothing is lost in listening to these headphones even at low volumes.  Who knows, I may be switching from Team TH-600 to TH-900.

If owning one of these did not require a change in amps I would consider getting one of these :beerchug:.  Too bad some magic would be lost with increased isolation.  

I must second that.

To me, TH900 has far more potential and a kind of "touch" missing in HD800.

post #6116 of 8523
They sound amazing out of a vintage Kenwood integrated amp fed by a netbook / NuForce uDac2 combo. $80 amp..........
post #6117 of 8523

May I suggest that we try to make a List of the High-end AMPS  that pair well with the TH-900:

 

Here are Some very High-End AMPS that I know to pair very well with the TH-900 : 

  • Bakoon HPA-21,  
  • EAR HP4,  
  • ED Zana Deux, 
  • ED Balancing Act, 

 

and… my beloved Analog Square paper TU-05 portable tube Amp :-)  Incredible synergy with my TH-900 (rewired balanced)!

 

-->  Do you have other recommendations  to add to the list please ?

 

 

And… also a list of those which do not pair well with the TH-900 :

 

At least I know those 2 that I have myself:  

  • The Centrance HiFi-M8 Lx (for some obscure reasons I really don't like the combo Hifi-M8 + TH-900 ??)  
  • The  RWA Bellina (too much gain= HISS. Especialy from the Balanced output)
  • RAy Samuel Emmeline Dark Star : Too powerful for the TH-900 = HISS.  It's been designed for "hard to drive" headphone.

Edited by bmichels - 1/14/14 at 1:19pm
post #6118 of 8523

GS-X mk2 

post #6119 of 8523
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No other can has such smoothness and authority. Transients are homogenous and delineated.

If you're in symphonic music too, it's a real limousine. Fostex should release a revamped HPA8 at CES14.

Yum…


Any news about the updated HPA8? I have been looking all over the internet for info, but to no avail...

post #6120 of 8523
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Any news about the updated HPA8? I have been looking all over the internet for info, but to no avail...

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