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post #1831 of 7936

HMMM... to buy the TH900 or LCD-3???? confused_face_2.gif

Any comments?

post #1832 of 7936

hi i am a man of few words but just wanna share with you guys that...i just got my fostex th-900!

 

really out of impulse and now using it with my vorzuge pro duo amp. (can't afford desktop amps)

the sound quality is definitely top-notch and while it didn't wow me like the lcd2v2 initially  (maybe cause of the more forward mids on the lcd), you will get to enjoy the phones after some time.

 

its really comfortable and i just like music from it.  beyersmile.png

post #1833 of 7936
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Originally Posted by musicman59 View Post

HMMM... to buy the TH900 or LCD-3???? confused_face_2.gif
Any comments?

I used to own the LCD-2 and I prefer the TH900 by far. The LCD-2 was too dark and had too little treble.
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Originally Posted by zowki View Post


I used to own the LCD-2 and I prefer the TH900 by far. The LCD-2 was too dark and had too little treble.

I would agree with that but the LCD-3 IMO are much better and transparent in comparison. I did not like the "darkness" of the LCD-2 either.

post #1835 of 7936

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Originally Posted by musicman59 View Post

HMMM... to buy the TH900 or LCD-3???? confused_face_2.gif

Any comments?

You can read some of my comments here, mostly comparing it to the W3000ANV (thus in that thread) but also mentions the LCD-3. The TH900 is nice by itself, but very colored in comparison to the LCD-3 which has almost flat response across the spectrum in comparison. Graphs are available and while they don't tell the whole story, I think they are clearly representative of what can be heard.
 

So based on your past listening preferences, that should be a fairly clear choice to make. They are both very good in their own way but certainly quite different in character. I'd considered this choice the most important deciding factor.

 

A practical consideration may be comfort (which IS important). The TH900 is the most comfortable headphone I have worn, on par with my ATH W5000. The LCD-3 is heavier but while relaxing in a chair, not such a big deal. My biggest gripe are the suction-cup leather pads. Their softness is great, but the suction effect was bad until I added a small mod, the single biggest improvement in comfort for me. Also, the leather is weird, supposedly real leather but somehow feels almost like pleather (?), nothing like Audio Technica's higher-end offerings... Actually, the TH900's "fake" leather made from eggshell membrane feels more "real" and comfortable.

 

One other consideration is amplification: the TH900 is easy to drive (even if some people put down some serious $$$ to get the "best" amplification for it), the LCD-3 on the other hand DOES require quite a bit of oomph and the differences are definitely audible. You can use it of course for the time being with what you have even if it is not up there, but you may have to consider putting some more money into amplification. From my experience, the differences for the TH900 are less critical (which I think is actually a big plus in its favour)

 

Personally, while I like the TH900, there no question for me that a properly amplified LCD-3 is the better choice. As a matter of fact, with my current tube set and recent DAC upgrade (which actually for once made a (slightly) audible difference) I cannot think of any improvement other than -maybe- a super-expensive Stax-stack (that I would not be able to afford any time soon...)


Edited by TheGrumpyOldMan - 9/13/12 at 11:00am
post #1836 of 7936
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Originally Posted by TheGrumpyOldMan View Post

Quote:

You can read some of my comments here, mostly comparing it to the W3000ANV (thus in that thread) but also mentions the LCD-3. The TH900 is nice by itself, but very colored in comparison to the LCD-3 which has almost flat response across the spectrum in comparison. Graphs are available and while they don't tell the whole story, I think they are clearly representative of what can be heard.
 

So based on your past listening preferences, that should be a fairly clear choice to make. They are both very good in their own way but certainly quite different in character. I'd considered this choice the most important deciding factor.

 

A practical consideration may be comfort (which IS important). The TH900 is the most comfortable headphone I have worn, on par with my ATH W5000. The LCD-3 is heavier but while relaxing in a chair, not such a big deal. My biggest gripe are the suction-cup leather pads. Their softness is great, but the suction effect was bad until I added a small mod, the single biggest improvement in comfort for me. Also, the leather is weird, supposedly real leather but somehow feels almost like pleather (?), nothing like Audio Technica's higher-end offerings... Actually, the TH900's "fake" leather made from eggshell membrane feels more "real" and comfortable.

 

One other consideration is amplification: the TH900 is easy to drive (even if some people put down some serious $$$ to get the "best" amplification for it), the LCD-3 on the other hand DOES require quite a bit of oomph and the differences are definitely audible. You can use it of course for the time being with what you have even if it is not up there, but you may have to consider putting some more money into amplification. From my experience, the differences for the TH900 are less critical (which I think is actually a big plus in its favour)

 

Personally, while I like the TH900, there no question for me that a properly amplified LCD-3 is the better choice. As a matter of fact, with my current tube set and recent DAC upgrade (which actually for once made a (slightly) audible difference) I cannot think of any improvement other than -maybe- a super-expensive Stax-stack (that I would not be able to afford any time soon...)

 having listened to both a few times before deciding to purchase the TH900s. I have to agree that the comfort factor on the TH900 is a big selling point when compared to the LCD3/2s.

 

The LCDs are just heavy for me and hit right on the worst spot on my head and the pressure points would become unbearable after 30 minutes (adjusting didn't help much).

 

In terms of sound, comparing the stock TH900 with stock LCD3 I enjoyed the TH900 better (cleaner/clearer/more dynamic) I did listen to a ALO labs recabled LCD3 and that sounded excellent maybe surpassing the TH900 in overall musical enjoyability but the factors that were a big miss for me in purchasing the LCD3 was..

1) they need to be recabled to get the most out of them so even more $ had to be spent (stock TH900s sounded better to my ears than stock LCD3s)

2) they are very uncomfortable/heavy for long term listening

3) Due to the weight of the phones and shape of the pads they would get your ears hot faster than the TH900s - you never forget you have headphones on, whereas with the TH900s there are times where I can forget..


Edited by Ahzari - 9/13/12 at 2:13pm
post #1837 of 7936
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Originally Posted by musicman59 View Post

HMMM... to buy the TH900 or LCD-3???? confused_face_2.gif

Any comments?


Both? biggrin.gif

post #1838 of 7936
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Originally Posted by TheGrumpyOldMan View Post

Quote:

You can read some of my comments here, mostly comparing it to the W3000ANV (thus in that thread) but also mentions the LCD-3. The TH900 is nice by itself, but very colored in comparison to the LCD-3 which has almost flat response across the spectrum in comparison. Graphs are available and while they don't tell the whole story, I think they are clearly representative of what can be heard.
 

So based on your past listening preferences, that should be a fairly clear choice to make. They are both very good in their own way but certainly quite different in character. I'd considered this choice the most important deciding factor.

 

A practical consideration may be comfort (which IS important). The TH900 is the most comfortable headphone I have worn, on par with my ATH W5000. The LCD-3 is heavier but while relaxing in a chair, not such a big deal. My biggest gripe are the suction-cup leather pads. Their softness is great, but the suction effect was bad until I added a small mod, the single biggest improvement in comfort for me. Also, the leather is weird, supposedly real leather but somehow feels almost like pleather (?), nothing like Audio Technica's higher-end offerings... Actually, the TH900's "fake" leather made from eggshell membrane feels more "real" and comfortable.

 

One other consideration is amplification: the TH900 is easy to drive (even if some people put down some serious $$$ to get the "best" amplification for it), the LCD-3 on the other hand DOES require quite a bit of oomph and the differences are definitely audible. You can use it of course for the time being with what you have even if it is not up there, but you may have to consider putting some more money into amplification. From my experience, the differences for the TH900 are less critical (which I think is actually a big plus in its favour)

 

Personally, while I like the TH900, there no question for me that a properly amplified LCD-3 is the better choice. As a matter of fact, with my current tube set and recent DAC upgrade (which actually for once made a (slightly) audible difference) I cannot think of any improvement other than -maybe- a super-expensive Stax-stack (that I would not be able to afford any time soon...)

Thanks for the information. I am not worry for amplification since I own a WA5-LE fully upgraded and a Dark Star. I also have the SR-009/727II combo.

Since I got the W3000ANV I don't listen to the D7000 and DX1000 so they are targeted for the For Sale forum soon. 

 

Can you describe your LCD-3 mod?

post #1839 of 7936
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Originally Posted by Ahzari View Post

I felt very similarly in regards to the Signature Pro and the TH900, its a definite audio upgrade most noticeably in the soundstage / imaging and 'naturalness' of music and movies.. congrats on the new phones - hopefully it will cure your upgrade'itis for a while wink.gif

It did cure my upgrade'itis for the headphone until I notice that my amp color does not match the traditional "Urushi" lacquer. So I got a tube amp with glowing red fire at night to match the cherry color.wink.gif

post #1840 of 7936
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Originally Posted by musicman59 View Post

HMMM... to buy the TH900 or LCD-3???? confused_face_2.gif
Any comments?

My thoughts echo Skylab's on the LCD-3 thread to a "T" FWIW.
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Originally Posted by musicman59 View Post

Thanks for the information. I am not worry for amplification since I own a WA5-LE fully upgraded and a Dark Star. I also have the SR-009/727II combo.

Since I got the W3000ANV I don't listen to the D7000 and DX1000 so they are targeted for the For Sale forum soon. 

 

Can you describe your LCD-3 mod?

So you already have the "Stax-stack" I mentioned? I guess the grass is always greener on the other side biggrin.gif

 

Re: mod: It's a simple one, I was planning on posting a couple of pics for a while now, but in the LCD3 thread, plus some comments on the vegan pads, stay tuned...

post #1842 of 7936
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post


My thoughts echo Skylab's on the LCD-3 thread to a "T" FWIW.

Thanks Peter.

post #1843 of 7936
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Originally Posted by musicman59 View Post

Thanks Peter.

I think it only fair I return the favour and get you to drop some $ as you're partly responsible for me picking up the SR009s. tongue.gif
post #1844 of 7936
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Originally Posted by musicman59 View Post

Thanks for the information. I am not worry for amplification since I own a WA5-LE fully upgraded and a Dark Star. I also have the SR-009/727II combo.

Since I got the W3000ANV I don't listen to the D7000 and DX1000 so they are targeted for the For Sale forum soon. 

 

Can you describe your LCD-3 mod?

 

Interesting, Out of curiosity, what are you looking for in your next pair of phones? I have the SR-009/727A combo myself and for myself, I wanted a closed for the next pair, as such my TH900 purchase. If you did go for the Audeze models, you'd have 2xopen headphones.

post #1845 of 7936
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Originally Posted by TheGrumpyOldMan View Post

Quote:

You can read some of my comments here, mostly comparing it to the W3000ANV (thus in that thread) but also mentions the LCD-3. The TH900 is nice by itself, but very colored in comparison to the LCD-3 which has almost flat response across the spectrum in comparison. Graphs are available and while they don't tell the whole story, I think they are clearly representative of what can be heard.
 

So based on your past listening preferences, that should be a fairly clear choice to make. They are both very good in their own way but certainly quite different in character. I'd considered this choice the most important deciding factor.

 

A practical consideration may be comfort (which IS important). The TH900 is the most comfortable headphone I have worn, on par with my ATH W5000. The LCD-3 is heavier but while relaxing in a chair, not such a big deal. My biggest gripe are the suction-cup leather pads. Their softness is great, but the suction effect was bad until I added a small mod, the single biggest improvement in comfort for me. Also, the leather is weird, supposedly real leather but somehow feels almost like pleather (?), nothing like Audio Technica's higher-end offerings... Actually, the TH900's "fake" leather made from eggshell membrane feels more "real" and comfortable.

 

One other consideration is amplification: the TH900 is easy to drive (even if some people put down some serious $$$ to get the "best" amplification for it), the LCD-3 on the other hand DOES require quite a bit of oomph and the differences are definitely audible. You can use it of course for the time being with what you have even if it is not up there, but you may have to consider putting some more money into amplification. From my experience, the differences for the TH900 are less critical (which I think is actually a big plus in its favour)

 

Personally, while I like the TH900, there no question for me that a properly amplified LCD-3 is the better choice. As a matter of fact, with my current tube set and recent DAC upgrade (which actually for once made a (slightly) audible difference) I cannot think of any improvement other than -maybe- a super-expensive Stax-stack (that I would not be able to afford any time soon...)

 

Some well thought out points.  Your speaking from solid first hand experience which makes these factors you listed that much more valid.  I might add one consideration (cant comment on sound)  and that would be has Audeze gotten the whole

veiled / unveiled / driver mismatch / driver failure issue under control?  I beleive they have, food for thought none the less.  If I was to go the LCD-3 route, I would make sure that they were the most recently produced batch.


Edited by Mortalcoil - 9/13/12 at 9:30pm
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