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post #46 of 67
2/17/12 at 2:24am
Can someone tell me where our range of hearing on average begins/ends on the HEADROOM graphs? I assume it ends for us at 10,000 so everything above is inaudible... but please enlighten me.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 2/17/12 at 2:26am
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post #47 of 67
2/17/12 at 2:40am

20hz-20khz is the accepted human range, though generally anything past 15khz you can count on not hearing much. There's sites to check your range online, but that typically just tests the capability of your equipment more than the person, lol.

 

Also, I would pretty much ignore those graphs IMO. If ear pads make a difference in sound, imagine how each persons different ear shape and size affects it.

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post #48 of 67
2/17/12 at 2:43am
Well, no, i KNOW our range in standard terms, but the headroom graphs show only up to 10,000hz... so it just confuses me. I can hear at or past 20khz myself... tried it with those annoying ringtones that supposedly only young kids and adults in their early 20's can hear. It grates on me, even at the tender age of 29. wink.gif
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post #49 of 67
2/17/12 at 2:57am
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Well, no, i KNOW our range in standard terms, but the headroom graphs show only up to 10,000hz...


The HeadRoom graphs have an upper limit of ~24 kHz, the last vertical line on the graph is at 20 kHz. But the high frequency part of the response is very HRTF dependent, and the graphs are usually not particularly reliable there.

 


Edited by stv014 - 2/17/12 at 3:00am
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post #50 of 67
2/17/12 at 3:14am
Thanks for the help. I'm not all that into the graphs anyways. They don't really show ways of identifying a headphone's warmth/brightness. I find the K701 bright, and the Q701 a tad bit warmer... graphs show them to be quite similar... if not the same (innerfidelity), which I sure as hell don't agree with, as they didn't sound alike to me at all in terms of brightness/warmth.
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post #51 of 67
2/17/12 at 3:36am
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Thanks for the help. I'm not all that into the graphs anyways. They don't really show ways of identifying a headphone's warmth/brightness. I find the K701 bright, and the Q701 a tad bit warmer... graphs show them to be quite similar... if not the same (innerfidelity), which I sure as hell don't agree with, as they didn't sound alike to me at all in terms of brightness/warmth.


You're right, graphs show only a part of the story...graphs does not show sound stage, depth, and resolution of the hps.

 

In the headroom graphs you can still see the Q701 is a bit warmer,  is mot my much but 3-to-5 dbs is still audible.

 

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post #52 of 67
2/17/12 at 3:39am
In any case, the difference was enough to make me NOT like the K701, and love the Q701... o_O

There was no mistaking my dislike for the K701 and music, whereas the Q701 was love at first listen, and I'm not even a fan of neutral cans for music, so imagine my surprise. The only other neutral-ish can that I love is the DT880.
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post #53 of 67
2/21/12 at 12:40am
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In any case, the difference was enough to make me NOT like the K701, and love the Q701... o_O
There was no mistaking my dislike for the K701 and music, whereas the Q701 was love at first listen, and I'm not even a fan of neutral cans for music, so imagine my surprise. The only other neutral-ish can that I love is the DT880.


This happened to some members with the K701> K702, and now with the Q series looks like the differences are even bigger.

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post #54 of 67
2/21/12 at 2:47am

After a  short period of hiatus from headphones, i am back since i am addicted to them :) Anyway i have had the T1 for over 2 weeks and recently purchased the Q701. The T1s have around 80-100 hrs where as the Q701 probably has 10 hours or burn in. I am quite accustomed to the T1 sound signature since i have been using them for around 2 weeks. My initial comparisons are as follows but have to allow the Q701 to burn in to make any final conclusions,

 

- The mids (especially vocals) on the Q701 are a bit more forward.  

- Bass impact is more on the T1. I guess the T1 benefits from the semi closure. The T1 trumps the Q701 easily on bass rich tracks.

- For pop vocals, i am a fan of Laura Pausini. In some of her more recent albums, i find the vocals a bit simbliant on the T1s. However the Q701 doesnt suffer and i didnt notice the simbliance on my speakers either(Arcam Rcube). Not sure if this is a recording flaw and the T1s are more revealing but the Q701 is less bothersome to listen to.

- Switching from the Q701 to the T1, it is quite obvious that the T1s have a very cleaner and darker sound. Now this sound to my ears gets too boring at times. For example when listening to songs by Katherine Jenkins, i prefer the Q701 because when she suddenly hits the high notes, the Q701 comes alive but there is no such feeling with the T1s and i end up increasing the volume to get more feel of it.

- In hand, the T1s feel far sturdy and built using better materials. However on the head, the Q701 are more comfortable and since my listening time is mostly limited to 30-45 mins (small attempts to protect my hearing :)), i dont feel the pain caused by headband bumps on the Q701. I am very small person with a small head but i find the clamping force of the T1s a bit too strong.

 

Now have to wait for the Q701 to be burnt in and see if any of my impressions change :) 

 

 

 

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post #55 of 67
2/22/12 at 4:34am
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The Q, as the K701/2 will need a minimum of 80 hours of burn in to show some audible differences, 120-150 will be the second stage of the burn in (for me it was). As well a good cable for the Q will prove the sound a bit, here is more info: http://www.head-fi.org/t/378255/akg-k702-build-your-own-cable

 

Please keep us informed. k701smile.gif

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post #56 of 67
3/5/12 at 4:35am
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I just find out that the K-550 graph looks almost the same as the T-1, and even better with a minus of 2.5-to-3db on the lower mids area. Now the lets see if the 550 pads will fit the K702.

 

graphCompare.png

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post #57 of 67
3/10/12 at 2:28am

yes it really seems very similar in terms of frequency response but I am shure there are drastic sound differences

every headphone has his own sound signature thats includes response velocity thd at different levels and headphone impedance behaviur versus frequency

the mechanical construction will give a whole  different sound but it will be nice in any case to do thiis comparition

 

 

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post #58 of 67
3/10/12 at 3:00am
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yes it really seems very similar in terms of frequency response but I am shure there are drastic sound differences

every headphone has his own sound signature thats includes response velocity thd at different levels and headphone impedance behaviur versus frequency

the mechanical construction will give a whole  different sound but it will be nice in any case to do thiis comparition

 

 


 

You're right, they probably won't sounds the same because the 550 are close hps design with a different drivers and cups. But still this will be interesting comparison.
 

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post #59 of 67
3/22/12 at 7:31am

That would be interesting to see. They do look like they would fit, lets hope that locking mechanism is similar/same as with akg k70x series ?

 

Changing pads on headphone is very interesting and would be equivalent of changing the room (acoustics) with speakers but in much more easier way. I have tried swapping the k601/702 pads and prefered much the k702 pads because they gave depth and resolution while showing limitation of the k601. 

 

By the way, liked your review, plain and simple as it should be. 

 

 

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 Now the lets see if the 550 pads will fit the K702.

 


Edited by loopfreak - 3/22/12 at 7:33am
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post #60 of 67
3/22/12 at 8:10am
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That would be interesting to see. They do look like they would fit, lets hope that locking mechanism is similar/same as with akg k70x series ?

 

Changing pads on headphone is very interesting and would be equivalent of changing the room (acoustics) with speakers but in much more easier way. I have tried swapping the k601/702 pads and prefered much the k702 pads because they gave depth and resolution while showing limitation of the k601. 

 

By the way, liked your review, plain and simple as it should be. 

 

 

 




Thanks loopfreak, looks like the K550 size pads are the same as the 601/70X, but the locking mechanism looks a bit different. There is option to copy the K70X locking mechanism to a paper and then to cut a new one out of a plastic sheets and then lap or glue the K550 pads... and you're right swapping the pads will probably change the sounds, I just curious to know how.


Edited by Acix - 3/22/12 at 8:12am
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