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post #4096 of 7451
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Originally Posted by Greed View Post

TH-900 is very efficient. Any Android, Apple, etc device should power it sufficiently. When I'm lazy, sometimes I'll grab my iphone and the TH-900. Doesn't sound as good as my home rig, or my portable rigs, but it is good enough and still better than almost anything I've heard as far as full-sized headphones go.

Okay I was unclear there. What would be the bare minimum to get it to sound better than a lcd2+lyr+bitfrost combo?
post #4097 of 7451
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Originally Posted by myap2328 View Post

Okay I was unclear there. What would be the bare minimum to get it to sound better than a lcd2+lyr+bitfrost combo?

An iPhone or iPod? Anything.
post #4098 of 7451
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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post

An iPhone or iPod? Anything.

Are you for real cos if you are I would be jumping for joy now! A LCD-2 and lyr and bitfrost cost almost the same as the th-900 and if the th-900 sound better out of an iPhone. Omg!

I actually wasn't even planning to drive it with an iPhone. My iPhone is the 4S and I heard it is analogue what does that mean and what is the diff compared to like an iPod? (Sry off topic.)

Was thinking like 4S>Below 200 bucks amp>th-900

Can other people confirm that a th900 straight out of an iPod would sound better than a lcd2 lyr and bitfrost combo?
post #4099 of 7451
myap2328 as the previous head fiers have stated the TH900 with well recorded EDM sounds sublime maybe the Sony Qalia is the only other flagship h/p I've heard people talk about as a superb h/p for EDM although there seems to be divided opinions on that one regarding headband fit etc,

Have you thought of talking your iPod or iPhone to a store to demo the TH900 to see if it is to your taste?

As mentioned through this thread the TH900 is quite forgiving regarding amp/dacs in general and scales up extremely well.

I have so far tried TH900 with following:

iPad - TH900 sounds decent however clearly the iPads dac is not going to win any awards

Win7, FLAC files with Foobar Xonar STX sound card - amazing for such a cheap source TH900 leaves my Ultrasone Ed 8 & Beyerdynamics MMX300 for dust

iPod cyber rhythm sole with alo mk2 h/p amp - great imaging, decent sound stage very musical combo great for bedtime listening

Mac mini, lossless files Amarra, Grace M903 dac/h/p amp once warmed up very neutral h/p amp provides more control throughout the sonic spectrum - not a overly euphonic amp but pleasing none the less. Step up in detail and imaging from all previous combos.

Well Tempered Simplex Turntable into Clearaudio nano phono stage into Leben CS300XS (once tubes warm up) sounds amazing best combo so far . Not so fond of the Mac mini grace into leben with the TH900 not too sure why sounds less 3D than with the WTS.

Sorry can't comment on LCD 2/3
post #4100 of 7451
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Originally Posted by mrtim6 View Post

myap2328 as the previous head fiers have stated the TH900 with well recorded EDM sounds sublime maybe the Sony Qalia is the only other flagship h/p I've heard people talk about as a superb h/p for EDM although there seems to be divided opinions on that one regarding headband fit etc,

Have you thought of talking your iPod or iPhone to a store to demo the TH900 to see if it is to your taste?

As mentioned through this thread the TH900 is quite forgiving regarding amp/dacs in general and scales up extremely well.

I have so far tried TH900 with following:

iPad - TH900 sounds decent however clearly the iPads dac is not going to win any awards

Win7, FLAC files with Foobar Xonar STX sound card - amazing for such a cheap source TH900 leaves my Ultrasone Ed 8 & Beyerdynamics MMX300 for dust

iPod cyber rhythm sole with alo mk2 h/p amp - great imaging, decent sound stage very musical combo great for bedtime listening

Mac mini, lossless files Amarra, Grace M903 dac/h/p amp once warmed up very neutral h/p amp provides more control throughout the sonic spectrum - not a overly euphonic amp but pleasing none the less. Step up in detail and imaging from all previous combos.

Well Tempered Simplex Turntable into Clearaudio nano phono stage into Leben CS300XS (once tubes warm up) sounds amazing best combo so far . Not so fond of the Mac mini grace into leben with the TH900 not too sure why sounds less 3D than with the WTS.

Sorry can't comment on LCD 2/3

Thanks for your help. Well, I was actually asking a few questions in my previous posts and it was a bit messy. The first one was that I heard a iPhone 4S is analogue, so does it need a Dac? Cos a Dac is a digital to analogue converter so if it is already analogue why need a Dac? Or have I got my concept confused. I ask this question is because, well I'm thinking of using the th-900 without an external Dac. But in confused why all the other apple models are digital and the 4s is analogue. Can anyone clarify this?

The second question I was asking if a th-900 plus a cheap amp would defeat a LCD-2 with a lyr and bitfrost becos all I care is the sound and the two combos mentioned above is the same price.
post #4101 of 7451

I think you'd better read some basic concept of dap (digital audio player) and you will have your answer. 

I can give you the answer straight away but that's not a good way to learn stuff 

To my ear, a th900 with ipod 4s can rival lcd2 with lyr and bifrost 

should have add that its sound not as refined as the lcd2 rigs but add the flexible factor I'm totally happy with it 

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Originally Posted by myap2328 View Post


Thanks for your help. Well, I was actually asking a few questions in my previous posts and it was a bit messy. The first one was that I heard a iPhone 4S is analogue, so does it need a Dac? Cos a Dac is a digital to analogue converter so if it is already analogue why need a Dac? Or have I got my concept confused. I ask this question is because, well I'm thinking of using the th-900 without an external Dac. But in confused why all the other apple models are digital and the 4s is analogue. Can anyone clarify this?

The second question I was asking if a th-900 plus a cheap amp would defeat a LCD-2 with a lyr and bitfrost becos all I care is the sound and the two combos mentioned above is the same price.

Edited by xzobinx - 4/29/13 at 7:23am
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I don't get how people are saying TH900 beats LCD2/Lyr/Bifrost, or vice versa. They're two very different headphones with very different signatures, excelling in very different genres. Nothing is better than the other. Nothing beats the other. It's just a matter of PREFERENCE. Stop asking if this beats that, trying to get the "best" is not the purpose of this hobby, but rather to find the combination that sounds most to your preference.

 

How can you prepare apple juice so it would taste better than orange juice?


Edited by Girls Generation - 4/29/13 at 7:34am
post #4103 of 7451
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Originally Posted by Girls Generation View Post

I don't get how people are saying TH900 beats LCD2/Lyr/Bifrost, or vice versa. They're two very different headphones with very different signatures, excelling in very different genres. Nothing is better than the other. Nothing beats the other. It's just a matter of PREFERENCE. Stop asking if this beats that, trying to get the "best" is not the purpose of this hobby, but rather to find the combination that sounds most to your preference.

 

How can you prepare apple juice so it would taste better than orange juice?

So true. 

post #4104 of 7451
I'm very very sorry if I offended some people. Because well. It would take a really Lon post to explain my situation. I was just making some enquiries cos well, just to understand more and know more. My apologies to this who are sensitive to apples vs oranges conparision
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To answer your first question: You're not wrong that the iPhone is analog out (via HP out). The reason people use separate DACs for the iPhone, such as the CLAS, is because they'd like to bypass the lesser DAC chip inside the iPhone for a [potentially] better sound, although it's all utter hyperbole. One achieves that by extracting the musical data from the line out dock on the bottom of the iPhone, which is a digital signal. I've had the CLAS, and other DACs with different DAPs and I've concluded that it's all just a waste of money, but greed for "the best" as I have mentioned earlier blinds most of the people on here and lead them to spend extreme amounts of money on portable/transportable gear that doesn't really make a difference under real world non-ideal conditions. This is just my humble opinion, please don't take offence.

 

To comment on your second question: If you care about sound, you shouldn't be worrying about what sounds 'better' than the other. Try to reflect with yourself what kind of sound signature you prefer and go from there. If you want to really ask what is 'better' then be more specific, e.g. Which between the two has 'better' dynamics, or 'better' detail retrieval -- things that are objectively comparable across the board. But don't ask things like 'better' vocals, 'better' mids, or 'better' bass, because that's all preference.

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Originally Posted by myap2328 View Post


Thanks for your help. Well, I was actually asking a few questions in my previous posts and it was a bit messy. The first one was that I heard a iPhone 4S is analogue, so does it need a Dac? Cos a Dac is a digital to analogue converter so if it is already analogue why need a Dac? Or have I got my concept confused. I ask this question is because, well I'm thinking of using the th-900 without an external Dac. But in confused why all the other apple models are digital and the 4s is analogue. Can anyone clarify this?

The second question I was asking if a th-900 plus a cheap amp would defeat a LCD-2 with a lyr and bitfrost becos all I care is the sound and the two combos mentioned above is the same price.
post #4106 of 7451
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Originally Posted by Girls Generation View Post

I don't get how people are saying TH900 beats LCD2/Lyr/Bifrost, or vice versa. They're two very different headphones with very different signatures, excelling in very different genres. Nothing is better than the other. Nothing beats the other. It's just a matter of PREFERENCE. Stop asking if this beats that, trying to get the "best" is not the purpose of this hobby, but rather to find the combination that sounds most to your preference.

 

How can you prepare apple juice so it would taste better than orange juice?

 

How politically correct of you tongue.gif

 

@myap - Although I understand you wanting to get the best SQ for the money you spend, I've seen you jump around different thread asking the same questions, and arriving at the different results in each thread. If you're in the D7000 thread, you say "Oh, the D7000 sounds like it is for me", the LCD-2 thread "Oh, the LCD-2 sounds like it is for me." Problem is, you're never going to get anywhere going by what people say about headphones, you have to hear them for yourself and make a decision. No one hear wants to be responsible for you spending 2k worth of equipment based on their impressions or recommendation. As GG says the LCD-2 and TH-900 aren't similar at all. In fact, if you are looking at it with purely value in mind, the latter choice is much better. You are getting an amp, dac, and headphones. Not to be rude, but it seems like you are jumping into the deep end without learning how to swim. If you don't know the basic concepts of a DAC, DAP, AMP etc., learn that and come back to your problem (finding the right headphone). Bottom line, you need to find out exactly what you want, how portable you want it to be, budget, sound signature, and whether or not you need external accessories such as an amp. "Besting" is a horrible word to be slinging around here especially you start talking about flagships and former flagships. Some will agree the LCD-3 "bests" the LCD-2.2, other don't think so, or simply prefer the latter. You see where I'm going here? Subjectiveness. 

post #4107 of 7451
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Originally Posted by Girls Generation View Post

I don't get how people are saying TH900 beats LCD2/Lyr/Bifrost, or vice versa. They're two very different headphones with very different signatures, excelling in very different genres. Nothing is better than the other. Nothing beats the other. It's just a matter of PREFERENCE. Stop asking if this beats that, trying to get the "best" is not the purpose of this hobby, but rather to find the combination that sounds most to your preference.

 

How can you prepare apple juice so it would taste better than orange juice?

 

Sorry, But I'm not sure I agree here.  Here's why,  anything and I mean anything can be compared.  It's just what in particular is being compared.  Two different headphones with two different sound sigs can be compared when it comes down to technicalities.  We see it all the time with FR charts and CSD waterfall plots.  Bass on any headphone can be compared.  Mids on any headphone can be compared, Vocals on any giving headphone can be compared.  It may be a subjective comparison or it may be a objective comparison, either way they are compared.  

 

I compare my headphones to each other all the time.  Which headphone does vocals better with this track, or which headphone has tighter bass with that track.  Point is comparisons are done all the time.  

post #4108 of 7451

@myap, since you're in Singapore, why don't you head over to Jaben @Adelphi and try on the TH900s for size? Listen to them through your iPhone or iPod and see how it sounds to you. They might also have the D7000s but I KNOW they have the TH900s since I auditioned them @Jaben in Feb while I was visiting there.

 

You'll get a LOT MORE answers than going back and forth on the forums here, in multiple threads, where folks with varying degrees of opinions are going to even further confuse your picture of the situation.

 

Since I have the TH900s and I tried them out of an iPhone 5 and I got no satisfaction out of them, compared to driving them through a headphone amp, that is just my opinion. You and others may be perfectly fine with it. It really depends on what your approach and mentality and perception of listening to them will be, nothing any of us can give you a definitive answer on.

 

And yes, I agree with Girls Generation on the statement that "they're two very different headphones" when you're comparing with the LCD-2s. But like preproman stated, ANYTHING Is up for comparison. I was just comparing Stax Lambdas to the TH900s yesterday in limited use cases, even though I wasn't intending to since they both sound different. 

 

Also, I wouldn't be riding the MTR with the TH900s during rush hours in SG. You will likely come home one day with a busted pair of TH900s. ;) So think twice before you consider the cans for iPhone/iPod use!


Edited by twizzleraddict - 4/29/13 at 10:58am
post #4109 of 7451

The post you're referring to is a statement that one cannot label something 'better' than the other. Your comment is more along the lines of my second comment directly replying to myap, more specifically, the second point within that comment. I agree with your point, but I hope you can see what I meant in the post you were replying to. Further, I think you missed my point because I never said they can't be compared with. I was saying no one can say what is 'best' when it comes down to a lot of things that are more subjective and less measurable. beerchug.gif

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

Sorry, But I'm not sure I agree here.  Here's why,  anything and I mean anything can be compared.  It's just what in particular is being compared.  Two different headphones with two different sound sigs can be compared when it comes down to technicalities.  We see it all the time with FR charts and CSD waterfall plots.  Bass on any headphone can be compared.  Mids on any headphone can be compared, Vocals on any giving headphone can be compared.  It may be a subjective comparison or it may be a objective comparison, either way they are compared.  

 

I compare my headphones to each other all the time.  Which headphone does vocals better with this track, or which headphone has tighter bass with that track.  Point is comparisons are done all the time.  


Edited by Girls Generation - 4/29/13 at 12:56pm
post #4110 of 7451

I have had the Fostex TH900 now for quite some time, but didn't want to post feedback until I felt that I knew them inside and out with a huge variety of source material. I genuinely think they are one of the best headphones on the market, regardless of price.

 

I feel they share similar sound characteristics to the Sony R10 which I find extremely enjoyable, not as transparent as the STAX009 but with specific material much more emotive.

 

I have used the Astell and Kern K100/ALOAUDIO portable RX MK3 B with 24 bit 192khz material and a Rega ISIS Valve/SPL Phonitor 2731. Fabulous headphones, addictive, ever so slightly on the warm side of neutral overall. Superb lower frequency presence, silky mid range and sweet high end. Need a very good amplifier to get the most from them, just like the R10.

 

If anyone is looking for a Sony R10 today, unless you have the 7k spare and want an iconic piece of history I would recommend you save a lot of money and potential spare part heartache and pick up the Fostex TH900. A very similar sounding headphone in many regards and one of the best headphones in the last 20 years.

 

Unless I am mistaken these headphones will go down in history and will be discussed 20 years on, just like the R10.


Edited by zardon - 4/29/13 at 2:10pm
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