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post #2506 of 7941
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Originally Posted by Audiowood View Post


Who knows th600 turns out to have the same driver / similar sq without the fancy urushi and silver platinum coating. Even more People might still jump and buy. But I highly doubt so..

 

No. There will be differences between the two that will keep TH900 the flagship. The TH-600 will have the tesla 1.0 (as opposed to the TH-900's 1.5), and the cables won't be as pure OFC as the TH-900's too. In addition, no urushi cups but just black.

post #2507 of 7941
Forgot to mention Sound Devices threw in a 3.5mm Grado looking jack for free as I had my portable commuter rig with me yesterday - iPod classic Algorythum solo and alo mkII amp - the TH900 sounded fantastic even on the portable rig. Any why too early for me to post a comparison - I have to say muppetface is spot on with the new car smell - I do find it quite pleasant.
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Aussie Head-Fi'ers are benefitting from the strength of their dollar, but it appears that the mark-up on the TH900 is high when retailers can sell it for $1495 and still make a profit.

post #2509 of 7941
I agree - at $1495 the TH900 is an attractive alternative (IMHO better) to the HD800. Unless you are an audio engineer who requires ultra detail.
post #2510 of 7941
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Originally Posted by unspool View Post

Aussie Head-Fi'ers are benefitting from the strength of their dollar, but it appears that the mark-up on the TH900 is high when retailers can sell it for $1495 and still make a profit.

Definitely good for the consumer.  As far as audio retailers profit margins, it really depends on a number of things eg: consumer demand, availability, manufacturing changes, just to name a few.  I'm just talking of my own experiences dealing with computer wholesalers and manufacturers who changed pricings all the time on consignment stock, so profits would be less or remain the same for the retailer.

post #2511 of 7941

Sure but the original MSRP for the TH900 was $2399 and online sellers have been advertising it from $1799 to $1999.


Edited by unspool - 12/1/12 at 3:20am
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True some online retailers are still advertising for $1799 to $1999.  If they did not buy them on consignment then they may have to sell at a loss.  It's a tough gig for small startup retailers when they can't buy on consignment

post #2513 of 7941
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Originally Posted by mrtim6 View Post

I have to say muppetface is spot on with the new car smell.

 

It's because Idemitsu Grancuir (used by Fostex for the TH900 pads) is luxury car interior leather ;)


Edited by devouringone3 - 12/1/12 at 4:54am
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You won't see the Sennheiser HD800 and Grado PS1000 flagships selling for several hundred dollars below the MSRP. Those companies impose strict pricing controls on their authorised dealers. It would seem that Fostex doesn't or cannot do the same. It does make me wonder just how far the price of the Fostex TH900 will drop, bearing in mind that the TH600 is due for release early next year at an MSRP that is rumoured to be around $1200.

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How can you guys be surprised at the markup? Especially on a piece that required this much hands on work.

 

They're probably not making tons of money with the TH900 even though they're selling well. 

 

The audio world sometimes gets crazy with markup (when we talk 1000%+) but most small amp manufacturers get somewhere around 3-400% more than parts. It seems like a lot, but even at markups like that companies are going out of business because in the grand scheme of things they're not making that much money after considering all the costs of running a business.

 

I feel like head-fi imagines anyone that runs a company (with a few exceptions) that does alright to the naked eye as sitting on a pile of money with a top hat and a monocle. 

 

/soapbox


Edited by MorbidToaster - 12/1/12 at 7:14am
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My comment related to the wide margin between the MSRP of $2399 and a selling price as low as $1495. It's no reflection on the quality of the product or the processes involved in its manufacture. However, if I paid $1899 or even $1799 for the TH900 two months ago and saw them selling for three or four hundred dollars less now, I think I'd be feeling slightly miffed. 

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I'm surprised people are still amazed at the concept of a high mark-up on electronics products.  Pretty much every item in your house that has Made In China has an insane markup on it - hence the reason it's made in china.  You pay for the perceived value of that item and the "perceived value" is basically the "benefit / cost" ratio.  If you find the benefits received worth the cost paid, then that is your perceived value.  Your perceived value can be different than the next person.  That creates a supply / demand.  The supply / demand ratio is where the manufacturer determines their prices, and that can vary between markets (ie America, Australia, etc).

 

It's a lot more complex than that, but head phones are far from immune to mark up.  If someone makes a device made entirely from cheap plastic called the Wonder Thingie Ma Bob and it cures every ailment in your entire house, and they have the patent on it, then they can charge whatever they want and it's up to you whether or not it's benefits are worth it to you.  If no one sees the value in it, then that company will either lower the price (risking a negative market perception by the consumers) or simply redesign it, rerelease it, and price it appropriately with a new name so no one sees the connection to it being the EXACT same thing.

 

Headphone companies, like most companies, have the benefit of market research and test groups where they can get a general idea of what people will pay for a given perceived value and they can price in that market accordingly.

 

Of course you economic and business majors out there know it's a LOT more complex than that and there are a ton of variables, but honestly, no one here with a general concept of profit margins should be surprised by mark ups.  That's kind of the point of a business.  To turn a profit.

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I'll say based on what I know about the TH-900, there probably isn't as much markup in it as one would expect.  Especially versus the HD-800 or other comparable headphones in that price range.  I know for a fact that the general markup on the HD-800 is about 600-700$.  Sennheiser is a huge company who buys, builds, and sells in bulk.  That significantly lowers the manufacturing cost which allows for a higher markup because apparently Sennheiser is content with the demand for the HD-800, so the price remains where it is.

 

Any time you have a company like Fostex that is using the words "hands-on" and it's not for the actual building of the product but simply the aesthetics such as the Urushi on the wooden cups, that eats away at their markup for that company.  It involves time, skill, and a 3rd party - and for most companies, 3rd party = extra expenditures = less mark up.

 

Anyways, I have too many thoughts going through my head on this subject and not enough time to properly explain why I'm surprised people are even concerned about the markup on the TH-900. You pay markup for every thing in your house for the most part aside for computers, which unlike in the past, has very little mark up at all in comparison to every thing else you purchase nowadays. Televisions are following the same path...the markup range is being eaten away by fierce competition.   For what it's worth to your peace of mind, I can say you are probably paying a more reasonable price for the TH-900s than you are for most other headphones in your collection simply due to the design approach that Fostex took with it.

post #2519 of 7941

I'm not amazed but I am a little surprised to see the price of this flagship headphone drop so rapidly, particularly when you compare it to the HD800, PS1000, Stax SR-009 and SR-007 that have not. HeadRoom advertise the TH900 as the "most expensive sealed headphones in the industry". It has a certain cache that comes with luxury items. I wouldn't have thought that we'd see such heavy discounting so soon, if ever, on Fostex's opulent audiophile headphone. Just an observation. smile.gif


Edited by unspool - 12/1/12 at 9:58pm
post #2520 of 7941
There's a $700 difference with SR-009s too, I got mine for $4500 through PriceJapan and they sell for $5200 on most US sites.
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