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post #5806 of 14257
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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post


I honestly don't know.. Lots of guys are very knowledgeable on what sonic differences each type of wire favor. I am not one of them.

Drew Baird at Moon Audio recommends the Silver dragon cable for the TH900s.  While silver would, in theory, tighten more the bass, it could potentially make them sound thin.  Anyone out there know how the TH900s would sound with Silver vs. Copper replacement cables?

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Thin bass on TH900? Now that would make me a cable believer!

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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post


I honestly don't know.. Lots of guys are very knowledgeable on what sonic differences each type of wire favor. I am not one of them.


I changed the cable on my D7000's, to a brand I will not name, and there was a great deal of improvement in SQ.  The mids and highs were much smoother, the bass was tighter and the soundstage was wider.  I did the same mod on the TH900 and the results were not the same, there was a loss in transient speed, so I changed back to the stock cable.  My point is that it's all about synergy between the components in play and the perception of the listener.

 

Sometimes changing out components works and sometimes it doesn't.  What works for some may not for others and neither is wrong.  In the end, it's all about what works for you and that's what this hobby is all about...enjoyment and pleasure.


Edited by germay0653 - 11/28/13 at 7:47am
post #5809 of 14257
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Originally Posted by hekeli View Post
 

Thin bass on TH900? Now that would make me a cable believer!

I meant tighten the bass and thin out the treble...for instance, silver cables really thin out the treble in my HD800s; thus, I had to change to a copper cable and now I'm happy.


Edited by figaro69 - 11/28/13 at 8:22am
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Originally Posted by germay0653 View Post
 


I changed the cable on my D7000's, to a brand I will not name, and there was a great deal of improvement in SQ.  The mids and highs were much smoother, the bass was tighter and the soundstage was wider.  I did the same mod on the TH900 and the results were not the same, there was a loss in transient speed, so I changed back to the stock cable.  My point is that it's all about synergy between the components in play and the perception of the listener.

 

Sometimes changing out components works and sometimes it doesn't.  What works for some may not for others and neither is wrong.  In the end, it's all about what works for you and that's what this hobby is all about...enjoyment and pleasure.

was the cable copper or silver?

post #5811 of 14257
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Originally Posted by figaro69 View Post
 

With regard to replacement headphone cable, which would be better, Copper or Silver?

 

Where do you feel the TH-900 could stand some improvement? Comparing different metals of the same purity and design, I prefer copper. I feel pure silver cables give U Shaped headphones a tad to much treble presence that was un-needed. Silver will give you better air, treble refinement, bass slam (tighter bass), and possibly slighty better transient speed depending on the type of design and headphone. Copper will give you a more euphoric, meatier, laid-back sound that will give you better bass control, smoother treble, fuller mids. Personally, I felt the TH-900 could stand a bit of help in the mids, so I went with copper. Both will be enjoyable if you know what cable design and purity to look for. For a light headphone like the TH-900, I also opted for a light, feather-like cable to match.  

 

IMO

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Originally Posted by Greed View Post
 

 

Where do you feel the TH-900 could stand some improvement? Comparing different metals of the same purity and design, I prefer copper. I feel pure silver cables give U Shaped headphones a tad to much treble presence that was un-needed. Silver will give you better air, treble refinement, bass slam (tighter bass), and possibly slighty better transient speed depending on the type of design and headphone. Copper will give you a more euphoric, meatier, laid-back sound that will give you better bass control, smoother treble, fuller mids. Personally, I felt the TH-900 could stand a bit of help in the mids, so I went with copper. Both will be enjoyable if you know what cable design and purity to look for. For a light headphone like the TH-900, I also opted for a light, feather-like cable to match. 

 

IMO

I don't truly think they can improve much if at all, but I may be wrong.  Just wondering.

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Originally Posted by figaro69 View Post
 

I don't truly think they can improve much if at all, but I may be wrong.  Just wondering.

 

Well, without getting into a cable debate - I found the TH-600/900 stock cable to be horrible ergonomically and practically. The improvement in those areas was enough for me to opt for a new cable. 

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Well, without getting into a cable debate - I found the TH-600/900 stock cable to be horrible ergonomically and practically. The improvement in those areas was enough for me to opt for a new cable.

In what ways?  It looks okay to me. It doesn't tangle...it unravels fine (much better than any moon audio cable, to be sure, even though I love them).

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Originally Posted by figaro69 View Post
 

was the cable copper or silver?


Copper.

 

I am going to try a cable of my own construction that is solid, not stranded, OCC silver to see if it can improve 1) the ergonomics Greed alluded to and 2) improve the transient speed even further.  Time will tell!

 

I may not get to that project as quickly as I'd like but no later than January of 2014.


Edited by germay0653 - 11/28/13 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by figaro69 View Post
 

In what ways?  It looks okay to me. It doesn't tangle...it unravels fine (much better than any moon audio cable, to be sure, even though I love them).

 

I guess you haven't had any trouble with it yet, but it kinks very easily at the y-splitter. Also, the cable is very long - even for a home-use application. Not to mention the actual quality of the wire...

 

Anyways, why ask what the differences are if you aren't too keen on buying a new cable. It seems you are happy with the stock version. 

post #5817 of 14257
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Originally Posted by Greed View Post

I guess you haven't had any trouble with it yet, but it kinks very easily at the y-splitter. Also, the cable is very long - even for a home-use application. Not to mention the actual quality of the wire...

Anyways, why ask what the differences are if you aren't too keen on buying a new cable. It seems you are happy with the stock version. 

The cable you put on the phones you sold me is amazing. So supple, light and easy to deal with. Well done bud. Compared to my D7000 cable it now has me ready to send them to Brian for the swap.
post #5818 of 14257
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Originally Posted by Greed View Post
 

 

I guess you haven't had any trouble with it yet, but it kinks very easily at the y-splitter. Also, the cable is very long - even for a home-use application. Not to mention the actual quality of the wire...

 

Anyways, why ask what the differences are if you aren't too keen on buying a new cable. It seems you are happy with the stock version.

yeah...looks like I'm staying put.

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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post


My experience is they basically sound almost exactly like my Lawton modded D7000. Not much better if at all, which is not a knock on the TH900 (I love these things) but a tribute to how good my D7000 sound and by extension Marks work.

And my opinion is there is no such thing as perfection in anything. The stock cable, for example is not good, and I am thrilled Greed had BTG replace it with a sweet cable and I benefited from it. Way better.

To each their own. To my ears my this is a clone to my D7000, so yes, it's improved in stock form over the D7000, and my point is imagine if you could get the jump in sound performance like I did with my D7000. That would be an amazing feat.

Agree to disagree I guess, so have a great Thanksgiving! What a great hobby and what a great forum for this obsession!


Lawton modded D7000 and TH900 don't sound the same at all.  I had the lawton modded D7000 and I wasn't impressed by the mod.  The only reason I got lawton pads was to replace the original ones, cause they were worn out.  Otherwise, I would have never bought the lawton pads as they are extremely overpriced and change the sound signature of the D7000.  The reason why I owned and loved the D7000 in the first place for so many years was because of its amazing sound quality and sound signature.  The lawton pads took out that joy and made the headphones somewhat boring and the sound like it was coming from inside a cave.  It had a weird effect.  I preferred the original pads over the lawton mods any day.

 

I just couldn't find the original pads anywhere to purchase so I was forced to buy the lawton pads.  I ended up selling the D7000 with the lawton pads and after selling them I found out where to buy the original pads.  But it was already too late by that time, cause they were gone to another owner.

 

But I'm glad I sold them, because I now own the TH900 and they are the greatest headphone I have ever owned.  I've tried a few 1k+ headphones and a lot of them were a huge disappointment.   The TH900 are a pair of headphones I do not regret spending my money on.  They are an absolute masterpiece from its design to its sound quality.  I'm actually surprised these headphones are not mentioned as one of the best headphones ever made open or closed.

 

Also, the TH900 are an improvement over the D7000 in every area modded or not modded.

 

TH900 bass is probably the best I have ever heard on any headphone.

post #5820 of 14257
For anyone who is interested I recently dropped the price of my recalled TH900 to 1300USD incl fees. For those who are able to afford and appreciate my special silver cable, combo price will be $1600 and free shipping and fees.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/689840/fostex-th900-dhc-recabled-ear-cup-wires

Cheers



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